Neo Geo X Gold System details and price announced!

SetaSouji??

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I assume you don't understand how an option/license agreement works.

You would assume wrong, I 100% know how it works.

agreement works. Tommo/Blaze doesn't have to actually buy licenses to the new games in order to announce them.

Yes they do, otherwise it's classified as false advertising.

All they have to do is negotiate an option with SNK for a small percentage of the actual license fee up front and then pay the full purchase price upon some set date or event in order to have the rights to develop and release additional SNK titles for the system.

Right.. but you still have to have this 100% secured before you can discuss it.
 

bojay1997

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You would assume wrong, I 100% know how it works.



Yes they do, otherwise it's classified as false advertising.



Right.. but you still have to have this 100% secured before you can discuss it.

Again, you are incorrect. An option is just that, an option to then purchase the rights. You pay a small amount (typically 10%) up front for that guarantee. You can certainly advertise future releases on the basis of an option alone as long as you have a good faith belief that the option is valid and that you will eventually exercise it. The fact that Tommo/Blaze either can't afford even a small option payment or just doesn't have the relationship with SNK to receive assurances that other titles can be licensed is yet another red flag with this whole ridiculous product.
 

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Who in their right mind spends $400 plus on a home brew game for dated hardware. Evidently enough to sell out of product and have a waiting list for another rumored run. How about over 10k on a used rug. This is Neo Geo there is no "sane" minds. The demographic is not typical.
 

SetaSouji??

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You can certainly advertise future releases on the basis of an option alone as long as you have a good faith belief that the option is valid and that you will eventually exercise it.

You missed the entire fucking point of what I said :oh_no: They're not going to drop money to secure the licenses until they know how well the initial install is, once they do that they'll start making a move on what games to buy and go from there.
 

slerch666

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I don't really mind paying $200 for the system, as long as new games, well, new old games, come out for it. And if it bombs, there's always eBay. The USB sticks will likely be worth something there if nothing else.
 

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Who in their right mind spends $400 plus on a home brew game for dated hardware. Evidently enough to sell out of product and have a waiting list for another rumored run. How about over 10k on a used rug. This is Neo Geo there is no "sane" minds. The demographic is not typical.

It's all about intended target demographics. A $400+ aes/mvs cart is clearly intended for the collectors and hardcore neo-geo fans in mind. NG Dev gave us the option to purchase the same on more prolific platforms at a significantly lower cost for those that just want to enjoy the game. These expensive carts sell out because there is a very small finite supply with slim chances of reprints.

Neo Geo X looks like it is intended for the latter. A more casual gamer or one without deep pockets that is still a fan of the platform. They aren't looking to draw over any collector converts with this one. With this crowd, you need to find some sort of appeal that outweighs the current methods (gp2x, dingoo, modded psp, etc). HDMI is certainly good. However, to create an ever growing install base, they'll need to assure people more is on the way.
 

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Everyone keeps talking about the need for more game titles to be released, and I agree that would be nice but people interested enough in this are going to buy it regardless. I imagine the people at Tommo/Blaze going, "Fuck! Are you kidding me? We're releasing this thing with 21 games and they're still fucking complaining." Lol! You have to go into this with low/no expectations of anything else being offered other than what comes out at initial release, and if you're okay with that, buy it. That way, it's irrelevant whether or not they release more games. Just my opinion. In the meantime, Happy Halloween everyone!
 

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Everyone keeps talking about the need for more game titles to be released, and I agree that would be nice but people interested enough in this are going to buy it regardless. I imagine the people at Tommo/Blaze going, "Fuck! Are you kidding me? We're releasing this thing with 21 games and they're still fucking complaining." Lol! You have to go into this with low/no expectations of anything else being offered other than what comes out at initial release, and if you're okay with that, buy it. That way, it's irrelevant whether or not they release more games. Just my opinion. In the meantime, Happy Halloween everyone!

The smart thing to do would have been to release it with 11 games and slowly trickle in the next 10 over the weeks after it's release.
 

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I wonder if they got the license from G-mode to do an "exclusive" Ghostlop release.

The 20 pack in games are a very nice mix and has some gems in there. Shit, if you bought them in MVS format you'd spend more than what they are charging for the system.
 

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I wonder if they got the license from G-mode to do an "exclusive" Ghostlop release.

The 20 pack in games are a very nice mix and has some gems in there. Shit, if you bought them in MVS format you'd spend more than what they are charging for the system.


It's still a bargain even if you price the games at Virtual Console/PSN/XBLA prices...
 

Nerdy

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It's still a bargain even if you price the games at Virtual Console/PSN/XBLA prices...

Paying for those 20 roms elsewere would be more expensive than the unit itself, plus you get a portable neo geo (sort of), arcade stick, and the docking station that connects to HMDI (and all the leads included)

It is a good deal i think.
 

