SNK-P thinks it can set your morals (SSVS)... what do you think?

[Verythrax]

If you think that a bunch of letters will do something, you are on heavy drugs.

for emphasis.

 

[drone9]

Here is my 2 cents if any of you care. I think a universal petition and a letter would be good. Someone draft a universal letter that is first in English then translated into Japanese and have two copies (one English and one Japanese) sent off to both SNKP of Japan and SNKP of U.S. Then have an online petition as well and E-Mail the results to both companies. Think of each company getting one letter from each of us. And all it would take is a few of us, shelling out $.37 to mail to the U.S. and probably $1.50 (guess here) to Japan. And/or fax the letters as well. This might turn a few heads. But overall, I am not going to jump on this until I know for a fact that there is no code or something of that effect for the fatalities. I currently own the Japanese version of the game and was shocked that even this version had no fatalities (or at least the ones seen on the website). Also a print out and/or snapshot should be made of the website (with a date included) with the fatalities pictured. This should be sent along with the petition. The main fact this is bullshit (besides all the other reasons) is that if this had something to do with censorship, then why the blood and the less brutal fatalities? What is the difference between someone getting a head cut off as opposed to getting a sword rammed through there gut? Either way that is violence and shows death. Then again this is the only country that produces porn but censores it. That still pisses me off! This might not be a SNKP thing after all, it seems something much larger was involved. But I am waiting for more facts before I act. However, I am in 100% when an idea is becomes real. I really hate paying $359.00 for a game that isn't complete.

I'd support that even if I don't think it will change anything...
still, better to give it a try, than to simply give up.
if people would always remain silent how could
change for the good be accomplished?

 

[Orpheus]

This whole debacle with the fatalities is pathetic. It makes me kind of happy that this is the final release...or perhaps I should say the last chance P has to milk the neo and screw over thier fan base at the same time.

Bottom line:

- the final product did NOT reflect what was shown on P,s own official websites
(which were misleading). HOWEVER, there is a catch here. If you ever read the
fine print with videogames that are shown before they are released it says
that the product is still in developement and can (and probably wil) change by
the time of it's release. While P may try to use this line I believe the screens
that they showed was that of the MVS cart and all neo geo home carts contain
the same chips as the MVS cart.

- NEO GEO BRINGS THE ARCADE EXPERIENCE HOME: This has always been the
case. Home Cart+ MVS in fancier packaging, usually with MORE features. This
move of over censorship shoots this way of marketing in the ass and makes
the home cart nothing more than a half assed port. The arcade experince has
most definitely stayed in the arcades with SS5S.

- So whats the REAL diffierence: What is there that REALLY makes this
game "special". I see hardly any improvements from SS5 to warrant a sequel. Hell i even see that this installment is missing things that SS5 had. NO POPY! christ all mighty, there is no excuse for that. If anythung popy should have been left in and koruku (sp?) should have been put in as well as he is a SS staple.


Overall, This WAS the a great way to put a close to the neo. Unfortunately, P chose not just to add a nice slap in the face in there but a swift kick to the balls as well.

 

[Syxx573]

This wouldn't have happened if NGF handled the home cart release.

Sad, but true.

 

[Mike Shagohod]

This wouldn't have happened if NGF handled the home cart release.

Sad, but true.

Never bought an NGF product, but I strangely agree that THA BIG TYMERS wouldn't have let it stoop this low. If anything they'd have probably tried to add things that weren't in the game originally. It's times like this I wonder who the bigger criminals really are... SNKP or NGF?

MERCENARY X99

 

[Master(G)]

I'd support that even if I don't think it will change anything...
still, better to give it a try, than to simply give up.
if people would always remain silent how could
change for the good be accomplished?

about the petition.... where do i have to sign?

 

[Dampfwalze]

We should concentrate our voices through Shawn, who has good connections and is well known at SNK-Playmore (i hope so). If he doesn't want to talk to them, I don't see how we could reach them.
I 'm afraid that our complaints will end in the email trashcan if we send them angry and not bundled.

 

[NeoLord]

I don't know about everyone else, but I don't blame any of this on Shawn. I'm rightfully pissed at Playmore for butchering what should have been the best SS game since the release of SS 2.

I would be more than happy to sign any petitions that come my way, but I believe it will take more than a petition to change Playmore's ways.

 

[Chicago Cheeseburgler Crew]

I can't speak for the others, but I don't blame any of this on Shawn.

Agreed... if anything Shawn "picked the smallest straw." He's got many SSVS's to move, and now in light of this situation much of the Neo fanbase is turned off to the game. SNKP has fucked us all over -- Shawn included.

 

[Verythrax]

I don't know about everyone else, but I don't blame any of this on Shawn. I'm rightfully pissed at Playmore for butchering what should have been the best SS game since the release of SS 3.

Fixed for you.

 

[Verythrax]

Agreed... if anything Shawn "picked the smallest straw." He's got many SSVS's to move, and now in light of this situation much of the Neo fanbase is turned off to the game. SNKP has fucked us all over -- Shawn included.

I agree, but it's just a matter of procedures here. If the item you bought is faulty, you must ask for a refund to the store where you bought it. The store, since the fault is from the manufacturer, must send back the items to the the manufacturer, and got refund.

