Sheriff called to school - knocks female student on the ground.

[smokehouse]

You guys are a bunch of authoritarian masochists.

No...it's just the way of things and most of us know it.

I was arrested. Even though I knew at the time I hadn't broken any laws, I went along peacefully anyway.

When I had my day in court, the charges were dropped...life went on.

I could bitched, refused to get out fo the car, mouthed off...been a real dick. in the end, I would have got the business end of the stick for it. I am smart enough to know how that shit ends...

Use my noodle?
I've seen these situations go down. Long before we had "School Resource Officers". I've seen this handled without an arrest or throwing a student over backwards.

It has been done since the age of public enducation.

It is his job.
He is a fucking rent-a-cop.

No...he is an officer:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_resource_officer

It's not an officer's job to patiently wait for someone to decide they're ready to follow an law backed command.

Oh...by "long before"...do you mean 1952? I can't remember that far back...it's neat-o that you can.

 

[TonK]

You guys are a bunch of authoritarian masochists.

No, we're in the real world my man. I'm not trying to disrespect your opinions - but it's just not reality.

 

[norton9478]

She was peaceful also.

 

[norton9478]

No, we're in the real world my man. I'm not trying to disrespect your opinions - but it's just not reality.

I'm sorry I didn't live in the real world when students I went to school with refused to leave.

 

[TonK]

This bitch compared this girl to Dylan Roof.




Guess what?





Dylan Roof SURRENDERED AND OBEYED LEO ORDERS.

 

[StevenK]

You guys are a bunch of authoritarian masochists.

And you are the very opposite end of the scale. Are you prepared to admit the right answer might sometimes lie between the two?

Action and talking both have their place.

 

[CaseyTappy]

Cop is taking it to far, a friendly applied suplex could have prevented this from escalating .

Spoiler:

 

[norton9478]

And you are the very opposite end of the scale. Are you prepared to admit the right answer might sometimes lie between the two?

Yes,
the "right" in the middle thing to do is to de-escalate the situation rather than to escalate it, and to apply the appropriate amount of force.

 

[HDRchampion]

Couldn't they just drag the desk outside? Then call the parents to take their child home? Then expel the child?

 

[Teddy KGB]

It doesn't show what happened before, including what the student did and how many times authorities -- a teacher, a school administrator and finally the officer, Richland County Sheriff's Deputy Ben Fields -- had asked her to get up.

I mean, at some point any cop is going to do his/her thing if asking first isn't getting results.

 

[smokehouse]

Yes,
the "right" in the middle thing to do is to de-escalate the situation rather than to escalate it, and to apply the appropriate amount of force.

Listen, I'm not disputing what you're saying...but what you're saying is kind of "la-la-land" based.

There's "right"...then there's "real"

I say- "Bill died of cancer"
You reply with- "Well, that's not right, no one should die of cancer."

Even though I may 100% agree with you, it doesn't make one real. "Real" is if you fuck with a cop in that manner...you're probably going to get roughed up. I'm not saying this is right, I'm saying this is how it is.

That LEO will get the business end of the stick, I have no doubt about it. Not only will he have to find a new line of work with this is all over...he'll probably have to move (far away) as well...

 

[norton9478]

No...it's just the way of things and most of us know it.

I was arrested. Even though I knew at the time I hadn't broken any laws, I went along peacefully anyway.

When I had my day in court, the charges were dropped...life went on.

I could bitched, refused to get out fo the car, mouthed off...been a real dick. in the end, I would have got the business end of the stick for it. I am smart enough to know how that shit ends...



No...he is an officer:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_resource_officer

It's not an officer's job to patiently wait for someone to decide they're ready to follow an law backed command.

He is still a rent a cop. Just a security guard that has been deputized.

It isn't his job to "Enforce the Law" (PS what law was she breaking?).
It his job to provide security and crime prevention in the school. His job is to work around students which may require the use of tact and a cursory knowledge of child development.

Oh...by "long before"...do you mean 1952? I can't remember that far back...it's neat-o that you can.

You had cops working in your school?
I didn't. We didn't see cops unless there was an actual CRIME committed.

Magically, we saw things like this get resolved on a day-to-day basis.
The only time I saw in-school-suspension was for insubordination (refusing to leave a class).

 

[Jibbajaba]

Listen...we all you know you are the NG.com bleeding heart humanitarian...but perhaps you should use your noodle a bit.