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I am trying to avoid this thread until I buy the system incase the negativity rubs off on me and I dont get it :)
As for the 20 games, theres really only about 6 that I actually like but hoping loads more will be released, they should do bundles like the kof series and the metal slug series, if however just a few more games are released and not the majority, then it will be a bit crap.
 

bojay1997

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You missed the entire fucking point of what I said :oh_no: They're not going to drop money to secure the licenses until they know how well the initial install is, once they do that they'll start making a move on what games to buy and go from there.

Yes and as someone else pointed out, it's a catch 22 because many people won't buy this and therefore become part of the install base until they have an assurance of specific additional titles coming out. In my opinion, it's a sign that the business model behind this release was not well thought out and that they lack adequate financial support to make this a success. Only time will tell, but personally I'm not going to buy one until I see some real hands on reviews and some evidence that this thing will have some support for at least a couple of years and some additional releases.
 

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I wonder if they got the license from G-mode to do an "exclusive" Ghostlop release.

I wouldn't be surprised if they never release a title that's not owned by SNK Playmore. If you look at the pre-loaded games, they are all originally SNK or SNK/ADK except for Metal Slug but SNK Playmore owns the MS rights now.

Everyone keeps talking about the need for more game titles to be released, and I agree that would be nice but people interested enough in this are going to buy it regardless. I imagine the people at Tommo/Blaze going, "Fuck! Are you kidding me? We're releasing this thing with 21 games and they're still fucking complaining." Lol! You have to go into this with low/no expectations of anything else being offered other than what comes out at initial release, and if you're okay with that, buy it. That way, it's irrelevant whether or not they release more games. Just my opinion. In the meantime, Happy Halloween everyone!

It's not that the 21 games are bad per se. If you look at the pre-loaded games, a whopping 13 of the 20 (or 21 if you count Ninja Master's) were originally released between 1990 and 1992. I'll probably regularly play about 4 of those 13 (Magician Lord, Puzzled, Last Resort, and Baseball Stars 2). While there are some ok games in the other 9, the rest I would either not play at all or would only play in the absence of other better neo games. None of those 13 titles are deciding factors in purchasing the system.

That leaves 8 titles that are '93 and later releases. Out of those, 3 Count Bout and WHP are not going to have units flying off of shelves. So that leaves 6 compelling titles: FFS, SS2, KOF95, MS, RBFFS, and Ninja Master's.

While those are good games, long term they aren't enough in and of themselves. Yes they're giving us 21 titles, but the NGX is going to be competing with other mobile devices that can already run these games through emulation. In order to do well they will have to stand out on both their hardware and library availability. People aren't going to care if they can play the entire library or not, but there are going to be some key titles that need to be available at some point, and since they're marketing to a savvy demographic they will need to release those games before people figure out how to hack it.
 

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This hardware would be much more tantalizing if it had equivalent hardware that could run Neo games natively instead of using emulation. Then I might be interested in using it as an alternative system.
 

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Everyone keeps talking about the need for more game titles to be released, and I agree that would be nice but people interested enough in this are going to buy it regardless. I imagine the people at Tommo/Blaze going, "Fuck! Are you kidding me? We're releasing this thing with 21 games and they're still fucking complaining." Lol! You have to go into this with low/no expectations of anything else being offered other than what comes out at initial release, and if you're okay with that, buy it. That way, it's irrelevant whether or not they release more games. Just my opinion. In the meantime, Happy Halloween everyone!

Well, to be fair, it IS $200 that could be spent on a system that would receive new content. I guess I kind of see it both ways. For those of us who don't give a flying fuck, it doesn't matter if nothing else comes out for it. For other's, $200 is $200 and money that could be spent on a more mainstream and supported endeavor.
 

slerch666

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The 20 pack in games are a very nice mix and has some gems in there. Shit, if you bought them in MVS format you'd spend more than what they are charging for the system.

That's how I'm looking at it. And since the sticks are USB, assuming we can get Windoze or Linux to recognize them, we can also do TeH RoMzzz with an actual Neo stick as well.
 

slerch666

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I am trying to avoid this thread until I buy the system incase the negativity rubs off on me and I dont get it :)
As for the 20 games, theres really only about 6 that I actually like but hoping loads more will be released, they should do bundles like the kof series and the metal slug series, if however just a few more games are released and not the majority, then it will be a bit crap.
Would be really nice to get games that never made it to other systems, like Rage of the Dragons (which I don't like, but hey, it's one of the ones that never got ported), Matrimelee, etc
 

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I know this would never happen, but maybe the exclusive games they were talking about could possibly include MOTW2? Can dream..lol..
 

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But it is. Who in their right mind spends $200 on a glorified rombox with possibly no future?

But to play the devil's advocate here Shroom, who in their right mind ever spent their money on neo geo....

I recently downloaded Neo Turf Masters on Wii Virtual Console. It's buggy, and jittery, and jumpy. I don't even play it anymore. I'm excited about the X in hopes that it will be a much better substitute for the real thing.
 
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Finally TODAY pre-orders are available from ebgames in Canada. i'm goin over there at lunch W00T.
 
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