So what exactly is going on in Canada?

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A lot of people on the right are calling the lockdowns the biggest transfer of wealth from the working class to the ultra rich in US history. Although I can't understand why they'd be mad about that other than being disappointed they didn't think of it themselves, since that's typically a Republican goal.

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Guess an American gofundme was shutdown.
This is another shady thing. The gofundme was shut down at the request of the Canadian government, under the claim this wasn't a protest but an insurrection, which is already overreaching bullshit of outlandish proportions. But then gofundme announced they weren't even going to return the donations, and were instead going to redistribute them to random "worthy causes" of their choice (they don't want to give up their cut of each donation). After that, there's been a bunch of legal wrangling and some judge somewhere has ruled they can't do that. I think the compromise reached is that people can request their donation back, but they only have 2 weeks to do so, after which gofundme keeps the money.

On a side note, I don't believe it was an "American" gofundme, beyond the fact that gofundme is an American company. I'd heard the donators were largely Canadian, although who knows.
 

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April 2020 baby!

Yeah, back then, I had no idea that following the science would eventually loop around and lead me back to the spot you were already occupying. Oh well.
 

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Maybe I'm reading the stats wrong, but it seems like Florida, which hasn't shut down their economy, has about the same rate of covid deaths as California
I think you might be. I'm seeing 309 deaths/100k in Fla vs. 207 deaths/100k in California.

(Of course, there are factors at play aside from restrictions. The median age in California is about four or five years younger than the median age in Florida, the obesity rate in California is slightly higher than the rate in Florida, etc.)

As silly as some of the restrictions are, Trudeau seems to be more in step with the sentiment of the country than the truckers are, and I don't think that the protests will "work" in the sense of changing that.
 
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Over the past 365 days, Florida has racked up 36508 deaths.
Over the past 365 days, California has racked up 35631 deaths.

-This comes out to twice as many per capita deaths.
 

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It's about a bunch of stuff. It's about not wanting to have to quarantine 14 days every time they go back across the border, which obviously, no working trucker can afford to do. Reportedly, something like 90% of the truckers are fully vaccinated anyway, so that's not all it's about. That's what the mainstream media is trying to make it appear to be about to make the protest look silly.

On the subject of silly, one of the mandates they are protesting says they must be masked while driving alone in their trucks (in Canada). Clearly that's not based on any kind of science. It's hard to guess what even the intent of something like that is.
I could be reading the official document wrong, but they only have to quarantine if they have A - are untested but have symptoms or B - test positive and are symptomatic or asymptomatic. Only non-Canadians can be turned back at the border.

Where did you hear about having to be masked while driving alone in their trucks? They have to wear masks while crossing the border, which involves more than just driving over an imaginary line.

This is another shady thing. The gofundme was shut down at the request of the Canadian government, under the claim this wasn't a protest but an insurrection, which is already overreaching bullshit of outlandish proportions. But then gofundme announced they weren't even going to return the donations, and were instead going to redistribute them to random "worthy causes" of their choice (they don't want to give up their cut of each donation). After that, there's been a bunch of legal wrangling and some judge somewhere has ruled they can't do that. I think the compromise reached is that people can request their donation back, but they only have 2 weeks to do so, after which gofundme keeps the money.

On a side note, I don't believe it was an "American" gofundme, beyond the fact that gofundme is an American company. I'd heard the donators were largely Canadian, although who knows.
This isn't even close to accurate. GoFundMe said they would refund anyone who asked and donate the remainder to charities chosen by the Freedom Convoy. They never claimed to kill the fundraiser because of "insurrection." They killed it because of law enforcement's reports of violence at the convoy.
 

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This isn't even close to accurate. GoFundMe said they would refund anyone who asked and donate the remainder to charities chosen by the Freedom Convoy.
No, that's not what was originally decided. If it had been, the courts wouldn't have gotten involved. That may be the solution they've settled on now.

As for the rest, who knows? I'm hearing tiny contradicting pieces from all over, so it's more or less impossible to measure and adjust for various biases in all directions. I'm definitely can't claim any authority. But I do think it's telling that the list of things the truckers are actually protesting is kind of under and nebuloulsy reported.
 

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No, that's not what was originally decided. If it had been, the courts wouldn't have gotten involved. That may be the solution they've settled on now.

As for the rest, who knows? I'm hearing tiny contradicting pieces from all over, so it's more or less impossible to measure and adjust for various biases in all directions. I'm definitely can't claim any authority. But I do think it's telling that the list of things the truckers are actually protesting is kind of under and nebuloulsy reported.
The problem that has led to court involvement is that funds are, bottom line, being withheld from the Freedom Rally, whether that's through refunds or distribution to other charities. It's not because GoFundMe chose to distribute the funds to their own choices of charities – a proposition that was never stated. I'm open to being wrong, but I've read every press release they've put out.
 

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The problem that has led to court involvement is that funds are, bottom line, being withheld from the Freedom Rally,
I'm sorry I wasn't clear, but that's also what I was originally saying.
 

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They have to wear masks while crossing the border, which involves more than just driving over an imaginary line.
I only just stopped putting on my mask when in the drivethrough.
 

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these two years were an eye opener to anyone that still thought Humans were "intelligent lifeforms", lmbo.
 
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April 2020 baby!

Go and give post #771 a like or a laughing face or something.

edit: CORY, sylvie mao bless
 
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I believe that it mostly just snows, year round, in Canada, and Sasquatches are always trying to steal your beef jerky. Except for Quebec, a bunch of frilly French stuff goes on there...
 

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Which is why it is working.

Awesome, numerous plants have been idled in both Canada and the US.
Ten of thousands furloughed.

There's people out there sabotaging shit so they can chant let go Brandon.
 

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Awesome, numerous plants have been idled in both Canada and the US.
Ten of thousands furloughed.

There's people out there sabotaging shit so they can chant let go Brandon.

They could always rescind the mandates right?
 

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When it's protested they complain oh you shouldn't have interrupt my entertainment and made me reflect on something uncomfortable for a split second. I don't believe I'm as affected as you so I don't believe you should be protesting. Protesting is a protected right and a duty for a patriot who feels strongly about an issue. So this fails as well.

 

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Awesome, numerous plants have been idled in both Canada and the US.
Ten of thousands furloughed.
Tens of thousands?

Where is your outrage for the HUNDREDS of thousands furloughed by the lockdowns? It's hilarious that now you care about attacks against the economy and the working class. When you've been told it's time to be outraged by legacy media.
 

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Tens of thousands?

Where is your outrage for the HUNDREDS of thousands furloughed by the lockdowns? It's hilarious that now you care about attacks against the economy and the working class. When you've been told it's time to be outraged by legacy media.

Alright wasabi, you can admit you gave STK's password to wyo now.
 

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Wow an old post from a couple years ago. That's kind of scary. Guess words really do matter.

Sorry I'm not as supportive of people who feel it's their freedom to spread a virus as people who get pulled over for a "random" traffic stop and wind up dead.
They have a right to protest as do Nazi's. They need to do it lawfully and they've made their point. No need to bring down civilization with you.
 
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