Sheriff called to school - knocks female student on the ground.

[TonK]

So you are saying that there is no respect for authority as opposed to when you were in HS (and saw students get tackled at least once a week)?

They didn't have respect back then either. If you do not comply with an officer, they WILL take you down. That's what I was referring to.

Never say never. Teenagers can be impulsive and unpredictable.

I agree, but don't see it happening.

 

[norton9478]

Refusing LEO orders.

That is the biggest problem (other than throwing her like a lawn dart). The "LEO" shouldn't have even been there.

 

[StevenK]

Not just masochistic, but masochistic authoritarian. You know like someone who would say "Nah, bitch had it coming, everyone has to learn at some point that in the grand scheme of things they're a nothing."

And I did not say that "No force" was appropriate. I just stated a preference of de-escalation and resolving the matter without force.

There's a big difference though, mine was clearly a throwaway comment whereas these are the same comments you use for every discussion. Problem is they don't constitute an answer.

"What force was appropriate?"
"I would prefer no force was used"

Not an answer.

 

[TonK]

That is the biggest problem (other than throwing her like a lawn dart). The "LEO" shouldn't have even been there.

But he was and she refused to comply.

 

[norton9478]

There's a big difference though, mine was clearly a throwaway comment whereas these are the same comments you use for every discussion. Problem is they don't constitute an answer.

"What force was appropriate?"
"I would prefer no force was used"

Not an answer.

I acutally said that the force was not only inappropriate, but possibly unnecessary.

 

[DNSDies]

Obviously, this was bad enough that the teacher, principal, and a school administrator thought it required a police officer to intervene. They can't just show all the students that the rules are optional. What little respect those kids had for their (verbal only) authority would have evaporated. They NEEDED to escalate it.

Likely because teachers cannot touch a student, and when they exhaust their options, this is all they have. I bet there's more to this story than CNN is reporting. We all know how they love their narratives.

What we do know is that she was asked over half a dozen times by FOUR authority figures to get up and go to the office, and she refused.

The cop didn't just run in and pile drive her. He came in and asked her to move, then asked again, then gave the final ultimatum "move or I'll have to make you move".

She's a victim, all right, of he own arrogance, ignorance, and her parent's inability to instill even a little respect for authority in her.

 

[TonK]

Obviously, this was bad enough that the teacher, principal, and a school administrator thought it required a police officer to intervene. They can't just show all the students that the rules are optional. What little respect those kids had for their (verbal only) authority would have evaporated. They NEEDED to escalate it.

Likely because teachers cannot touch a student, and when they exhaust their options, this is all they have. I bet there's more to this story than CNN is reporting. We all know how they love their narratives.

What we do know is that she was asked over half a dozen times by FOUR authority figures to get up and go to the office, and she refused.

The cop didn't just run in and pile drive her. He came in and asked her to move, then asked again, then gave the final ultimatum "move or I'll have to make you move".

She's a victim, all right, of he own arrogance, ignorance, and her parent's inability to instill even a little respect for authority in her.

/thread

 

[norton9478]

Respect doesn't come from a badge.
Respect is earned.

 

[BLEAGH]

It's like respecting a power tool. It didn't do anything to earn it, but it could take your hand off if you don't give it.

 

[NeoSneth]

That's cool.

Tell you what...I'll love in my reality where I don't fuck with the police.

You can live in yours where you question them and feel it is their job to wait out your obedience.

We'll see which one works out better should we need to exercise our views.

Yeah, This.
I don't fuck with the police unless I need to.

 

[GohanX]

Let's play a game. Which poster in this thread never got spanked as a child?

 

[smokehouse]

Respect doesn't come from a badge.
Respect is earned.

That is a dumb statement.

Respect comes from many places…but the most critical form of respect is respect of power. I respect power…if you don't, you're a fool. There's plenty of people in the ground from lack of respect of those that had power over them...

 

[TonK]

Let's play a game. Which poster in this thread never got spanked as a child?

"We don't use the word "hate"."

 

[RabbitTroop]

You want to forcefully remove the kid, pick up the entire desk and move it into the hall. You, on no circumstance, should rip the kid out of the desk and throw her to the ground.

 

[roker]

some force should have been used but that was excessive. I mean, that was uber violent, the guy was a boss. Cuff her then and there from the front then lift her from the desk. recuff her later.

I dunno, but pulling her out and flipping that chair was too rough.

 

[norton9478]

That is a dumb statement.

Respect comes from many places…but the most critical form of respect is respect of power. I respect power…if you don't, you're a fool. There's plenty of people in the ground from lack of respect of those that had power over them...

Compliance is not respect.

Respect is a virtue. Compliance is an action.


To "respect" power for the sake of it's claim of hierarchy is authoritarianism.

 

[wataru330]

I've been a teacher, in worse rooms/situations than this.

Call the officer? Ok. I don't agree, as stated above...but he is here now.

The best practice in this situation, this very situation...because I've lived through it...is to place both hands on the student's headrest, and tip the seat/desk onto the back legs, and drag the student and furniture out into the hallway. Like a moving dolly.

Then you run an extinction protocol (Google it). Once the extinction bubble bursts, the student is compliant.

