Sheriff called to school - knocks female student on the ground.

[norton9478]

And Scott, if you need to know what law she was breaking... does trespassing work for ya? They told her to get lost 3 times and she didn't.

Yes I understand, and it is ridiculous to charge someone with "Trespassing" (which she was not charged with btw) in this situation. That is without even going into the legal definition of trespass.

Sometimes, you just gotta kick someones ass. Because talking doesn't always work.

Among adults, yes. Among police officers and teenagers... No

I'm sure she deserved every ounce of it. She was calm when the officer was there, but what was she doing before to get expelled from the classroom?

According to the other students, she had her cellphone out and refused to hand it over. I'm sure that is crime too!

 

[DNSDies]

Interesting stuff. It was pretty much what I thought it was.
Basically, do not give reinforcement, either negative or positive for bad behavior, and hope that it ends eventually.

This doesn't work as well with some situations though. This is especially true with groups that can feed on each other's feedback to get their desired attention. You're just removing yourself from the equation.

It's also the absolute worst idea you can have when a child is challenging authority. It reinforces that behavior, and teaches them that they can ignore you, and that you have no real power or authority. This can cause big problems later on.

 

[StevenK]

I've been a teacher, in worse rooms/situations than this.

Call the officer? Ok. I don't agree, as stated above...but he is here now.

The best practice in this situation, this very situation...because I've lived through it...is to place both hands on the student's headrest, and tip the seat/desk onto the back legs, and drag the student and furniture out into the hallway. Like a moving dolly.

Then you run an extinction protocol (Google it). Once the extinction bubble bursts, the student is compliant.

If the student aggresses toward a staff, they are put into a restraint hold. If the student aggresses toward the officer-officer should use *appropriate* levels of force.

That altercation should NOT have taken place in the classroom. This is not opinion. This is FACT. From someone that has managed worse behaviors than mouthing off, and peaceful noncompliance.

Unless you are a LEO or have passed your Praxis exam(s) you are just spouting opinions. I've worked the front lines, dealing with some of the most maladaptive student behaviors on the planet.

Fecal smearing. Naked elopement.

This student had a consequence coming, for sure. Not this tho. It's off the book.

#justfacts, right?

You forget that every person here has been in this exact situation. We all went to school, we've all been children, we've all witnessed disobedience and we've all been disobedient.

Everybody has seen the same kid disrupt class after class and had the treatment that you outline above. Everyone has seen the same kid walk straight into the next class and repeat the same behaviour.

What is right for one person is not right for another, denying that for some kids a short sharp shock might work is obviously not true, and saying that your protocol above is fact is also not true.

If you have more than one child, I'm sure you don't parent them identically?

Do I think this cop had any of this in mind when he did this? Of course not, he looks like a man who lost his temper - which has no place in the classroom - but what you are passing off as fact I can assure you is not, and I can also assure you these facts will almost certainly change in the next few years as they always do.

 

[TonK]

Interesting stuff. It was pretty much what I thought it was.
Basically, do not give reinforcement, either negative or positive for bad behavior, and hope that it ends eventually.

This doesn't work as well with some situations though. This is especially true with groups that can feed on each other's feedback to get their desired attention. You're just removing yourself from the equation.

It's also the absolute worst idea you can have when a child is challenging authority. It reinforces that behavior, and teaches them that they can ignore you, and that you have no real power or authority. This can cause big problems later on.

#Stillfacts

 

[norton9478]

Interesting stuff. It was pretty much what I thought it was.
Basically, do not give reinforcement, either negative or positive for bad behavior, and hope that it ends eventually.

This doesn't work as well with some situations though. This is especially true with groups that can feed on each other's feedback to get their desired attention. You're just removing yourself from the equation.

But by pulling the desk out into the classroom, you are removing that social facilitation.

It's also the absolute worst idea you can have when a child is challenging authority. It reinforces that behavior, and teaches them that they can ignore you, and that you have no real power or authority. This can cause big problems later on.

There are also consequences (non-physical) that happen later.

 

[TonK]

New video shows girl throwing a punch at the officer.

Still too much aggression?

 

[RabbitTroop]

New video shows girl throwing a punch at the officer.

Still too much aggression?

Yes. Still too much aggression.

 

[norton9478]

New video shows girl throwing a punch at the officer.

Still too much aggression?

