SNKP Gives Official Response to Cardfighters Glitch.

[Big Bruno]

Am I being emotional? I think not. This is just brutal honesty, and I have high standards.

Bobak I'm glad we are not dating. Alas, I am afraid I could never make you happy

In regards to the recall. It servers my self interests. I can usally only finish one card battle during my mourning relief anyway so by the time I hit the bug it will be time for the send back. I could careless about everyone else :P

 

[Hikaru Ichijyo]

While the launching of a broken product is pretty pathetic on SNKP's part, I'm glad to know I'll be able to get a replacement.

What the heck is up with all these buggy games coming out lately? Bubble Bobble Revolution, CFC DS, and I just heard that Puzzle Quest on PSP has a nasty bug as well.

 

[hanafuda]

What?! Where? How do you find out much games sell?

?

media create, famitsu, vgcharts, etc

 

[Deuce]

2) Mention 1 screw up that compares to not bringing the next King of Fighters to a home system in the US., or as releasing a game that CAN'T be finished because of an unavoideable bug. C'mon, I'm waiting.

KOF96 and 97 never came out on a home console here. And realistically, no, the Neo does not count in that regard. XI wound up in the unenviable position of being a 2D game on a platform whose American branch is ridiculously uptight about 2D games, and the only other alternative (the Xbox) was/is all but dead.

If we bith so much, why are you here??? Go and screw with Alba Meira in SNKPs boards, for all I care. Maybe those type of SNK fans will please your... "tastes".

I only came back here to announce the SSRPG translation, primarily. Should likely have known better than to stray from that particular thread. What have you contributed to the community at large, sir?

 

[aria]

Be that as it may, I must note that you neglect to comment on any of the actual points I made (since I don't actually disagree that they screwed up). Whatever you may do as your day job, and whatever your status may be here, that particular debate tactic is most commonly the sole province of a troll.

Okay.... you really want me to go point by point through your previous post? That's no problem:

My point is simply that it's tiresome. KOFXI was and is an excellent game, and a damn fine addition to the series. NGBC is plenty of fun, Tenka is shockingly solid and enjoyable (in spite of an appallingly bad soundtrack), and KOFMI2/2006 is a very well-built 3D fighter (if not the deepest in the world)... I can't speak of/about Metal Slug 6, as I haven't played it, and I'm not a fan of the series in the first place.

Excuse me, but yawn... I got tired of the same KOF over and over and over again. I got into the Neo because of King of the Monsters, not Fighters. MS is a nice series, but this has become a two or three-trick pony.

The air I constantly see projected here is one of elitist nostalgia, as if the SNK of old could do no wrong. Forgive me for saying so, but I've been an SNK fan since before the MVS, and I recall a few massive fuckups on their part. I love some of their games, like SS3, in spite of their flaws, but I admit that they are flawed.

The SNK of old had a history of fuck ups. In fact, you're mistaken to assume anyone, anyone here has some perception otherwise. They did, however, have a desire to at least try a variety of games --and a number of those weren't even by SNK (e.g. MD3). However, once the old SNK died a whimpering death and was replaced by SNK-P, a company that only underlined the problems of the previous company with less innovation and more incompetence.

By and large, it seems to boil down almost completely to "I hate and fear change." People bitch about the compilations because, apparently, they don't like other people getting to play the games they spent so much money on for a comparative pittance. It's stupid. I know the elitist Neo*Freak mentality. I used to have it. Then I grew up. I still have my Neo(s)... and Hyper(s)... and Pocket(just the one). I just decided to drop the attitude that seemed to come with the obsession.

Okay, here's why I didn't bother answering every point you made --points like this above section show you don't really know what the people on this forum are like.

I mean, where to begin?

