Obama-McCain '08: ENDGAME (President Obama edition)

[norton9478]

The most entertaining (and pathetically depressing) thing about arguing for "company profits" is that, in general, when profits go up, wages and low-level pay do not follow suit. Layoffs and denial of benefits or wage increases are intended to ensure that, regardless of company performance, those in the higher echelons of the company continue to gain the same amount. Profits are "recouped" by increasing business performance and (unless those aiming to do the "recouping" are willing to openly admit that the company's failures are the fault of the workers punished by their decisions) attacking workers' livelihoods is the pinnacle of arrogant and self-serving greed.

Yep... Corporate/Business profits have little bearing on hiring. It's not like Company X says "WOW the goverment gave us an EXTRA 500k, Lets hire a few more people. Instead it is "lets go on a junket to Milan and lease all our top execs new Jaguars". Or "Lets Buy Company Y, lay off their workers and smash consumer competition". Or some of them just bank it.

Give the middle and lower class a tax break and they buy products, go on vacation or renovate their house. All of which goes right back into the economy and helps support jobs in the USA.

The best case scenario for the wealthy in our consumer economy is to simply empower the working class.

And on the Working Class, John McCain is the first major candidate in recent history to attack the EITC. What a sick fuck. Of course he did not say the words EITC less his joe sixpack supporters actually realize that he is calling them welfare rats.

 

[ViewtifulZFO]

When we're talking the wealthy this is basically an impossibility.

Not necessarily. I'm sure there are plenty of businesses that have gained their prestige and wealth completely by the system - you are just making a hasty generalization.

And that also depends on your definition of "wealthy", which is a whole other argument I don't want to get into.

 

[Loopz]

So Obama cancelled all his appearances for Thursday and Friday because he's flying down to Hawaii to spend time with his gravely sick Grandmother who's 85 years old.

How much do you guys wanna bet that the GOP are gonna put a nasty spin to this and compare it to McCain 'suspending' his campaign?

It's entirely possible, but it would backfire on them big time.
Second thought...I guess that all but assures they'll do it.

 

[norton9478]

You gotta love Drudge...

Last week he featured a TWO WEEK OLD yahoo/ap INTERNET POLL to show the race tightening.

and now this:

 

[ShmengeTravel]

The Nickelodeon thing came in last night.

I know this cause Linda Ellerbee announced it.

Not that I watch Nickelodeon or anything.

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[Neo Alec]

Why would kids only vote 51% Obama? It's wrong, right? There would have to be a lot of redneck kids out there -- those are the only ones who are conservative.

 

[ForeverSublime]

Why would kids only vote 51% Obama? It's wrong, right? There would have to be a lot of redneck kids out there -- those are the only ones who are conservative.

Dumb people have more babies.

 

[bokmeow]

You gotta love Drudge...

Last week he featured a TWO WEEK OLD yahoo/ap INTERNET POLL to show the race tightening.

and now this:

I saw that when my cousin was watching Nickelodeon. Reminds me of that Maher one-liner commenting on 10% of the nation's citizens thinking the country is in the right direction: "What are you smoking, and where can I get some?"

 

[bokmeow]

So Obama cancelled all his appearances for Thursday and Friday because he's flying down to Hawaii to spend time with his gravely sick Grandmother who's 85 years old.

How much do you guys wanna bet that the GOP are gonna put a nasty spin to this and compare it to McCain 'suspending' his campaign?

I don't put it past the GOP to try it, but the last time McCain railed on Obama for taking a break to visit his grandmother, it didn't boost his ratings. However, the GOP are now taking the attitude is, better try every tactic (strategy?) and risk losing, than not try them and wonder if they would have eked out a thin electoral college victory --- or have the Supreme Court give GOP another 4 years.

 

[Lagduf]

Why would kids only vote 51% Obama? It's wrong, right? There would have to be a lot of redneck kids out there -- those are the only ones who are conservative.

Dude I watched Nickelodeon pretty religiously up until the age of TWELVE.

Don't be stupid.

This vote is bullshit, children that young have no understanding of politics and are just going to pick who there parents have talked about.

If anything it's indicative of the fact that it's still a slight race with a slight edge going towards Obama - assuming the children's votes are of course mirroring who their parents are voting for.

But again you're only sampling those voters with children who also have Nickelodeon.

Statistics are bullshit lie.

 

[ShmengeTravel]

This vote is bullshit, children that young have no understanding of politics and are just going to pick who there parents have talked about.

If anything it's indicative of the fact that it's still a slight race with a slight edge going towards Obama

That's what bothers me, the fact that there's a slight edge between the two.

I had no idea that we were this stupid. Then again, he did get a second term.


Who's up for a third?

 

[evil wasabi]

After all this tax money is taken, it is well known that over a BILLION of tax revenue is lost

a generous estimate if we're talking about the past 8 years.

 

[ShmengeTravel]

http://straighttalk.ytmnd.com/

 

[Lagduf]

That's what bothers me, the fact that there's a slight edge between the two.

I had no idea that we were this stupid. Then again, he did get a second term.


Who's up for a third?

Oh please son.

Get real.

If Obama wins this election it's not going to be a mandate by any means. It will be rather close, just like in '00 and '04.

How are those number unexpected for you? I mean, say to "I had no idea that we were this stupid" shows you are just as out of touch with America as are the fucking whackjob republicans you rail against.

 

[Lagduf]

Canada is a one of the U.S. greatest allies. Clean safe country and have visited it a couple of times. It is the 2nd largest country in the world but only has 33,143,610 Million people. The U.S. has 300 Million. That's a lot more people to protect, and we have a much larger and more powerful military budget to do so.

