Puzzle I II III Revolution - weird Puzzle de Pon R variant?

[Vectorman0]

Has anyone seen this before, or know anything about this?

I bought this from a forum regular, who I suspect got it from here: https://www.neo-geo.com/forums/inde...lection-cab-ai-cmvs-slim-88-games-sold.228417

In the past when I searched this ten years ago, I found a couple other mentions of this on European forums, and saw at least one picture with the same serial. I am not sure if it was the same copy, or another that use this same serial.

Some notes:

• This came with box, cart, paper flyer, paper mini, dip sheet, and baggies
• Cart/box labels are clearly "fake". They have sheen similar to packing tape on the white part of the label, but the gray/black is matte
• Box appears to have been repurposed
• The cart boards seem to be the same as stock Puzzle de Pon R board - It has "202" and "235" Mask ROMS & a single "235-P1" EPROM. I think unibios CRC checks out as Puzzle de Pon R, but I would need to double check this.
• Dip sheet size is a bit larger than the Puzzle de Pon R dip sheet (I used mine from a PdP R kit for comparison, this kit did not come with both dip sheets)

 

[nuke sc]

I wonder if this could be like Concorde B Star and Bang Progress? Interesting that they took the time to make flyer art.

NeoStore.com - Bang Progress (relabled Bang Bead) MVS kit

Vintage arcade game cartridge released for the 24-bit Neo-Geo MVS system.

www.neostore.com

NeoStore.com - Concorde B. Star (Blazing Star) English MVS cartridge

A Neo-Geo website featuring Concorde B. Star and other excellent NeoGeo MVS at The NeoStore!

www.neostore.com

 

[Vectorman0]

I wonder if this could be like Concorde B Star and Bang Progress? Interesting that they took the time to make flyer art.

NeoStore.com - Bang Progress (relabled Bang Bead) MVS kit

Vintage arcade game cartridge released for the 24-bit Neo-Geo MVS system.

www.neostore.com

NeoStore.com - Concorde B. Star (Blazing Star) English MVS cartridge

A Neo-Geo website featuring Concorde B. Star and other excellent NeoGeo MVS at The NeoStore!

www.neostore.com

Thank you for sharing. I didn't know that was the story on Bang Progress, and I haven't seen Concorde B Star before. This seems like a reasonable explanation, but I don't understand the logic behind "creating the illusion of a new game", especially on something like Puzzle de Pon R, which doesn't seem to have been produced in particularly large quantities. I must not understand what arcade distribution was like.

 

[Neo Alec]

Yeah, I agree it's pretty stupid. Talk about polluting the market with crap and potentially destroying some original kits and cart labels in the process.

So the game itself just boots and plays the same as a normal Puzzle de Pon R? Truth be told, I'd love a hack of the game with some new levels.

 

[nuke sc]

Yeah, probably why you still have that one instance of Puzzle de Pon under the main title under the dip settings sheet. I know it hurts the value but would much rather have something like this than carved out serials or a standard replacement label, cool little bit of history.

 

[mmsadda]

From what I've heard, this is one of I think 5 games some European distributor converted/renamed, along with Bang Bead / BS mentioned above, and Neo Mr. Do as Mr. Dodo.

If you end up selling this, I might be interested

 

[Neo Alec]

From what I've heard, this is one of I think 5 games some European distributor converted/renamed, along with Bang Bead / BS mentioned above, and Neo Mr. Do as Mr. Dodo.

If you end up selling this, I might be interested

There is no historical value of garbage like this.

Fuck that European distributor straight to hell.

 

[nuke sc]

There is no historical value of garbage like this.

Fuck that European distributor straight to hell.

It’s actually very historical you autistic fuck. With all the videos you make I can’t believe you don’t understand this. (actually I can)

Just because you clawed your fake label off like a rabid wolverine years ago because it wasn’t “authentic” you can’t be happy now until everyone else does the same. Fuck you.

 

[Neo Alec]

It’s actually very historical you autistic fuck. With all the videos you make I can’t believe you don’t understand this. (actually I can)

Just because you clawed your fake label off like a rabid wolverine years ago because it wasn’t “authentic” you can’t be happy now until everyone else does the same. Fuck you.

Sounds like you enjoy freaked carts. That's interesting.

 

[nuke sc]

Sounds like you enjoy freaked carts. That's interesting.

Sounds like you enjoy being a faggot.

 

[Neo Alec]

"Fuck that distributor who adulterated all those games and then tried to pass them off as a new game," is not exactly a controversial statement.

 

[nuke sc]

"Fuck that distributor who adulterated all those games and then tried to pass them off as a new game," is not exactly a controversial statement.

Yes, that would have been a better response than calling something you can't appreciate garbage. The irony is you performed the same action that distributor did by removing it, only no one will ever give a fuck that Neo Alec changed his label.

 

[Neo Alec]

I have every right to my opinion, just like you have a right to your super agressive personal attacks.

 

[nuke sc]

Sometimes the truth hurts.

 

[lithy]

Nifty, never seen anything like this. Personal opinion. I wouldn't want it, but wouldn't want PdPR either though. But at some point as time passes, things like this will be of interest to some people. And they aren't really 'fake shit' because they weren't really created with the idea to deceive future collectards.