• We "hate change"? The whole point of this fiasco is that SNK seems so resistant to change, so resistant to putting anyone of quality off of its KOF series, that it has turned out crap recently. I mean, a broken card game and a game about touching witches in sexually awkward situations? When SNK actually meant a damn it was turning out games like Ikari Warriors, Guerrilla War, Crystalis, Super Sidekicks, and much more.
• It's not about "inferior ports" --that's been a joke forever and a day. While Takara did a really abysmal run of ports, the point isn't that these games are getting ported to the new systems --it's that it seems that's all SNK is really up to doing for the majority of its business --or rehashing the KOF series over and over and over and over...
• So we're all elitists like you used to be, huh? Well, Mr. "I think I'm above everyone else", you might be surprised that this community is split quite evenly between those who are collectors, those who are snobby collectors and those who are gamers. What makes this forum different than the others is that we put up with a variety of different views when other forums simply stamp them out (SNK's own forums are apparently included).
• And calling us "Neo Freaks"? Since you clearly don't know the weight that phrase carries, or the mess that it represents within the internet-wide Neo Geo community, I find it odd that you decided to start on your little spree of broad generalizations. And if you were a Neo Freak, then you have our pity.
• I could write more, but this would start to become harsh.

I know my words are falling on deaf ears, so to speak, but there's so much collective whining that goes on here, you'd almost think it was a Final Fantasy discussion board. Is this community one of system owners, or game players?

Maybe you should've done some more background work before you decide to rail on a group of people you haven't quite come to understand?

But do you want to know why I thought it was a waste of time to go through your initial post point-by-point? Because it simply pushes aside the central issue here and brings up irrelevant and often inaccurate statements.

So now that we've gone through your tirade about our forum, let's hear someone accusing us of being "bad sports" actually address the real problem:

The QA department of a company failed, it released a broken product that cannot be fixed by anything short of a recall of defective units. Management is at fault, and in any major company --heads would roll.

 

[Lovergoat]

Are there any DS devs here who have known of bugs rearing their heads after a cart is manufactured and running on a retail machine? But never appearing on dev/test kits?

Just playing devils advocate like

 

[aria]

This is a paragraph I want to go through:

SNKP has some exceedingly large shoes to fill. Yeah, they have fucked up. What game company hasn't?

All companies make mistakes --this one was a particularly bad one. A game that did work in Japan gets ported over here and doesn't work. How often has this happened?

How come when Sega releases 15 shitty Sonic games in a row, nobody comes down on them hard like they do with SNKP?

Shitty or not, they at least worked. And in their case they had the good will of the series origin to bring good will through. This was an attempt to bring a lesser known series into the mainstream. Yikes.

Besides: There's a big difference between blaming uninspired game designers (where good people are artists and hard to find) and having a localization SNAFU that breaks a game (something that should require basic, non-thinking plug-n-chug engineering).

An uncreative game designer is someone who you can't automatically blame on the management structure; a broken QA system can be and is across a wide swatch of industries. I don't like cutting game industries slack because they make kiddie video games (which is the attitude that permits them these kinds of mess-ups); while this isn't as severe as a tire company having a QA mess-up, it's pretty bad (and is going to cost SNK a lot of money to fix anyway).

Nintendo had a rough ass stretch a while back. But now, they're back on top of their game. I stuck with them through the tough times with trust that they would come out of it and reward my patience with excellent products and they have.

The Big N didn't disappear and then reemerge as a sort of bastard-cousin of its original self. I still don't recall Mario Sunshine having a game-breaking bug...

This is a board dedicated to Neo Geo, isn't there anybody else who has the same hope in SNK?

That's actually hitting the nail on the head: this is a board of people who are (generally) passionate about the Neo Geo. When it comes to SNK, we're far less passionate. On this issue, I can only speak for myself.

 

[Deuce]

The SNK of old had a history of fuck ups. In fact, you're mistaken to assume anyone, anyone here has some perception otherwise.

I am simply pointing out the impression that those who rail against SNKP are giving off. Would you deny that the overwhelming attitude is not an embittered one of longing for the "good old days" of SNK? Perhaps seeing the past through slightly rose-colored glasses? I recall the days of the Neo mailing list, the Brawl FTP site and all that... much bitching all around about how SNK was going down the tubes every single year.

