Obama-McCain '08: ENDGAME (President Obama edition)

[El_Duque]

Prop 4 AKA Sarah's Law, would prohibit abortion for unemancipated minors until 48 hours after physician notifies minor’s parent, legal guardian or, if parental abuse has been reported, an alternative adult family member.

Prop 8 would recognize gay marriages in the state and all married gay couples would receive the same benefits as a regular married couple.

Oops, Prop 8 is the other way around. It would prolong the ban of gay marriage. Sorry if there was any confusion. A yes vote is to continue the ban and a no vote would make gay marriage legal in the state of California.

 

[OrochiEddie]

 

[striderpunk]

Barack The Magnificent - The Mighty Sparrow

 

[Lagduf]

Do you subscribe to the North Atlantic Ice Edge Immigration Theory or the South Pacific crossing?

I'm still partial to the Bering land bridge but possibly an earlier crossing than the generally accepted 12k years ago. Maybe when it was opened at 30k+. Either way I don't think it completely accounts for the near instantaneous dispersal of stone tool cultures around 12.5K years ago through both North and South America. Information like tool shapes travels faster if groups are already established. People move slow and aren't likely to walk all the way to the tip of south america if they find decent land before they make it through California.

If at 30k then do you think the migration down in to South America was extremely slow?

Even if groups moved at a rate of a mile a year it would not have taken too long (in the grand scheme of things) to reach the tip of South America.

But then again, i'm not familiar with any kind of rates of migration from Nomadic (non sedentary) persons.

It seems to me that moving through the southern United States and then quite a bit of Mexico would have sucked a lot given the desert like conditions. But then again people lived in the middle east and Egypt (although conditions have changed their since 12,000 years ago).

Anthropology FTMFW.

 

[norton9478]

Do you subscribe to the North Atlantic Ice Edge Immigration Theory or the South Pacific crossing?

I'm still partial to the Bering land bridge but possibly an earlier crossing than the generally accepted 12k years ago. Maybe when it was opened at 30k+. Either way I don't think it completely accounts for the near instantaneous dispersal of stone tool cultures around 12.5K years ago through both North and South America. Information like tool shapes travels faster if groups are already established. People move slow and aren't likely to walk all the way to the tip of south america if they find decent land before they make it through California.

I think that people been cumming and going to this continent from all over forever....

Too much evidence in most theories but no theory can explain everything.

And ohh yeah, the earth is 6000 years old.

 

[Lagduf]

I think that people been cumming and going to this continent from all over forever....

I'll agree to that Norton.

People have been cumming ever since they arrived on this continent. No doubt about that little fact in my mind at all.

 

[HeartlessNinny]

I apologize for feeding the trolls.

Well, as long as you don't do it again...

As a side note, let me point out: that dumbass isn't just a run-of-the-mill troll. He was the most dreaded type of all trolls — the type that actually believes his own bullshit. Chilling.

 

[OrochiEddie]

Found this pic funny:

oh the deep south.... you so silly

 

[evil wasabi]

lol.

 

[Loopz]

BRING IT BACK.

 

[norton9478]

My advice for Obama's closing speech tomorrow night:

"I remember seeing and independent John McCain fight the agents of intolerance in 2000. I have for 4 years served with John McCain in the Senate.... And you sir are no John McCain".

 

[aria]

My advice for Obama's closing speech tomorrow night:

"I remember seeing and independent John McCain fight the agents of intolerance in 2000. I have for 4 years served with John McCain in the Senate.... And you sir are no John McCain".

that would actually be pretty funny, but probably flop on the "undecided voter" --a person who does not hold strong opinions and genuinely likes the way candidates talk and act in the final 6 months of an election.

 

[norton9478]

that would actually be pretty funny, but probably flop on the "undecided voter" --a person who does not hold strong opinions and genuinely likes the way candidates talk and act in the final 6 months of an election.

Yeah, I was trying to figure out how to word it...

But the Obama Campaign really needs to find a way to supplement the running narrative with evidence that the current John McCain is NOT the same guy as he was 5 years ago.

I mean, I never thought I'd have so much disdain for the man..... He has run the same playbook as Atwater/Rove....

Bonus Prize:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj-on3kfWuE&feature=related

Personally, I am waiting for a video of Palin taking up the holy ghost (speaking in tongues)... I guess the closest we will get is the gibberish that she spouted in a Couric Interview. *Rimshot

 

[caleb1883]

quoting fox news is as credible as quoting the onion

How about the Washington Times then?

http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/oct/01/pelosis-pac-pays-bills-for-spouses-firm/

You can't deny the facts just because you hate Fox news. Fox is claiming the stock market fell below 10,000 points for the first time in four years.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/european-turmoil-hits-stock-futures/

It's obviously not true because it came from Fox. The stock market is doing just fine. Sell now and make a huge profit.

 

[norton9478]

How about the Washington Times then?

http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/oct/01/pelosis-pac-pays-bills-for-spouses-firm/

You can't deny the facts just because you hate Fox news. Fox is claiming the stock market fell below 10,000 points for the first time in four years.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/european-turmoil-hits-stock-futures/

It's obviously not true because it came from Fox. The stock market is doing just fine. Sell now and make a huge profit.