Just like a malfunction cart.

 

[NeoLord]

Fixed for you.

Yes, good call on the edit! SS3 is an excellent game.

 

[Chicago Cheeseburgler Crew]

I agree, but it's just a matter of procedures here. If the item you bought is faulty, you must ask for a refund to the store where you bought it. The store, since the fault is from the manufacturer, must send back the items to the the manufacturer, and got refund.

Just like a malfunction cart.

That's the problem... it's not a matter of the cart malfuntioning. It works exactly how SNKP intended to work. They offered no guarantee as to the gameplay specifics regarding the homecart that wasn't present upon release. They simply purposely misled us.

 

[Verythrax]

That's the problem... it's not a matter of the cart malfuntioning. It works exactly how SNKP intended to work. They offered no guarantee as to the gameplay specifics regarding the homecart that wasn't present upon release. They simply purposely misled us.

Exactly, but is fake advertising. You all have the right to a refund - but the normal way to get the refund is through the store where you bought it.

 

[Chicago Cheeseburgler Crew]

Exactly, but is fake advertising. You all have the right to a refund - but the normal way to get the refund is through the store where you bought it.

It's not false advertising because they offered no concrete guarantee that the fatalities would be included in the home cart release... to my knowledge. They explicitly stated that the release was subject to change.

 

[Verythrax]

It's not false advertising because they offered no concrete guarantee that the fatalities would be included in the home cart release... to my knowledge. They explicitly stated that the release was subject to change.

No disclaimer can be found at the site saying that the final product would be subject to change.

 

[Chicago Cheeseburgler Crew]

No disclaimer can be found at the site saying that the final product would be subject to change.

SNKP whispered it into my ear as they were porking me, and every other Neo Geo fan, in the ass.

I told you it was explicit.

 

[Verythrax]

SNKP whispered it into my ear as they were porking me, and every other Neo Geo fan, in the ass.

I told you it was explicit.

Wow.

I'm felling hot all sudden... I wonder why.

 

[aria]

Now you're all hallucinating:

This wouldn't have happened if NGF handled the home cart release.

This is better, but still troubling:

Never bought an NGF product, but I strangely agree that THA BIG TYMERS wouldn't have let it stoop this low. If anything they'd have probably tried to add things that weren't in the game originally. It's times like this I wonder who the bigger criminals really are... SNKP or NGF?

Seriously, people

In addition to screwing with the inserts, NGF would've sold the games as is with a spectacular mark up as the "final Neo Game, own a piece of history" or some BS like that.

Do any of you actually remember how they handled KOF2k?

They raised the price several times as quantities shrank?

Seriously people, I will not sit back and let people rewrite history for those morons.

 

[Chicago Cheeseburgler Crew]

In addition to screwing with the inserts, NGF would've sold the games as is with a spectacular mark up as the "final Neo Game, own a piece of history" or some BS like that.

Do any of you actually remember how they handled KOF2k?

They raised the price several times as quantities shrank?

Seriously people, I will not sit back and let people rewrite history for those morons.

I will not let YOU rewrite history, Bobak! What I find to be the most troubling is your denial that it would have had a super cool NGF sticker if the Big Tymers had handled it.

 

[Big Bruno]

In addition to screwing with the inserts, NGF would've sold the games as is with a spectacular mark up as the "final Neo Game, own a piece of history" or some BS like that.

If they handled it, it would have never been released Period. They also burned that bridge as well with the fans and SNKP. Besides they could not handle a release look at Zupapa.

I am waiting to hear what will happen, I also talked with Trey as well and he is going to hold off. A bios fix is not the answer for me but alas may be the only hope for most. that is if it is even able to be fixed via Bios.

I think they are already aware of our displeasure, how can they not be. Although it may feel good to Fax/mail them something i do not feel like support the Japanese recyceling program at the moment.

 

[ferrarimanf355]

Perhaps some people should form an anti-video game censorship group? I haven't updated my sister site in ages and am thinking of making a new site dedicated to standing up against issues like these.

Well, in that case, I shall remind you that gamecritics.com forum member Mr. Blond is a practical encyclopedia on video game censorship issues. He should be the first guy you consult.
In related news, an anti-video game law in Washington State that tried to regulate games that involved bodily harm/murder of police officers was declared unconstitutional today. Just trying to add some light at the end of the tunnel that we call teh legendary drama.
EDIT: I found a PDF file of District Judge Robert Lasnik's judgment on the anti-video game law. Read it here. I strongly implore (was that the right word?) that everyone here should read it. Oh, and Abster, did you contact Mr. Blond? He can really help you on this brouhaha. I did tell him about this controversy, and that I recommended him to you guys.

 

[Fanshiro]

don't worry

I have a great confident for those who bought from Shawn, neostore will be replaced with fixed ones. Shawn sometimes can be inflexible, but he is reasonable and always get the job done. Also right now, Shawn is the only person who has influence great enough to demand SNKphuckmore to recall the US AES carts and be fixed. Also I think it is more convenience for him to do it on our behalf since we are just lil ants.

cheers

 

[Abster]

Never heard of Mr. Blond, but I'll be willing to get in contact with him if it helps to originate the site.