As for SNKP's more "questionable" ventures, like the odd touching game thing... well, that's their lookout. They are, when one gets right down to it, a corporate entity, just like every other company in the world. They have to make money, and if they need potboiler projects to keep profits up while they work on larger games, then so be it.

As for the old attitude... eh. If you claim it's not still around, then bully for you. I don't see any signs of it having diminished, though.

The QA department of a company failed, it released a broken product that cannot be fixed by anything short of a recall of defective units. Management is at fault, and in any major company --heads would roll.

And again, I'm not disputing that fact. Yes, they fucked up. But in the realm of console titles, where bug-laden games can come out and never be touched again by the developers, at least SNKP is owning up to the mistake. Yes, it's a bit of closing the barn door after the horses have gotten out, but at least they're doing something.

Okay, this is distracting me from translating. Off to deal with catgirl types. Hey, and then folks can have another old SNK game to pick apart. Spiffy.

 

[ForeverSublime]

Well, thats a coding problem too.

Nope, the code wasn't the problem. Smarty smart smart pants junior shabadoo.

(I just have to continue the trend in this thread of having the last word :yawn: )

 

[Cernex]

I only came back here to announce the SSRPG translation, primarily. Should likely have known better than to stray from that particular thread. What have you contributed to the community at large, sir?

"Sir", I couldn't care any less about what are you doing or announcing. Hell, you could be making AOF 4 for all money's worth, and that wouldn't change the fact you're bitching about the Neo Geo community for all the wrong reasons.

And, just like Bobak said, the fact you called us "Neo Freaks" really points out how limited your knowledge is about us and this forum in general.

You're just somebody who read some posts, got "pissed", and started to talk its ass out. Too bad for you we don't like THAT.

So, I said it once, I'll say it again: You don't like us? Go somewere else.

El Cernex

 

[GeoStigma]

"Sir", I couldn't care any less about what are you doing or announcing. Hell, you could be making AOF 4 for all money's worth, and that wouldn't change the fact you're bitching about the Neo Geo community for all the wrong reasons.

And, just like Bobak said, the fact you called us "Neo Freaks" really points out how limited your knowledge is about us and this forum in general.

You're just somebody who read some posts, got "pissed", and started to talk its ass out. Too bad for you we don't like THAT.

So, I said it once, I'll say it again: You don't like us? Go somewere else.

El Cernex

God, just shut up.

 

[kernow]

Nope, the code wasn't the problem. Smarty smart smart pants junior shabadoo.

(I just have to continue the trend in this thread of having the last word :yawn: )

Of course the code was the problem.

 

[caleb1883]

I have to agree with Bobak on a lot of this stuff. You can't let SNKPUSA off the hook on this. No cutting them slack. If they don't have enough money to make good games, they could cut salaries on the top end, or sell the company. Whatever you think about SNKP, the bottom line is on this game the localization process bugged the game, which puts the blame squarely on SNKPUSA. If you bought the product like me, you were shortchanged, and their replacement is the least they could do. You love SNKP so much, why don't you marry them.

 

[Ajax]

I have to agree with Bobak on a lot of this stuff. You can't let SNKPUSA off the hook on this. No cutting them slack. If they don't have enough money to make good games, they could cut salaries on the top end, or sell the company. Whatever you think about SNKP, the bottom line is on this game the localization process bugged the game, which puts the blame squarely on SNKPUSA. If you bought the product like me, you were shortchanged, and their replacement is the least they could do. You love SNKP so much, why don't you marry them.

I agree that it was a huge mistake. Perhaps my post was too lenient on them...

King of Fighters XI... Neo Geo Battle Coliseum... Check 'em out. Two of the most polished, flat out fun to play games in SNK's library, Playmore involved or otherwise.

Your suggestions are a lolfest... Sell the company? So the talent can be broken up even more? You think cutting salaries at the top end is gonna stay at the top end? Fuck no. Even the janitor who did the voices for Cyber Lip and Nam 1975 will feel that shit.

 

[Deuce]

And, just like Bobak said, the fact you called us "Neo Freaks" really points out how limited your knowledge is about us and this forum in general.