The US military is composed of almost 3 million personnel. Canada has 62,000 military personnel. Just look at the scale of things here. I mean the Canadian Navy 9000 people, 33 surface ships, four submarines. The U.S has 332,000 personnel, 280 ships, 3,700 aircraft.

The Canadian Defense budget for 2008 was a lil over 18 Billion. The U.S. spent $515.4 billion. Canada enjoys it is border with the United States and understands that it is largest trading partner will protect them. That's just how it is.

Canada is a sovereign state.

As such it is more than capable of defending itself and indeed it has the necessary infrastructure and manpower to do so.

I'm fully aware of the capabilities of the US military and the amount of money we spend on defense, thank you.

Canada does not need the United States to defend it. The United States does not "protect" Canada as you presume to say it does.

Coming to their aid in a time of need is a far cry from "defending" Canada (which has never happened).

You insult Canada in your supposition that they are children who must be protected by their strong father, the United States. You embarrass the United States as well when you make such claims.

You are the type of Nationalist who would buy in to Fascism.

 

[dullbuoy]

L-O-L who the fuck would even get angry at Canada.

 

[J. Max]

I wish people would stop quoting the troll. He really is on my ignore list, but I can't ignore him when people keep quoting him...

 

[Lagduf]

Well for one Canada benefits from our Missle Defense System. The Defense budget for Canada is far smaller then it would have needed to be if the United States wasn't a dominant military force.

I'll give you the missile defense, yes - but realistically in the post cold war era the chance of a missile strike by another state is...slim to none.

The part I bolded though, just no dude. You could say the same thing about any stable country who is bordered only by other, friendly, stable countries. Their defense budget is smaller because they aren't at risk for an immediate attack by any of their neighbor states.

You could say the same of most states in Western Europe.

The Canadians use their army primarily for self defense. They don't romp around the globe executing dozens of military actions every year like the United States. Nor do they have bases around the world, like the United States. I guess thats why their defense budget isn't in the hundreds of billions.

One thing Canada may have issue with is Russia once those Caps start melting and you can send a ship over the pole. It Seems Russia has already claimed this territory and it MAY be Canadian property. I wonder how well Canada would do against Russia in that situation?

This is just paranoid and frankly delusional.

Gee I guess they better watch out for China too because of the coming war between the West and China

Keep up that hate and fear mongering.

GO GO IMPERIALISM!

 

[Zero Satori]

The Defense budget for Canada is far smaller then it would have needed to be if the United States wasn't a dominant military force.

This statement and the entire argument attached to it assumes that Canada somehow needs to defend itself as much as the United States does. Even a schoolchild can understand the premise that, because Canada doesn't go hopping around the world interjecting itself into everyone else's business like the United States does (Palestine, Iran, Columbia, Vietnam, Korea, Chechnya--the list goes on) they're not earning as many enemies from which to defend themselves.

OMFG! Monaco needs to spend billions of dollars to defend itself! Why?! Because the USA does it! Once again, Frightful Troll, your logic is faulty in that it is so self-centred that it somehow manages to ignore that one hundred percent of the post-industrial world is in a better situation socially, economically, and diplomatically without the need for such a strong military.

 

[Lagduf]

This statement and the entire argument attached to it assumes that Canada somehow needs to defend itself as much as the United States does. Even a schoolchild can understand the premise that, because Canada doesn't go hopping around the world interjecting itself into everyone else's business like the United States does (Palestine, Iran, Columbia, Vietnam, Korea, Chechnya--the list goes on) they're not earning as many enemies from which to defend themselves.

OMFG! Monaco needs to spend billions of dollars to defend itself! Why?! Because the USA does it! Once again, Frightful Troll, your logic is faulty in that it is so self-centred that it somehow manages to ignore that one hundred percent of the post-industrial world is in a better situation socially, economically, and diplomatically without the need for such a strong military.

I already said all this.

 

[Zero Satori]

I already said all this.

Have a cookie, sport.

 

[ShmengeTravel]

Oh please son.

Get real.

If Obama wins this election it's not going to be a mandate by any means. It will be rather close, just like in '00 and '04.

How are those number unexpected for you? I mean, say to "I had no idea that we were this stupid" shows you are just as out of touch with America as are the fucking whackjob republicans you rail against.

Way to contradict yourself in your own post.

Maybe you're right. Maybe I am out of touch. Did Bush completely LIE 90% of the time he was campaigning in '00 and '04? If he did then I sincerely apologize.

 

[evil wasabi]

Well for one Canada benefits from our Missle Defense System. The Defense budget for Canada is far smaller then it would have needed to be if the United States wasn't a dominant military force. One thing Canada may have issue with is Russia once those Caps start melting and you can send a ship over the pole. It Seems Russia has already claimed this territory and it MAY be Canadian property. I wonder how well Canada would do against Russia in that situation?

when has any country benefited from a missile defense system?

 

[OrochiEddie]

Thank god for our missiles for real, I mean, for real. You see the reason we have missiles is because England is still up to something. The moment we let our guard down they're going to come back and reclaim the colonies. Do you want that!? Do you want to lose our Colonies? And then Mexico, you know what is with the illegals, it's a fucking plot. One day Sant Anna will rise from his grave and blow the whistle and at that moment 10 billion million border jumpers will begin to invade Texas, they will take it, and all the jobs within Texas, all our great oil and chili...gone fucking gone man. You know WHY it's going to happen? Because we kept giving that fucking government money, just kept handing over my hard earned money. Y'know my neighbor he lost his job and now his home, but that is his own fault. Welfare is for pussies, complete fucking pussies.

I need some American Guitar and a coors light....

 

[OrochiEddie]

when has any country benefited from a missile defense system?

I guess you've never seen the sum of all fears...
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