Obama-McCain '08: ENDGAME (President Obama edition)

norton9478

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Any good libertarian should not believe that there in a difference between Legal and Illegal immigration. The best employee should be able to work regardless of their citizenship or origin. The goverment should be able to put any restrictions on this labor pool.

Of course, this isn't my position, Its my interpretation of Laissez-faire capitalism.

As far as National Language is concerned... What's the point? We made it this far. What's next? Making the right hand the official hand for shaking hands. (I shake with my left hand in some instances)

And people in many states were speaking French or Spanish long before they were speaking English. And before that, they were speaking other languages.


Putting Coleman next to a picture of Bush at the end of the ad was a nice sting.

Best Franken line was right at the outset of the campaign....
If I do run against Norm Coleman in '08, I'll be the only New York Jew in the race who actually grew up in Minnesota."
 
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OrochiEddie

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Any good libertarian should not believe that there in a difference between Legal and Illegal immigration. The best employee should be able to work regardless of their citizenship or origin.

Our best employees aren't legal citizens.

I've worked with illegals for a landscaping company, they're fucking dynamos, workaholics, and the most reliable work source you can get. Try spending 3 months with those guys and your view will completely change.

Illegals Were, Are, and Will be the supporting back bone of America, and trying to deport them will destroy the American economy because 90% of all stupid white people refuse to work the jobs illegals do.

We should instead create programs to better incorporate them.
 

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EDIT:
FREE BONUS(Didn't want to make a consecutive post):
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I laughed at the Sarah Palin comparison, but couldn't they have picked a generic toy model train? It's an insult to Thomas the Tank Engine.
 

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Am I the only one who doesn't think American was founded only by English speakers?
 

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Am I the only one who doesn't think American was founded only by English speakers?

I don't think that will hold any purchase with conservatives, wasabi --- the power of accepted history.
 

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Well that's what the war was about. There wasn’t any laws back then except what was given by the Crown. We fought for independence and became our own country, that's usually how it works. They aren't just handing these things out unless another war is waged and the land is given (Israel)

I don't know what you're getting at and frankly I find your written arguments difficult to understand.

I'm well aware of what the revolution was about.

Identity sir, Identity, without it you are not a country. Some Monarchies work well. England had a good run and still use it to this day (figurehead or not they have pull). Here is a list of other functioning Monarchies http://www.cosmoedu.net/monarchies.html

Our identity, as an American people, comes from the Constitution and the set of shared political beliefs that we derive from it.

It isn't a common ethnic heritage or shared cultural experience and it most certainly isn't a language.

I don't care if other countries derive their "identity" from the the citizenry's ethnicity or traditional cultural values. That has no bearing on a larger American identity.

Monarchies are illegitimate forms of government. That is my opinion on the matter, always has been, and always will be. Read Common Sense for an in depth look at the illegitimacy of that form of governance.


Socialist as bad as it is IMHO also identifies a country; China for instance is becoming a world power under this regime. The point is you are attacking the values of other nations and did not address the issues at hand, IDENTITY. Hate speech IS illegal in this country. Get into a fight, make sure you shout some ethnic slurs while you are at it, BAM, hate crime. Say the N-Word? Lose your job. Affirmative action solely based on race and not ability or content of character. We are slowly becoming socialist, we just bailed out a FREE Market with tax payer’s money and we did not get to vote on it. We also placed limits on trading in the market; that is not free. Your argument is not making any sense.

No, hate speech isn't illegal. Your argument is garbage.

Starting a fight is already an illegal action. End of story. Calling that person a racial slur is probably only going to get you in more trouble if the court deems that you attack solely based on reason of prejudice. If thats not why the fight started, it's not a hate crime, but then again...what you're talking about is already an illegal action.

I can say nigger all i want at work. I can scream it at the top of my lungs. But my boss can fire me if me screaming nigger is against the conditions in which he chose to hire me. Thats his fucking prerogative since my working their isn't a right, and my employment their is conditional on the rules i agreed to follow when I agreed to be hired their in the first place. I bet if I worked for the KKK i could scream nigger as much as I wanted to.

You have no understanding of the concept of free speech.


It's a link in the chain, and a BIG one. FRANCE=French, Russia=Russian, China=Chinese, Japan=Japanese......You get my point? Founded by English speaking peoples, we cannot have multiple languages as a country, one country, one language. Enough with all this tolerance.

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None of those countries were founded in the manner that the United States of America was. At the time of the actual founding America was very diverse from an ethnic, cultural, and linguistic standpoint. Even the founders knew and recognized that.

Under your logic our language should be American :kekeke: but since the majority of us speak English I guess that makes us English? Quick someone call up the Queen.


Nationalism FOUNDED this country. No B.S. about that. Illegal immigration is just that, illegal, what’s wrong about speaking against that?

No, this country was founded on reason.

We weren't founded until almost 14 years after the Revolution had ended and the Treaty of Paris was signed.

There was no overall feeling of National Unity, not until well after the Constitution was written. The articles of confederation was just that, a confederation of 13 sovereign states (countries). I think we even had a war, a Civil War - so much for your conceptions about National Unity.

You don't know what you are talking about.

Nothing is wrong about speaking against illegal immigration. But the speaker in question was bigoted.
 
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Am I the only one who doesn't think American was founded only by English speakers?

I hope not.

It's apparent that far too many people think this country was founded by English speaking baptists.
 