Pardon me for not keeping up with which slurs are en vogue. Last I bothered looking, the term still carried some portion of its meaning from the old magazine title. I'm guessing it's now inextricably tied to Dion and his "exploits" or whatnot. Whatever. A word is a word, and has only the power one chooses to give it.

Doesn't change the fact that there's invariably an SNKP hatefest going on here, in spite of the fact that they've put out some very good games.

 

[aria]

Doesn't change the fact that there's invariably an SNKP hatefest going on here, in spite of the fact that they've put out some very good games.

"Hatefest"?

We're blaming a serious programing error on QA and management oversight. We're connecting this error to business practices that have been disappointing.

If that's a hate fest, then investing in publicly traded companies is a hate fest. Running a company is a hate fest. We're all hate fest! [highlight]ATTICA![/highlight]

 

[Jedah Doma]

Pardon me for not keeping up with which slurs are en vogue. Last I bothered looking, the term still carried some portion of its meaning from the old magazine title. I'm guessing it's now inextricably tied to Dion and his "exploits" or whatnot. Whatever. A word is a word, and has only the power one chooses to give it.

Doesn't change the fact that there's invariably an SNKP hatefest going on here, in spite of the fact that they've put out some very good games.

Again, this post is yet another example of how ignorant you are about the board in general. There are countless posts from people who enjoy games like Metal Slug 6, Samurai Showndown Tenka, King of Fighters 2006, and many others. I myself enjoy some of the newer SNKP titles. To say we have a "hatefest" is laughable at best.

You ever heard the phrase "With great power comes great responsibility"? Sure, it's a cheesy line that's been used in the Spiderman movies over and over, but in this instance, it has some meaning. For the members here, SNK means something more then just a game company. Here is a company that survived in the 16-bit era for 14 years and created countless characters and stories. Even after the death of SNK, they came back. They have a responsibility to thier fanbase. Not just because we are fans, but because without us, they woulds cease to exist. They owe that responsibility to us as fans. So to release a game without putting the appropriate time or care into is inexcusable. They had that power, yet they refused to use it properly.

Am I boycotting SNKP, no. But I expect better. I expect better from a company that prides itself as an underdog in the industry and continues to put out 2-D games while most, if not all, companies have transitioned into full 3-D for all games. You, on the other hand, would paint us as a group of bandits just waiting to take a shot at SNK. Please, don't insult my intelligence or the others on the board with this when the real issue is SNKP's inability to release a game on the top selling video game platform in 2007 without a bug. So not only have they messed up for us, but for themselves. What does it say of a company who can't realize the importance of such a release and give it the proper treatment.

No more excuses or trying to shine the blame on us. SNK screwed up.

 

[caleb1883]

I agree that it was a huge mistake. Perhaps my post was too lenient on them...

King of Fighters XI... Neo Geo Battle Coliseum... Check 'em out. Two of the most polished, flat out fun to play games in SNK's library, Playmore involved or otherwise.

Your suggestions are a lolfest... Sell the company? So the talent can be broken up even more? You think cutting salaries at the top end is gonna stay at the top end? Fuck no. Even the janitor who did the voices for Cyber Lip and Nam 1975 will feel that shit.

I actually love both those games. I for one though, don't think importing is so bad. I kind of don't mind that these games aren't released here, I just wish you could play them online despite their region like the japanese DS wi-fi games. I for one, think selling the company though, to a larger one would be the best move IF, the existing talent was not broken up, and the larger company simply let the talent operate as they normally do with a bigger budget and better management. Or they should just give the company to me. I try not to take this stuff too seriously though, because it's just games. But, when I pay money for something, and it's broken, I get upset. Not really pissed, but more dissapointed. And I think the problems most people have with SNKP result from dissapointment stemming from the lack of realized potential in their games. Which I think is totally understandable. But if you all love games so much, why don't you marry them?

 

[Deuce]

"Hatefest"?

We're blaming a serious programing error on QA and management oversight. We're connecting this error to business practices that have been disappointing.

And somehow, the fact that I'm not referring to CFC DS and have never tried to claim that they did not screw up that particular product continues to elude you.

