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Obama-McCain '08: ENDGAME (President Obama edition)
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It should honestly be illegal for Fox to call themselves "fair and balanced"
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The old man in the back puts his hand up for McCain then his wife makes him put it down. Hilarious. It's almost as funny as the reporter, who we see off to the side raise his hand to vote for McCain. Yeah, definately fair and balanced.
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You know, that's why I hate the process so much these days. I may be a dyed-in-the-wool liberal, but I don't hate conservatives on principle. Obviously, I disagree, but as long as there isn't any virtiol being bandied about, I tend to get along well with people who are even staunchly conservative (one of my old roommates fit that bill pretty well, and we got along great, had great arguments).
What I'm saying is this: people who watch Fox News don't care that it's obviously biased. In fact, that's a big selling point for them, presumably.
On the other hand, you could argue that shows like, say, The Daily Show are Obama-leaning. But the people that watch it probably are unperturbed by this.
Discussion is dead, democracy suffers. That's just how it is. And honestly, I don't see this getting any better any time soon — only worse and worse.
Yay.
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HeartlessNinny
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Yeah, 'cause in times of peril, you want to go with the craziest guy in the room.
Oh. Wait...
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The true wonder of this post is the juxtaposition of an entire "news" network with a popular "comedy" show coming-up with very little difference.
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I do not approve of his invoking of the memory of Thomas Paine and Common Sense to further his own political agenda, since truthfully, it's got not a damned thing to do with Paine.
Also, he's [the guy in the video] crazy.
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It's just an example of bias, that's all. Besides, a lot of people actually get their news from The Daily Show. I don't think it's a busted comparison at all.
Either way, I stand by my point. Bias isn't something bad anymore, it's something that people actually seek out.
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People watch what they want to hear/see.
I don't really care if Fox News is biased. I just don't watch it.
Actually, I don't get cable, satellite, or even OTA channels.
I just use the internet a lot.
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I think that guy needs to have his eyeglasses prescription refilled...
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the Ying Yang Twins just added a new member:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFibmFLWmC0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r8hhShMyZw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFibmFLWmC0
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How much time do you have, seriously? Because the list is huge.
Ron Paul was competing for votes in the Republican primary, but he wasn't willing to pander for the conservative evangelical vote --- besides, evangelicals can smell out pretenders like cocaine dogs sniff out smack at the airport. He wouldn't say feel good stuff about U.S. as a force of good, instead he plied the history of U.S.'s history of propping up dictators or changing regimes in the world --- no diehard Republican would stand for that history lesson, instead embracing the conservative ideologically accepted history. He pointed out the roots of 9/11 had its origins in the Soviet campaign in Afghanistan, when CIA crafted a middle east Vietnam toward the aim of bankrupting the Soviet Union --- and is subsequently savaged by Rudy "I'm the Mayor of 9/11" Giuliani in the debates. His old newsletters, as pointed out, do him no favors. He's never achieved significant name recognition, despite the numerous DIY "Whoisronpaul" paper signs, or the record internet fundraising records that was supposed to help him dominate the news cycle. Those are just a few of the reasons.
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Well, yeah. That's what I'm saying.
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Go watch the Richard Linklater movie, Slacker...
Your library should have it... If they don't, make them buy it. It's Linklater's best movie... And it's straight up Early 90's... Really took me back.
There is a good deal of talk about quasi-fringe movements in the movie... And there is even a Ron Paul Billboard (or was it a truck?) in the background.
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I don't mean to sound condescending (really, I don't), but I'd like Ron Paul a lot more if he wasn't batshit crazy.
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He invokes the name and character of Thomas Paine to further his own political agenda when what he states, in fact, has nothing to do with what Thomas Paine ever fought for. That enough is reason for me to not give a fuck about this douche. His anti-immigrant bullshit is hilarious, when Thomas Paine himself was an immigrant only coming to the colonies in 1774.
Most of his rant was simply bigoted. Of course, he tries to hide this and argue that those who wish to retain some of their culture are un-American. He equates retaining ones culture with a desire to not assimilate.
He is simply dead wrong on what "unifies" American citizens together, but again, calling immigrants un-American by saying their desire to retain some of their ethnic and cultural heritage doesn't foster unity is really just a clever way to make it so it looks like his argument is somewhat logical, when really it is just bigoted. At its core his argument was just anti-multicultural and anti-immigrant propaganda.