It would be at least interesting to know why these seemingly obscure games were remarketed for the Euro market. Copyright issues possibly? We know the logic behind some of the rebranding for the Korean market. Is a Last Soldier or Salubi Spirits cart 'fake shit'? Or does it just have a different appeal, or lack thereof, to someone compared to a Last Blade or Samurai Shodown cart.

Hell, where is Fran to tell us how all English games from Japanese developers are fake shit?

 

[lithy]

I think I meant Shito not Fran, but maybe it was both.

 

[Neo Alec]

Nifty, never seen anything like this. Personal opinion. I wouldn't want it, but wouldn't want PdPR either though. But at some point as time passes, things like this will be of interest to some people. And they aren't really 'fake shit' because they weren't really created with the idea to deceive future collectards.

It would be at least interesting to know why these seemingly obscure games were remarketed for the Euro market. Copyright issues possibly? We know the logic behind some of the rebranding for the Korean market. Is a Last Soldier or Salubi Spirits cart 'fake shit'? Or does it just have a different appeal, or lack thereof, to someone compared to a Last Blade or Samurai Shodown cart.

Hell, where is Fran to tell us how all English games from Japanese developers are fake shit?

The story goes that it was some independent distributor deceiving people. Nothing remotely official.

 

[nuke sc]

K E E P S

C U M M I N G

B A C K ! ! ! ! ! !

How’s that replacement label holding up for you anyway @Neo Alec

https://www.neo-geo.com/forums/inde...mes-bang-progress-and-concorde-b-star.134767/

 

[Neo Alec]

K E E P S

C U M M I N G

B A C K ! ! ! ! ! !

How’s that replacement label holding up for you anyway @Neo Alec

https://www.neo-geo.com/forums/inde...mes-bang-progress-and-concorde-b-star.134767/

I sold the cart to someone (I think on here) as a relabel, and bought an original one to replace it with. Not real cheap, even years ago.

Are you under the impression that these relabels are from an official distributor somehow related to SNK? If so I can see how you might think these are worthwhile. However the evidence for that simply doesn't exist.

 

[nuke sc]

If you still don’t get it, there’s nothing I can do to help you.

 

[Neo Alec]

Well, there are shelf queens who fill whole shelves with "high quality bootlegs" so whatever floats your boat. At least these are real carts. The correct title will display when you boot them.

Calling that distributor that relabeled a bunch of carts a bunch of mf-ers was meant to be an cheap and easy applause line. I don't know why there would be any pushback on this. Last I checked no one here was a fan of NGF shredding original inserts, which isn't that different.

 

[nuke sc]

Sorry I forgot you are an authoritative figure in this community, an expert in identifying historical value, and have NEO in your name, for god’s sake carry on.

 

[Neo Alec]

Dude, you've got some 'ssues.

 

[lithy]

The story goes that it was some independent distributor deceiving people. Nothing remotely official.

Deceiving who though? I'm not claiming these are official SNK products. I'm not saying you have to have them to have a complete MVS collection. Do what you wanna do. But what was the deception?

Did some bungling arcade op manage to buy this thinking he was getting a new game even though he already had PdPR? This sort of thing relatively predates the kind of direct to collector market that has become popular for Neo stuff in the last decade or so.

I'm trying to draw a distinction between what seems to be an arcade distributor either trying to sell a few more games using some sort of rename with new art or maybe skirting some sort of other legal reason to not sell games as PdPR.

Hell, even if it was an outright deception just for the sake of 'creating' a new Neo title, it will still have some sort of value. A US AF3 has some sort of value and it's probably far, far above $0 no matter how much you or me might want to call it fake shit.

It reminded me of this, which is equally weird and pointless. But interesting nonetheless.

SHOCK T2 MVS FLYERS, PROTO???

I JUST TO FIND THESES FLYERS "SHOCK T2" NEVER I SEE THIS FLYERS? ARE PROTOS FOR SHOCK TROOPERS 2 SQUAD? NEWS FOR THIS FLYERS???

neo-geo.com

 

[Neo Alec]

Deceiving who though? I'm not claiming these are official SNK products. I'm not saying you have to have them to have a complete MVS collection. Do what you wanna do. But what was the deception?

Did some bungling arcade op manage to buy this thinking he was getting a new game even though he already had PdPR? This sort of thing relatively predates the kind of direct to collector market that has become popular for Neo stuff in the last decade or so.

I'm trying to draw a distinction between what seems to be an arcade distributor either trying to sell a few more games using some sort of rename with new art or maybe skirting some sort of other legal reason to not sell games as PdPR.

Hell, even if it was an outright deception just for the sake of 'creating' a new Neo title, it will still have some sort of value. A US AF3 has some sort of value and it's probably far, far above $0 no matter how much you or me might want to call it fake shit.

It reminded me of this, which is equally weird and pointless. But interesting nonetheless.

SHOCK T2 MVS FLYERS, PROTO???

I JUST TO FIND THESES FLYERS "SHOCK T2" NEVER I SEE THIS FLYERS? ARE PROTOS FOR SHOCK TROOPERS 2 SQUAD? NEWS FOR THIS FLYERS???

neo-geo.com

Yeah, I agree it's really murky. I've never seen any definitive information on these. A lot of people these days seem content to assume it was someone trying to rename some known games to make a quick buck, but it's really weird. Until I see anything official, that seems to be the most likely scenario at least. Some decent quality labels and boxes, with the original inserts nowhere to be found.