Too much force before the "punch".
Too much force after the "punch".

 

[DNSDies]

New video shows girl throwing a punch at the officer.

Still too much aggression?

She punched him in the head like 4 or 5 times when he tried to grab her hand and lift her up out of the chair.

There is no way to forcibly remove someone from an area that is determined to stay put that doesn't look "forceful" or "aggressive".

I see a lot of hand wringing over this, but not one person besides wataru (who suggest a single officer would be able to drag a desk AND a beligerent teen into the hall) suggest anything even remotely viable.

It seems like every time something like this happens, it always comes out later that the "victim" wasn't as innocent as the news and race baiting government wants them to be.

I still remember Mike "Gentle Giant" Brown.

 

[norton9478]

The cop and the school is the government.

 

[TonK]

Yes. Still too much aggression.

We'll see. I'm guessing he will be cleared of any wrongdoing. That makes him innocent in my book.

Once you throw a punch at a cop, you're in deep shit. She got what she deserved.

 

[DNSDies]

The cop and the school is the government.

I wasn't aware that Eric Holder worked for the North Carolina Dept of Education!

 

[wataru330]

I'm GLAD she was ripped out of the seat. So glad.

Maybe she will get a full ride to Quatar with Ackmed the clock boy, then you can teach them not to look at guns.

Lol, u mad bro?

I would *never* come to your job, and slap the hammer out of your hand.

Why are you trying to go in on me, when this is an area that I hold the greater expertise?

We are friends, man. No need to be unfriendly.

 

[norton9478]

Holder works for Covington & Burling.

 

[RabbitTroop]

We'll see. I'm guessing he will be cleared of any wrongdoing. That makes him innocent in my book.

Once you throw a punch at a cop, you're in deep shit. She got what she deserved.

Take her out of the classroom. Arrest her. Do what you need to, but slamming her on the ground was excessive and unnecessary. If she hit the officer, then there should be consequences, but not extreme physical violence. There's very little you could show or tell me that would lead me to believe that level of force was required.

 

[DNSDies]

Holder works for Covington & Burling.

I meant Loretta Lynch.

Totally forgot that Fast and Furious resigned.

Also, the officer didn't "slam her on the ground".

Re-watch the video.

He grabs her arm and leg and tries to lift her up out of the seat. She leans back an starts punching him, then kicks her feet out and leans back MORE. He continues to hold onto her as she falls, and breaks her fall.

The officer then DRAGGED her out of the seat and slid her across the floor. No slamming I can see.

There's videos from 3 angles now showing it. ABC has a good one.

 

[Neorebel]

This is an absolutely ridiculous abuse of power and excessive use of force- this officer clearly has disturbing issues in my opinion. You can remove a FEMALE SCHOOL STUDENT from a chair without doing a throw/slam into the ground, for chrissakes. I don't question his resorting to removing her physically, it's just that it could have been handled in a different less violent manner. As far as mess with the bull?? This is a fucking child we are talking about, not one adult physically provoking another. The argument is invalid.

 

[TonK]

Lol, u mad bro?

I would *never* come to your job, and slap the hammer out of your hand.

Why are you trying to go in on me, when this is an area that I hold the greater expertise?

We are friends, man. No need to be unfriendly.

You slap the hammer out of my hand, I'll smack the taste out of your mouth

Just trolling my g.

 

[wataru330]

Love is love, doggy.

 

[ki_atsushi]

I like how people in here think a few bumps and bruises = the end of the world. (but she probably didn't even get those anyway.)

Girl was being a rancid bitch and got called out on it. Fuck that idiot.

 

[SML]

It seems like every time something like this happens, it always comes out later that the "victim" wasn't as innocent as the news and race baiting government wants them to be.

Really, really funny how that works out.

 

[BLEAGH]

Move class into the hall or gym, leave her there.

 

[Neorebel]

I don't know, unruly brat or not, I just imagine what it would be like to be that girl's father, watching that footage...

 

[ki_atsushi]

I don't know, unruly brat or not, I just imagine what it would be like to be that girl's father, watching that footage...

Unlike most parents who think their kids are little angels, I would be asking her what she did (or didn't do) to provoke that cop.

 

[NeoSneth]

There's student reports saying the girl had kicked him and grabbed at him prior to this video.

This could be the media (and many of you) making a bigger deal out of something that clearly needed to be handled.