To go into more depth on this issue: His supposition that immigrants don't want to assimilate is absurd. Keep in mind i'm talking about legal ones, not illegals. Furthermore his supposition that "English" IS or should be the unifying factor amongst all Americans is completely absurd. In fact, the bullshit he is spouting out is un-American.
America is unified by a set of shared political beliefs derived from the revolutionary era - first enshrined in the Declaration of Independence and later put IN TO LAW in the Constitution of the United States of America. The United States of America is not unified because of the language her citizens speak, or by their religion, or race, and not by any other factor except a shared political belief of the right to: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
This is what holds us together. The knowledge that no matter how different we all are that we'll all get equal justice under the law.
The funny part is that he does touch on the fact that we should simply think of ourselves as "Americans" and nothing else, and I agree with that. But as I stated above his "unifying" factors are all bullshit. We can be multicultural and an extremely diverse people, which we are, and still be unified. A shared political belief is stronger than any sort of heritage IMO.
Foreign Aid and illegal immigration are different matters all together that, yes, he does touch on, but the crux of his rant was his bigoted bullshit.
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Just out of curiosity, about how old are you?
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*high-five*
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I still don't get to this day why the SOCalled Libertarians are for closing the borders*...
There is nothing Libertarian about it.....
Libertarians are supposed to believe in the free labor market. Anybody who shows up and can do the best job for the cheapest pay is supposed to be able to.
Anyhow, I think Ron Paul threw any remaining credibility in the toilet when he singularly endorsed the Constitution Party Candidate... Those people are batshit crazy... Take the worst of Libertarian and Right wing Philosophy and mix them togeter... That's what the Constitution Party is all about.
*Actually, I DO get why they are for closing the borders (to maintain the current ethnic status quo), I just don't get how they can still call themselves Libertarians....
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I really hope that Franken wins... Cspan will be awesome!
There is nothing Libertarian about it.....
Libertarians are supposed to believe in the free labor market. Anybody who shows up and can do the best job for the cheapest pay is supposed to be able to.
Anyhow, I think Ron Paul threw any remaining credibility in the toilet when he singularly endorsed the Constitution Party Candidate... Those people are batshit crazy... Take the worst of Libertarian and Right wing Philosophy and mix them togeter... That's what the Constitution Party is all about.
*Actually, I DO get why they are for closing the borders (to maintain the current ethnic status quo), I just don't get how they can still call themselves Libertarians....
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I really hope that Franken wins... Cspan will be awesome!
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I do love al franken....and bullet trains.
Wish we had some decent trains here in the states.
Wish we had some decent trains here in the states.
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There was no such thing as illegal immigration in the 18th and 17th centuries
(unless you want to say the whole thing was illegal, since it was NA land to begin with...) so really your point doesn't make sense. A lot of people came to the colonies to exploit how "good" they had it over here and then they didn't even want to pay their taxes either! Holy shit they were called Patriots.
Some European countries have monarchies, maybe we should get a King too? Some European countries are socialist. Maybe we should be a welfare state too? Some European countries heavily restrict the ownership of firearms. Maybe we should do that too? Some European countries make "hate" speech illegal. Maybe we should do that too?
The problem with illegal immigrants are that employers will hire them. Boom. Case Closed. Don't hire illegals.
Language is a unifying factor, yes, however - it's not the factor that binds Americans together, nor should it be. I never said language wasn't a unifying factor, but continue to put words in my mouth if you like.
Foreign Aid and illegal immigration is the main basis of his argument, I don't understand why you would call it bigoted, he is a nationalist. If we started taxing the illegal’s and immigrants here, and we stopped giving aid to foreign countries, we could pay off our financial emergency bailout in a year or two. These issues stem from the fact that this country is NOT unified.
Watch out for these guys
I already explained this. His "nationalist" bullshit was just anti-immigrant propaganda wrapped up in the guise of "pro-america/nationalist" argument.
LOL @ Nationalism.
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That's obvious to everyone except our buddy here. I don't think he's gonna listen to you, 'Duffman.
Here's some more fuel for the fire though, 'cause I can't resist (
): exactly why the hell do you need a national language, anyways? Are you afraid that someone is gonna take over while you sleep one night, and suddenly force everyone to speak Portugese? Oh, wait! I get it. You're afraid those filthy Mexicans are gonna keep having more kids than you, and they're gonna infect your morals and values with their filthy filthy ways. Give me a break. It's just xenophobic and bigoted rhetoric.
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Don't screw with an ex-SNL writer (from back when it was good). You'll lose. Attacking on the issues or character is one thing, but don't make stuff up or leave yourself open for satire or you'll get blasted.