I'll quote Foxnews before I quote the Washington Times. Fuck that, I'll quote the NY POST before the WT. WT is just as bad... It just has one name going for its self... The Name... WASHINGTON+TIMES. Mixing up the WT and the WP is like mixing up the NY Giants and the NY Titans

Either way, both the Fox and WT articles are scant on substance.... Not really enough detailed information for me to draw a conclusion. Not saying it's false... Just saying that it's pretty vague...

As for the ethics of it all... I will say the issue is potentially "Problematic" and not the behavior that I like to see in congressional leadership. I mean she did get the bill banning it passed... But it died in the Senate. What's a sistah to do?

As for your conclusion that such behavior will also be indicative of an Obama adminsitraion... I do not see the validity in this instance....

 

[evil wasabi]

How about the Washington Times then?

http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/oct/01/pelosis-pac-pays-bills-for-spouses-firm/

You can't deny the facts just because you hate Fox news. Fox is claiming the stock market fell below 10,000 points for the first time in four years.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/european-turmoil-hits-stock-futures/

It's obviously not true because it came from Fox. The stock market is doing just fine. Sell now and make a huge profit.

The Washington Times? No one in DC reads the Washington Times. They might as well be quoting the Onion instead.

 

[galfordo]

I'll agree to that Norton.

People have been cumming ever since they arrived on this continent. No doubt about that little fact in my mind at all.

 

[bokmeow]

How about the Washington Times then?

LOL

 

[caleb1883]

The Washington Times? No one in DC reads the Washington Times. They might as well be quoting the Onion instead.

So this statement is not true then?

"Financial Leasing Services Inc. (FLS), owned by Paul F. Pelosi, has received $99,000 in rent, utilities and accounting fees from the speaker's "PAC to the Future" over the PAC's nine-year history."

You must have all the answers. If this is not true, what are the real facts behind it? I'm sure you have them, and sources to back it up.

But we all know you don't. The Washington Post, which you seem to hate, does have credible sources, and facts. Where as you, are full of hot air.

 

[norton9478]

So this statement is not true then?

"Financial Leasing Services Inc. (FLS), owned by Paul F. Pelosi, has received $99,000 in rent, utilities and accounting fees from the speaker's "PAC to the Future" over the PAC's nine-year history."

Nobody said that it isn't true... Only that your quote lacks context...

By my estimate, rent sucks up $72,000 of that....

That leave $22,000 over 9 years...

Roughly $2,500 per year.

 

[caleb1883]

Nobody said that it isn't true... Only that your quote lacks context...

By my estimate, rent sucks up $72,000 of that....

That leave $22,000 over 9 years...

Roughly $2,500 per year.

Go back and read the article. And denying the credibility of the source presenting the facts, is just like denying the facts. Basically Pelosi is engaging in an activity she supported banning last year. She probably kept the amount low to avoid any attention. According to the article, she has been increasing the payments lately.

"The payments have quadrupled since Mr. Pelosi took over as treasurer of his wife's committee in 2007, Federal Election Commission records show. FLS is on track to take in $48,000 in payments this year alone - eight times as much as it received annually from 2000 to 2005, when the committee was run by another treasurer."

 

[norton9478]

Go back and read the article. And denying the credibility of the source presenting the facts, is just like denying the facts. Basically Pelosi is engaging in an activity she supported banning last year. She probably kept the amount low to avoid any attention. According to the article, she has been increasing the payments lately.

You are spinning in circles bro... I never DENIED the credibility of the facts... I just expressed doubts about the presentation. And questioned context.

"The payments have quadrupled since Mr. Pelosi took over as treasurer of his wife's committee in 2007, Federal Election Commission records show. FLS is on track to take in $48,000 in payments this year alone - eight times as much as it received annually from 2000 to 2005, when the committee was run by another treasurer."

Previously, the rent was $500. An undermarket sweetheart deal. That in it's self might be a real ethics violation.

Well, $9,000 of that $48,000 is back rent for 2007. So it's only $39,000 for 2008. $15,000 of that is current rent... Leaving $24,000

Other questions that need to be answered.
1. The treasurer position was previously volunteer, does the "Massive" increase include duties now performed und FLS?

2. Is FLS justified in asking for more $$$ now that the PAC has grown substantially since 2006? Has FLS's responsibilities increased?

3. Did Pelosi do anything that violated the House Ethics Rules?

 

[evil wasabi]

So this statement is not true then?

"Financial Leasing Services Inc. (FLS), owned by Paul F. Pelosi, has received $99,000 in rent, utilities and accounting fees from the speaker's "PAC to the Future" over the PAC's nine-year history."

You must have all the answers. If this is not true, what are the real facts behind it? I'm sure you have them, and sources to back it up.

But we all know you don't. The Washington Post, which you seem to hate, does have credible sources, and facts. Where as you, are full of hot air.

How do you get the idea I hate the Washington Post?

And why are you forcing your points here?

 

[OrochiEddie]

 

[norton9478]

How do you get the idea I hate the Washington Post?

Just a guess:

The Washington Times?.... They might as well be quoting the Onion instead.