I will reiterate, however, that if the reports are true that the bug only happens on a production cartridge on production hardware (not on dev kits, not on game copiers being used to play the game, none of that), then there's more to it than a simple error on SNKP's part, because it's Nintendo that actually manufactures the carts.

As for the "hatefest" comment, I was not referring to this specific thread, nor this specific topic. It's a continual undercurrent that I see throughout the site. One doesn't have to dig deep to find someone sniping at SNKP for some reason or another. A spiteful comparison between games, a boycott-type comment, and so on. I don't get it. It makes about as much sense to me as old-fashioned system advocacy. It feels to me as if people are looking for reasons to complain. Which, I suppose, is their right. It just seems that all that energy could be put to better use elsewhere.

Speaking of energy, damn this Darvocet. Anyhow, now that I've slept the damn day away, I think I'll try tackling some more of Edo. Stupid speech timing.

 

[Jedah Doma]

And somehow, the fact that I'm not referring to CFC DS and have never tried to claim that they did not screw up that particular product continues to elude you.

I will reiterate, however, that if the reports are true that the bug only happens on a production cartridge on production hardware (not on dev kits, not on game copiers being used to play the game, none of that), then there's more to it than a simple error on SNKP's part, because it's Nintendo that actually manufactures the carts.

As for the "hatefest" comment, I was not referring to this specific thread, nor this specific topic. It's a continual undercurrent that I see throughout the site. One doesn't have to dig deep to find someone sniping at SNKP for some reason or another. A spiteful comparison between games, a boycott-type comment, and so on. I don't get it. It makes about as much sense to me as old-fashioned system advocacy. It feels to me as if people are looking for reasons to complain. Which, I suppose, is their right. It just seems that all that energy could be put to better use elsewhere.

Speaking of energy, damn this Darvocet. Anyhow, now that I've slept the damn day away, I think I'll try tackling some more of Edo. Stupid speech timing.

It's called having standards plain and simple. You don't and we do. No offense, but get off your high horse. We hold SNK up to the high standard they should be held up to. If you don't, then have fun wallowing in a pit of mediocrity.

Your arguement that EVERYONE on the boards bags on SNK all the times is laughable at best. It's a balance. Sometimes folks love them and sometimes they hate them, but for good reasons. We don't look for reasons to complain because they are all too apparent.

For someone who's been here much longer then myself, you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

 

[Deuce]

It's called having standards plain and simple. You don't and we do. No offense, but get off your high horse. We hold SNK up to the high standard they should be held up to. If you don't, then have fun wallowing in a pit of mediocrity.

You actually have the temerity to say I don't have standards, and in the same breath (metaphorically speaking), accuse me of acting superior? You're either not paying attention, an idiot, or simply a hypocrite. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the first option.

Your arguement that EVERYONE on the boards bags on SNK all the times is laughable at best.

You're right. In fact, I'd say it's perhaps worthy of a regimen of psychotropic treatment, since I never said that "everyone" made such comments.

 

[Jedah Doma]

You actually have the temerity to say I don't have standards, and in the same breath (metaphorically speaking), accuse me of acting superior? You're either not paying attention, an idiot, or simply a hypocrite. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the first option.


You're right. In fact, I'd say it's perhaps worthy of a regimen of psychotropic treatment, since I never said that "everyone" made such comments.

You can have no standards in video games while still being a pompous ass.

You said you saw this behavior throughout the boards.

Definition of throughout "From end to end or first to last"

So yea, that's everyone. Thanks for playing.

 

[not sonic]

i bet 90% of you motherfuckers complaining about the bug werent even going to / didnt buy the game.

im also pretty sure that everyone who still rags on snkp for sucking ass hasnt played ngbc or kofxi.

 

[Deuce]

So now you're resorting to semantic arguments in an attempt to prove yourself right. I retract my earlier statement; you are an idiot.

 

[Ajax]

To say we have a "hatefest" is laughable at best.

You say shit like "(Insert noun here) is (Insert adjective here) at best" waaaaay too much. Not an attack, just an observation.