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Well that's what the war was about. There wasn’t any laws back then except what was given by the Crown. We fought for independence and became our own country, that's usually how it works. They aren't just handing these things out unless another war is waged and the land is given (Israel)




Identity sir, Identity, without it you are not a country. Some Monarchies work well. England had a good run and still use it to this day (figurehead or not they have pull). Here is a list of other functioning Monarchies http://www.cosmoedu.net/monarchies.html


Socialist as bad as it is IMHO also identifies a country; China for instance is becoming a world power under this regime. The point is you are attacking the values of other nations and did not address the issues at hand, IDENTITY. Hate speech IS illegal in this country. Get into a fight, make sure you shout some ethnic slurs while you are at it, BAM, hate crime. Say the N-Word? Lose your job. Affirmative action solely based on race and not ability or content of character. We are slowly becoming socialist, we just bailed out a FREE Market with tax payer’s money and we did not get to vote on it. We also placed limits on trading in the market; that is not free. Your argument is not making any sense.



Agreed, how about we step up border patrols, attack (financially) ANY AND ALL business that hire them and property owners who rent to them....Oh wait that's racist :shame:




It's a link in the chain, and a BIG one. FRANCE=French, Russia=Russian, China=Chinese, Japan=Japanese......You get my point?
America=American?


Also, are you telling me that China only has one official language?
Is Chinese even a language?
 

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I apologize for feeding the trolls.

In other news, i'm voting NO on Missouri Constitutional Amendment 1 which seeks to make "English as the official language for all government meetings where public business is discussed or decided or where public policy is formulate."

I'm voting against it for the reasons i've made clear and also because i'm opposed to all pieces of so called Super Legislation. I hate when our legislature uses the constitution as their playground.

Once this gets in to our State Constitution (I'll bet good money this passes) it will never get repealed. Not unless someone successfully brings a suit against the state but ultimately I see the issue of any sort of State or National language(s) being decided at the national level by the Supreme Court of the United States.
 

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I hope not.

It's apparent that far too many people think this country was founded by English speaking baptists.

I thought America was founded by the Chinese/Asian people who crossed into Alaska? :confused:

EDIT: Any other Cali voters in here? What's your take on Prop 4 and 8?
 

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I thought America was founded by the Chinese/Asian people who crossed into Alaska? :confused:

EDIT: Any other Cali voters in here? What's your take on Prop 4 and 8?

The United States of America wasn't.

I don't know what you're talking about.

Unless you're trying to say the indigenous people from across the Bering Strait founded "America."

They didn't found anything, except their own civilizations, which the colonists and settlers from the Old World promptly sough to destroy (in order to get their land).

No one is in dispute that the Americans (of the United States variety) conquered and displaced the Native peoples of North America through armed aggression in part prompted by a clash of cultures.

The Colombian Exchange didn't help the natives out much either.
 

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The United States of America wasn't.

I don't know what you're talking about.

Unless you're trying to say the indigenous people from across the Bering Strait founded "America."

Thanks for correcting, yeah I was thinking about the first people on this land.
 

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Pssssssst: You're supposed to tell us about the CA props, since us non CA peeps don't know about them :D
 

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In other news, i'm voting NO on Missouri Constitutional Amendment 1 which seeks to make "English as the official language for all government meetings where public business is discussed or decided or where public policy is formulate.".

If it passes, will St. Louis Be renamed St Lewis?
 

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I don't know what that noob is rambling about but if Lagduf is rebutting him, then I'm sure I'm on Lagduf's side and I don't have to bother reading all of that drivel he posted.
 

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I don't know what that noob is rambling about but if Lagduf is rebutting him, then I'm sure I'm on Lagduf's side and I don't have to bother reading all of that drivel he posted.

I was drawn in to a trap lithy :(

I know better than to feed the animals.

But once drawn in, I couldn't escape, for fear of "conceding" to the n00b.

Of course, not that anyone actually "wins" debates on the internet.
 

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Most native americans (indians) in the USA didn't come from Asia.
 

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I was drawn in to a trap lithy :(

I know better than to feed the animals.

But once drawn in, I couldn't escape, for fear of "conceding" to the n00b.

Of course, not that anyone actually "wins" debates on the internet.

From what I skimmed, anti-immigrant xenophobia and national language debates are some of the most un-American things ever proposed.

Every generation has its own immigrant fears that some new and populous group will never assimilate, yet they always do. At least the Irish did, and they managed to not turn Washington D.C. into Vatican City Jr., nor overrun the country with their families of 18 kids.

Almost all second-generation Mexican children speak English even if they speak Spanish at home and by the third or fourth generation they are unlikely to speak Spanish at all.

English is largely a de-facto official language but making it official is retarded.
 

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Pssssssst: You're supposed to tell us about the CA props, since us non CA peeps don't know about them :D

Prop 4 AKA Sarah's Law, would prohibit abortion for unemancipated minors until 48 hours after physician notifies minor’s parent, legal guardian or, if parental abuse has been reported, an alternative adult family member.

Prop 8 would recognize gay marriages in the state and all married gay couples would receive the same benefits as a regular married couple.
 

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Most native americans (indians) in the USA didn't come from Asia.

Do you subscribe to the North Atlantic Ice Edge Immigration Theory or the South Pacific crossing?

I'm still partial to the Bering land bridge but possibly an earlier crossing than the generally accepted 12k years ago. Maybe when it was opened at 30k+. Either way I don't think it completely accounts for the near instantaneous dispersal of stone tool cultures around 12.5K years ago through both North and South America. Information like tool shapes travels faster if groups are already established. People move slow and aren't likely to walk all the way to the tip of south america if they find decent land before they make it through California.
 

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Found this pic funny:

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If real:
Obviously a good sarcastic social commentary... And not to be taken seriously.

But I'd never do something like that...
The wrong type of people wouldn't get the JOKE.
 
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