PSA: Multicarts and Everdrives may be destroying our hardware

Dr. Jigglin

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I can just imagine all the fucking nerds out there having a meltdown over this shit. Play ya games and have a beer ya queer!
 

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It's a bunch of hyperbole and theory with zero actual evidence of any of this happening.

Igor (Krikzz):

http://krikzz.com/forum/index.php?topic=6614.msg51195#msg51195

Heh, theory is good, but what we have on the practice?
1. Lot of carts were sold for this years, but NO ONE were returned due the flash chip damage. If carts comes back for repair, they usually damaged physically or has some manufacturing defects. Some early carts, like edmd v2 or super-ed v1, may lost bootloaders, but this is was only software problem.
As for possibility of console damage, here also not been detected any problems. I have MD2 and Famicom-av from first days, they intensively used for development and just to play some games. I use them more than 7 years in heavy mode and nothing happens. Also we have few consoles for production testing, they used almost every day and for 7 years only one famicom died, and it happens due the power cord accidentally shorted on console pcb. The only problem with those test consoles is cartridge connectors, they stop working every 5-10 months after such using in extremely heavy conditions, but after replacement they continue working.
 

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I can just imagine all the fucking nerds out there having a meltdown over this shit. Play ya games and have a beer ya queer!

I could guarantee you they are selling off their current flash carts and picking up the ones that this guy approved.
 

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Krikkz, creator of the everdrive line of flashcarts responded to this:

http://krikzz.com/forum/index.php?topic=6614.msg51195#msg51195

Kinda funny he didn't admit any fault and basically stated "it just werks on my mine since the dawn of time guys" aka confirmation bias.

Now im not sure what type panadora's box would be opened if he admitted fault but at least moving forward he should fix the designs of boards that don't have proper voltage level transitions. He obviously realized his old designs had a design flaw as a few of the new ones have the proper voltage level transitions on all I/O.

Honestly I wouldn't worry about it but it is a potential failure of a console even if it is miniscule. These consoles are getting old so how would we determine if they simply just died due to old age vs the flash cart. I bet most users would think it was consoles dying due to old age had they not known about this information (which could go both ways as to what killed it). Similar to how we had a thread for good vs bad mod work, moving forward we should have good designs on these flash carts.
 
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Kinda funny he didn't admit any fault and basically stated "it just werks on my mine since the dawn of time guys" aka confirmation bias.

Now im not sure what type panadora's box would be opened if he admitted fault but at least moving forward he should fix the designs of boards that don't have proper voltage level transitions. He obviously realized his old designs had a design flaw as a few of the new ones have the proper voltage level transitions on all I/O.

Honestly I wouldn't worry about it but it is a potential failure of a console even if it is miniscule. These consoles are getting old so how would we determine if they simply just died due to old age vs the flash cart. I bet most users would think it was consoles dying due to old age had they not known about this information (which could go both ways as to what killed it). Similar to how we had a thread for good vs bad mod work, moving forward we should have good designs on these flash carts.

Yep..and he only showed the back of cartridges that have gone through the redesign and that DB electronics said were "good". I'm a little butt-hurt that the Mega Everdrive X7, which is the high-end model, still has the design flaws.
 

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I have NO IDEA what you guys are talking about - I use my ED's constantly and I haven't seen any performance issues.
 

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I have NO IDEA what you guys are talking about - I use my ED's constantly and I haven't seen any performance issues.

Its that Nerd Meltdown that Lachlan was talking about. It's happening.
 

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I have NO IDEA what you guys are talking about - I use my ED's constantly and I haven't seen any performance issues.

Performance issues no. Possible gradual wear and tear on your console's electrical circuits, yes. This is going to come down to what risk people are willing to live with.
 

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Eh, just another reason I use EDs and Multicarts sparingly. I'll use them for trying/playing games that are otherwise too expensive or out of my reach, and buy the physical cartridge if/when the opportunity presents itself.

It's a risk we all take (but begin to forget about) when we start using any kind of 3rd-party/aftermarket tech on our hardware.
 

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X7's will flood the Market. X5's will be sold out within a Week. It's a good thing I never upgraded my Flash Carts. Was planning on upgrading this year and now I'll just wait.
 
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OH NO MY 20+ YEAR OLD SYSTEM MIGHT SHIT THE BED BECAUSE I DECIDED TO DECLUTTER MY FUCKING LIFE AND USE AN EVERDRIVE

give me a break
 

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Nobody is telling you not to use flash carts, they're just informing you of a newly discovered risk.

Like how people say eating bacon can cause cancer. I have been eating bacon all my life and I don't have cancer. And I will continue to do so. But my own personal experience doesn't discredit the idea of a causal link between bacon and cancer.

I think most people will also continue to eat bacon understanding it may increase the risk of cancer. But it's still good to know about the risk and inform others.
 

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Kinda funny he didn't admit any fault and basically stated "it just werks on my mine since the dawn of time guys" aka confirmation bias.

Plenty of things appear to work properly even if there are shortcuts in design or things not done properly. The reason why cheap Chinese junk electronics have such a bad wrap is because of their shortcuts, when in many cases, can cause failure or damage over time. Anyone who understands anything about electronics will realise that the article is not talking about something that will happen now, but that something will happen over time. Tolerances in electronic components will change or degrade over time naturally. Circuits that are designed improperly will degrade faster. That is all that is being said here.

That and it is obviously a rant about things not being done properly in manufacturing, which is a legitimate rant.
 

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^^The truth of the matter.

Pop goes the weasel(s).
 
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Yep..and he only showed the back of cartridges that have gone through the redesign and that DB electronics said were "good". I'm a little butt-hurt that the Mega Everdrive X7, which is the high-end model, still has the design flaws.

On the bright side, a replacement Mega Drive is so cheap it's basically free. If a Mega Drive console cost $500, maybe I'd be a bit more concerned.
 

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On the bright side, a replacement Mega Drive is so cheap it's basically free. If a Mega Drive console cost $500, maybe I'd be a bit more concerned.

But some are concerned that 30 years from now they might not be so cheap lol.
 

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Ahh you'll be alright. I sold off alot of stuff in the last few months and I'm getting along fine. Flash cart the shit out of everything, hold on to a few favorites and you'll manage.

If you keep the cartridges in possession it's not because of the game itself, it's because of the fact that you like to collect them and you love to see them on your shelf.

As other members of the forum since the 90's I have used copiers and all my consoles still working perfectly.
I don't know what negative effects can the copiers of the new millennium cause as I haven't bought any.

Long live to the floppies!

Thank you guys for the peace of mind :)

That's what I'm trying to do, keep four or five faves and off the rest go.
 

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But some are concerned that 30 years from now they might not be so cheap lol.

also keep in mind finding a good Sega Genesis can be a little bit of a pain in the ass if you care about sound quality. Will kinda be a moot point once the mega amp kit comes out with a rgb circuit built in but you would need to install it.
 
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