Pop n Bounce

trebormills

Quiz Detective
Think i just got a boot...

Case looks all ok but weird shiny chip visible through slats.... ill open up to get pics to be sure but looks like flashed window chip to me, also may be useful to others to see what a boot looks like. When i popped case no obvious snk logos and loads of wires and shiny window chips

Picture of geniune cart on external site
http://www.zen96737.zen.co.uk/pop_'n_bounce.htm

See my album for the cart I bought
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/album.php?albumid=126

talking to seller to resolve (not bought from neogeo site)
He wants cart back so i offered to remove pcbs and destroy them and then return the cart to him, don't want this bugger floating around!! . If you look at my album it has the cheek to not even have destroyed a geniune cart ;-)


one of the images:
picture.php
 
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andy251203

Hardened Shock Trooper
100% bootleg. SNK never used MX maskroms on their carts. (Actually those are probably OTP EPROMs)
 

Phyeir

My only regret is that I have... Boneitis!
This is why I check even the ones with the legit case... what a great way to make money... take the real boards, pop them into a fake case and sell as legit, then turn around and sell the real case with fake boards -_-
 

trebormills

Quiz Detective
This is why I check even the ones with the legit case... what a great way to make money... take the real boards, pop them into a fake case and sell as legit, then turn around and sell the real case with fake boards -_-

im popping all my carts...breaks my heart to cut a seal dated 1996 etc...but these guys can get hold of labels and stick em on just as easy as anyone else.

So far just the 1 cart made me twitch... and thats the one with the pics. It looked all ok from the outside but the sun caught it at just the right angle and I saw a weird shine from stuff inside the case.

Problem is i need to verify a load of carts and also make sure that they work and I have no working Neo geo right now...:blow_top:
 

Phyeir

My only regret is that I have... Boneitis!
im popping all my carts...breaks my heart to cut a seal dated 1996 etc...but these guys can get hold of labels and stick em on just as easy as anyone else.

So far just the 1 cart made me twitch... and thats the one with the pics. It looked all ok from the outside but the sun caught it at just the right angle and I saw a weird shine from stuff inside the case.

Problem is i need to verify a load of carts and also make sure that they work and I have no working Neo geo right now...:blow_top:

Even I don't think I could do that to a side-sealed carts -_-
 

madman

Blame madman, You Know You Want To.,
Obvious signs:
MX ROMs
EPROMs (though not always a sign of a boot)
Non-SNK boards (always a sign of a boot)
Non-SNK chips (only the earliest used off the shelf parts, most had custom chips)
 

Xian Xi

JammaNationX,
On a legit label the box is a lot darker than the border. It's a medium gray, in your pic it's almost white.
 

trebormills

Quiz Detective
On a legit label the box is a lot darker than the border. It's a medium gray, in your pic it's almost white.

In reality it is a bit darker but a good tip as its a faint grey......Thanks

All helps build my case.....

UPDATE
he wants cart back complete and untouched!!
Trying to persuade him to let me break the boards and return the cart and broken boards but if I want my money back i might not have a choice at the end of the day, need to check paypal point of view on that.
 

mmsadda

Just buy my shit. Seriously. You can call me Susan
Well, shit. write "bootleg" on the label, and return it to him. Or write it in pencil on one of the chips, if you feel that strongly about it.

I'm not surprised he didn't let you keep the boards to destroy them, though; even if he is a completely honest seller, he may think you want to keep the boards or chips for the sake of keeping the game while claiming to destroy it.

Sorry to see ya ran into the boot, man.
 

trebormills

Quiz Detective
Well, shit. write "bootleg" on the label, and return it to him. Or write it in pencil on one of the chips, if you feel that strongly about it.

I'm not surprised he didn't let you keep the boards to destroy them, though; even if he is a completely honest seller, he may think you want to keep the boards or chips for the sake of keeping the game while claiming to destroy it.

Sorry to see ya ran into the boot, man.

Well the issue is persuading an "honest seller".

I will not keep boards.....i will snap them in half and return them with the untouched external case. I may need to re explain that to him. If he doesn't want me to destroy the cart then he wont want me to write on it I am sure. Well I guess no point debating it on here...he either excepts that the cart is bad and should be destroyed or does not. If he does not want it destroyed I am concerned over how honest they are...claims never heard of illegal carts existing.

I wonder if anyone knows paypals position on me demanding a refund before returning cart and/or returning destroyed cart and then making sure thats not used as an excuse to not refund me the money.

Re running into a boot...shit happens...worst case is I return cart and get money back. Paid with credit card via paypal so I know cc will cover my back.

Thanks for the support and info
 

Phyeir

My only regret is that I have... Boneitis!
If you wanted to do something more discrete to take out the boot, just get a good static charge and wipe the chips out. Less obvious.
 

trebormills

Quiz Detective
get a UV light.

EDIT:
No need to do anything malicious.... vendor finally agreed to let me destroy and refund in full. I have pics of my fun in gallery of shame
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/album.php?albumid=126

Now concernded over other carts he sent...do they work? Cant test till after weekend :-(

Anyway just got a load of new carts arrive and got scared my puzzle bobble was a fake but it looks pretty similar to following (got it for a good price so was a bit concerned)

http://www.zen96737.zen.co.uk/puzzle_bobble_mixed.htm

Need to find covers for exposed roms as I dont have no covers on mine

This link good for checking re boots
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197353
and
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120255
 
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