My daughter weighs 75 lbs...dead human weight is not easy to move around. 125lbs of dead human weight is even worse...

It's not his job to "wait her out"...

The other day, some dude was staging a one-man sit in at the student union on my university campus. I had seen the guy around and just assumed that he was a student, but apparently he's just some younger guy who comes on campus to do social activist-type stuff. So anyway he's in the Memorial Union just sitting in a chair but refusing to leave (I guess he had already been "banned" from campus). Cops show up and tell him to leave, and he just refuses to budge. So they just picked up the chair with him still in it, and carried him outside. I watched this all go down, as I was there having lunch.

So anyway, I don't know what the guy weighs, but I'm pretty sure that it's more than some high school girl. But rather than escalate a situation in the middle of a bunch of people, they just carried his whole self out to a squad car, and then lifted him out of the chair and into the back seat of the car. No muss, no fuss.

 

[norton9478]

Listen, I'm not disputing what you're saying...but what you're saying is kind of "la-la-land" based.

There's "right"...then there's "real"

The real is how i've seen this handled without criminal charges or violence.

La La Land is the notion that such violence is necessary. That we need rent-a-cops to handle routine disciplinary issues.

La La Land it the notion that the authority of the state and the police is tantamount and that questioning the use of force thereof cannot be questioned.

 

[TonK]

The other day, some dude was staging a one-man sit in at the student union on my university campus. I had seen the guy around and just assumed that he was a student, but apparently he's just some younger guy who comes on campus to do social activist-type stuff. So anyway he's in the Memorial Union just sitting in a chair but refusing to leave (I guess he had already been "banned" from campus). Cops show up and tell him to leave, and he just refuses to budge. So they just picked up the chair with him still in it, and carried him outside. I watched this all go down, as I was there having lunch.

So anyway, I don't know what the guy weighs, but I'm pretty sure that it's more than some high school girl. But rather than escalate a situation in the middle of a bunch of people, they just carried his whole self out to a squad car, and then lifted him out of the chair and into the back seat of the car. No muss, no fuss.

So, multiple units showed up? That's cool.

 

[TonK]

Btw, real deal sheriff - not RAC

 

[norton9478]

Btw, real deal sheriff - not RAC

A deputized security guard.

Still a RAC.

 

[Jibbajaba]

So, multiple units showed up? That's cool.

Yeah, but the campus has its own police force, so no on-duty officer is more than a couple of minutes away from any part of the campus, and they generally don't really have a lot going on. So pretty much *any* incident that requires a cop to show up gets basically all of them to show up.

 

[smokehouse]

The real is how i've seen this handled without criminal charges or violence.

La La Land is the notion that such violence is necessary. That we need rent-a-cops to handle routine disciplinary issues.

La La Land it the notion that the authority of the state and the police is tantamount and that questioning the use of force thereof cannot be questioned.

That's cool.

Tell you what...I'll love in my reality where I don't fuck with the police.

You can live in yours where you question them and feel it is their job to wait out your obedience.

We'll see which one works out better should we need to exercise our views.

 

[FilthyRear]

If the comment said what I think it said... I forgive GG for not having much experience around white people.

It said "Black people think differently, apparently."

Really wasn't in the mood to have a discussion about race. I'm still not, hence why i changed it.

 

[norton9478]

It said "Black people think differently, apparently."

.

Yeah, that is exactly what I thought it said.

 

[smokehouse]

Yeah, that is exactly what I thought it said.

By the way...I enjoy bickering with you...I really do...

 

[StevenK]

Yes,
the "right" in the middle thing to do is to de-escalate the situation rather than to escalate it, and to apply the appropriate amount of force.

This is my point. The discussion here is to what the appropriate use of force was. The difference between yourself and everyone you are calling masochistic is the masochists are prepared to decide on a different level for a different situation whereas your answer for any discussion of this nature, ever, will always be and always is 'none'.

 

[norton9478]

Not just masochistic, but masochistic authoritarian. You know like someone who would say "Nah, bitch had it coming, everyone has to learn at some point that in the grand scheme of things they're a nothing."

And I did not say that "No force" was appropriate. I just stated a preference of de-escalation and resolving the matter without force.

 

[norton9478]

Family is gonna get PAID tho.

Cops being baited into lawsuits is the norm now.

Third time is a charm.