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Inner Light, definitely one of my favorite TNG episodes along with the "4 lights" episode but the title of that escapes me at the moment.
 

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Inner Light, definitely one of my favorite TNG episodes along with the "4 lights" episode but the title of that escapes me at the moment.

"Inner Light" was/is an unforgettable episode. I also have that one saved on my DVR. The flute melody that Kamin/Picard plays in the episode is amazing. I always try to listen to it on Youtube.
 

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I absolutely love TNG, but I'm frequently confused at why they cast Marina Sirtis as Deanna Troi... at times she seems like the most wooden actor I've ever seen. I guess I've come to like her though.

She has a nice rack. That's it.

That's one of the reasons I favour DS9 over TNG. TNG has some iconic characters in Data and Picard, but half the cast is worthless. Troi, Crusher, Riker... A lot of them never seemed to do anything, and when they finally did, it was seldom interesting (or in the case of Troi, never interesting). I didn't like all the DS9 crew at first, but by the end, I loved every one of those characters.

Anyways, since we're talking a bit more about TNG now, I'll say that my favourite episodes ever are Best of Both Worlds, the four lights one, and Inner Lights too. I also love the one where Picard is stuck on the planet with the alien who only speaks in metaphor, and some of the Lore episodes (though only a couple of those are good and the rest suck).

I hate all the Troi episodes, like I said (including the abyssmal Lwaxana Troi episodes... jesus fuck), and I really hate Gambit, the one where Picard pretends to be a criminal to acquire a Vulcan artifact. Man, that one sucks. What a useless two parter. Actually, all of season 7 was pretty crappy, except the finale and the one where they focused on the junior officers and their card game. I love those two, but the rest stinks. I liked the one with Spock when I was a kid, but now I find it incredibly unfulfilling. That episode makes no damn sense.

Oddly enough, I can remember more episodes I hate right now rather than ones I love... Go figure. I haven't watched the show in years. Maybe I should try and download it or something.
 

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Cause & Effect and Yesterday's Enterprise are two of my favorites. I love temporal loop issues and the return of Tasha Yar was arguably the most exciting moment of the 3rd season.

Looks like I might have to give that Fleet Captains game a shot.
 

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It's funny to read ninny's bashing of most of the cast, and I agree to some extent, but my favorite episode happens to be "Remember Me," which happens to revolve all around Beverly Crusher - one of the least interesting characters involved with the most interesting premise I feel the show has ever done.
 

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Watching the second to last episode of Enterprise right now on Netflix. I may be in the minority when I type this, but the fact it ended with only four seasons is criminal.
 

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Just finished Enterprise as well. At least it gets a somewhat real ending.

It wasn't a great series, but it wasn't terrible either. A lot of the characters were not that likeable.
 

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It's funny to read ninny's bashing of most of the cast, and I agree to some extent, but my favorite episode happens to be "Remember Me," which happens to revolve all around Beverly Crusher - one of the least interesting characters involved with the most interesting premise I feel the show has ever done.

Well, maybe I was a bit too worked up when I brought it up, but you have to admit that half the crew on the Picard Enterprise was pretty lame. When you think 'best TNG episodes ever,' you're probably not going to cite a Geordi episode.
 

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Well, maybe I was a bit too worked up when I brought it up, but you have to admit that half the crew on the Picard Enterprise was pretty lame. When you think 'best TNG episodes ever,' you're probably not going to cite a Geordi episode.

I think they all have pretty good episodes. Riker had an awesome episode where he found a double of himself that was created when trying to transport off a station. Geordi had a cool episode where Romulans controlled him through his visor to kill the Klingon. Troi had a few, like where she became a jealous bitch and aged 30 years in 2 days or whatever because of that weird dude. If I had to say I was truly disappointed in any one character, it would be Worf. He's supposed to be a badass warrior and he's constantly getting his shit pushed in. I never have any faith that he can protect anybody.
 