If the student aggresses toward a staff, they are put into a restraint hold. If the student aggresses toward the officer-officer should use *appropriate* levels of force.

That altercation should NOT have taken place in the classroom. This is not opinion. This is FACT. From someone that has managed worse behaviors than mouthing off, and peaceful noncompliance.

Unless you are a LEO or have passed your Praxis exam(s) you are just spouting opinions. I've worked the front lines, dealing with some of the most maladaptive student behaviors on the planet.

Fecal smearing. Naked elopement.

This student had a consequence coming, for sure. Not this tho. It's off the book.

#justfacts, right?

 

[hyper]

we have a problem of royalties going unpaid to the officers whose likeness generate huge amounts of web traffic to sites that broadcast their viral web appearances. we need an ASCAP for police videos that operates alongside the IRS, with 51% of proceeds deposited directly into the checking accounts of any officers depicted, 39% toward the operating budget for the precinct that employs them and the remaining 10% to the agency tasked with royalty fee collection and administration. cumulative interest and late fees accrue for non-paying web entities and broadcasters under penalty of domain-name seizure, suspension of FCC licenses, tax liens and wage garnishements.

 

[norton9478]

Exactly Waturu.

I totally agree. Give a teenager half an hour in quiet isolation, outside of the peer environment and they will accept what is coming to them. They might be hard headed, but eventually all but the worst hard cases will wise up. In case some of you can't remember what it is like to be a teenager, Time in an environment with no stimuli crawls.

And the best part? Nobody gets sued or fired!

 

[norton9478]

we have a problem of royalties going unpaid to the officers whose likeness generate huge amounts of web traffic to sites that broadcast their viral web appearances. we need an ASCAP for police videos that operates alongside the IRS, with 51% of proceeds deposited directly into the checking accounts of any officers depicted, 39% toward the operating budget for the precinct that employs them and the remaining 10% to the agency tasked with royalty fee collection and administration. cumulative interest and late fees accrue for non-paying web entities and broadcasters under penalty of domain-name seizure, suspension of FCC licenses, tax liens and wage garnishements.

Best post in the thread.

 

[TonK]

I've been a teacher, in worse rooms/situations than this.

Call the officer? Ok. I don't agree, as stated above...but he is here now.

The best practice in this situation, this very situation...because I've lived through it...is to place both hands on the student's headrest, and tip the seat/desk onto the back legs, and drag the student and furniture out into the hallway. Like a moving dolly.

Then you run an extinction protocol (Google it). Once the extinction bubble bursts, the student is compliant.

If the student aggresses toward a staff, they are put into a restraint hold. If the student aggresses toward the officer-officer should use *appropriate* levels of force.

That altercation should NOT have taken place in the classroom. This is not opinion. This is FACT. From someone that has managed worse behaviors than mouthing off, and peaceful noncompliance.

Unless you are a LEO or have passed your Praxis exam(s) you are just spouting opinions. I've worked the front lines, dealing with some of the most maladaptive student behaviors on the planet.

Fecal smearing. Naked elopement.

This student had a consequence coming, for sure. Not this tho. It's off the book.

#justfacts, right?

I'm GLAD she was ripped out of the seat. So glad.

Maybe she will get a full ride to Quatar with Ackmed the clock boy, then you can teach them not to look at guns.

 

[Jibbajaba]

I've been a teacher, in worse rooms/situations than this.

Call the officer? Ok. I don't agree, as stated above...but he is here now.

The best practice in this situation, this very situation...because I've lived through it...is to place both hands on the student's headrest, and tip the seat/desk onto the back legs, and drag the student and furniture out into the hallway. Like a moving dolly.

Then you run an extinction protocol (Google it). Once the extinction bubble bursts, the student is compliant.

If the student aggresses toward a staff, they are put into a restraint hold. If the student aggresses toward the officer-officer should use *appropriate* levels of force.

That altercation should NOT have taken place in the classroom. This is not opinion. This is FACT. From someone that has managed worse behaviors than mouthing off, and peaceful noncompliance.

Unless you are a LEO or have passed your Praxis exam(s) you are just spouting opinions. I've worked the front lines, dealing with some of the most maladaptive student behaviors on the planet.

Fecal smearing. Naked elopement.

This student had a consequence coming, for sure. Not this tho. It's off the book.

#justfacts, right?

*THAT'S* /thread.

 

[ki_atsushi]

I just think that it is fucked up that people think that someone deserves being handles so roughly for sitting still and refusing a "lawful" command.

And I find absurd this notion that there is no other choice but to send her ass over tea-kettle.

Sometimes, you just gotta kick someones ass. Because talking doesn't always work.

I'm sure she deserved every ounce of it. She was calm when the officer was there, but what was she doing before to get expelled from the classroom?

And Scott, if you need to know what law she was breaking... does trespassing work for ya? They told her to get lost 3 times and she didn't.

 

[DNSDies]

Extinction Protocol only brings up some wonky doomsday cult stuff on google.
Mind providing a better search term? I'm genuinely curious.

 

[norton9478]

Extinction Protocol only brings up some wonky doomsday cult stuff on google.
Mind providing a better search term? I'm genuinely curious.

Try:
Extinction Protocol Classroom Management