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I don't like how ignorant and/or dumb Worf often comes off as seeming to be. I agree that Worf needed to be more badass. Picard was more badass than Worf IMO.
 

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Picard and Data is really where it's at.

Damn right. :)

I think they all have pretty good episodes. Riker had an awesome episode where he found a double of himself that was created when trying to transport off a station. Geordi had a cool episode where Romulans controlled him through his visor to kill the Klingon. Troi had a few, like where she became a jealous bitch and aged 30 years in 2 days or whatever because of that weird dude. If I had to say I was truly disappointed in any one character, it would be Worf. He's supposed to be a badass warrior and he's constantly getting his shit pushed in. I never have any faith that he can protect anybody.

You know, I don't disagree with anything you're saying here (except I think those Troi episodes were pretty crap, but hey), I just think those characters were mostly lame with a few sporadic cool moments, that's all.

I'm with you on Worf, by the way. They never seemed to know what to do with that guy.

But you know what? Worf on DS9 was awesome. They really made him cool, I thought. Yet another reason that show was great. :)
 

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DS9 fo life.
I remember watching a lot of voyager back in the day
simply by the virtue of the network playing reruns late at night.
I never understood everyone's fascination of 7 of 9.
Didn't like the native american number 2 chakotay, didn't like the token black vulcan tuvok,
or anyone else really.
About the only person I did like was the holographic doctor and some of the give and
take of him only existing in medical bay.
There was some neat tie in's with the borg,
but I thought it was a boring entry to the universe.
 
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The Borg in voyager was...dumb.

I think they went with that angle to boost ratings. In trying to "flesh out" the backstory of the Borg they just made the Borg less mysterious and therefor less frightening. But the Borg was on a downhill of awesomeness ever since the advent of the Borg Queen.

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When you think 'best TNG episodes ever,' you're probably not going to cite a Geordi episode.
Maybe not one of the best episodes out of the series, but I recently watched the episode entitled "The Mind's Eye" (which focuses around Geordi La Forge) and man, was it great. Too often, stuff with Romulans gets pushed into ridiculous or pointless territory, but the idea of Romulans using a kidnapped La Forge to start a Federation-Klingon war AND working with a Klingon spy themselves... that's The Next Generation brilliance, my friends.

Some of the The Next Generation episodes are at one time head-shake-worthy and applause-demanding in that, depending on the viewer's mood, the events which drive the story can be uninteresting or truly appealing. Another episode I just watched was a particularly Data-interested episode called "The Ensigns of Command" where Data has to descend to a pre-Federation colony while the Sheliak race prepares to destroy these humans who are illegally on their planet. Basically, the colonists' leader refuses to leave (despite their technological nothingness) and Data meets a hot chick who thinks machines are awesome and helps him try to emotionally convince the people to be rational.

If one just shakes his head and goes "Aw, Lord Roddenberry, why hast thou demanded Data have to be loved once more?" then the whole well-written execution would mean nothing. I think a lot of The Next Generation requires a certain "I'm willing to listen to what you have to say" mentality, and the best ones don't make you suffer through it.
 

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So, general opinion...

I enjoy the Star Trek movie, will I like any of the television series or is the movie like Phantom Menace to Star Wars fans?
 

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It feels like a pretty legit reboot.
I've heard that the second Star Trek movie was going to deal with Khan too.
I'm excited about the next movie whatever the subject matter.
I liked the treatment the last movie got.
Even with all the lens flares all over the place.
 

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I enjoy the Star Trek movie, will I like any of the television series or is the movie like Phantom Menace to Star Wars fans?
(Presuming that you're speaking of the 2009-released Star Trek movie) I'd say that some might suit you and some might not; the greatest deciding factor will be, of course, the "style" of your SF fandom.

Compared to the new movie, the original series might seem kinda cheesy, The Next Generation might seem kinda dry, and Enterprise might be a little too dark and serious. That being said, Deep Space Nine is what I would recommend first-and-foremost to anyone who likes the new movie, as the wide range of personalities and well-developed characters will best-recall the style of current-Hollywood's storytelling style.

I didn't put Voyager on the list because I honestly think it sucks the big one, but it might be entertaining to a fan of the new movie for a while, again because of the range of personalities available (but which may or may not have received enough development to be interesting).
 
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Watching the second to last episode of Enterprise right now on Netflix. I may be in the minority when I type this, but the fact it ended with only four seasons is criminal.

Going way back here, but I really enjoyed Enterprise.

No, it wasn't the quality of the BSG reboot but it was good stuff. It really hit a stride late and could have been great for another season. The Wiki mentions some of the plotlines that they had planned to explore.
 

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The Wiki mentions some of the plotlines that they had planned to explore.

I just read that section, and I feel noticeably angrier than I did just a moment ago. Any one of those ideas would have been great. The Borg Queen idea seems like it has so much potential! But this is all just text on a message board... :(
 

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Alright, I thought I'd come right-out and say it: I've been a dedicated Star Trek fan for probably about fifteen years or so, and I have never seen Encounter At Farpoint.

Now, before you all boo me off of the stage :eek_2: ...

...it's likely for a number of reasons, including 1) that replays of The Next Generation in syndicated television likely did not have the time allocation for a "double long" pilot episode, and thus I never would have had the chance to see it except on VHS or DVD; and 2) I never gave a damn to see this "first episode" because the first season of The Next Generation generally failed to impress me, anyways. Nevertheless, it still arrives as a strange feeling that, after all this time, growing to know and love the characters and settings born from a new generation of Starfleet, I not-once caught a glimpse of what started Star Trek as it is generally known today.

But with all of the hooplah floating around about the new high-definition Blu-Ray versions of The Next Generation being released, I decided to pick-up the sampler disc which includes Encounter At Farpoint and finally, twenty-five years after Jean-Luc Picard and his crew first set-off in the new Galaxy-class starship, get the chance to check this out. :eye:

Of course, being the f'ed-up nerd that I am, just seeing John deLancie in high-definition is worth the price of admission, alone.
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The official Star Trek homepage has reported that IDW will be releasing not one, but three Star Trek-related comic books in the month of July. Honestly, I've never been too interested in franchise-based comic books, but with the chances of new television/motion picture Star Trek stories seemingly nowhere to be found or predictable in the near future, perhaps this might be worth the admission price.

--Then again, maybe not. One book puts the "new Kirk" group in the story of a TOS episode; another is a cross-over with Dr. Who; the third is a Tribbles-related story. I'm not sure how many fans feel the same way, but if one is going to make new stories, then I'd rather read ones which are not directly-based off of a story already made. (The best example would be an entirely new ship and crew, but I'll settle for returning characters and settings as long as the plot is not a shameless rehash.)
 

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The official Star Trek homepage has reported that IDW will be releasing not one, but three Star Trek-related comic books in the month of July. Honestly, I've never been too interested in franchise-based comic books, but with the chances of new television/motion picture Star Trek stories seemingly nowhere to be found or predictable in the near future, perhaps this might be worth the admission price.

--Then again, maybe not. One book puts the "new Kirk" group in the story of a TOS episode; another is a cross-over with Dr. Who; the third is a Tribbles-related story. I'm not sure how many fans feel the same way, but if one is going to make new stories, then I'd rather read ones which are not directly-based off of a story already made. (The best example would be an entirely new ship and crew, but I'll settle for returning characters and settings as long as the plot is not a shameless rehash.)

This post had me pretty excited until I read the second half... Tribbles, 'New' Kirk and a crossover? I don't think that's gonna scratch my Trek itch.

P.S. Skimming over this thread again makes me wonder how long it'll take for STK to start shouting at me and claiming I can't understand his point. :kekeke:
 
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