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I checked one of my Atari 7800 Plaion manuals, and surprisingly, it's not 6 languages in one. Just English. The back of the box is multilingual though.
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When I see any of these guys talking about how amazing the original AES arcade stick is and the new one better be accurate they are telling on themselves that they never actually used one lol. First thing I’m gonna do if these AES + sticks are “accurate“ is swap the buttons for Sanwa, the stick itself should be decent enough
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As we all know AI is always right so I asked ChatGPT this:
Let's say I got the rights to reproduce 10,000 copies of Garou Mark of the Wolves for the Neo Geo AES. Compare the factory price I have to pay for the production of ONLY the PCBs between flashrom OTP and MaskROM technologies. Consider the ROM size of game in question.
It gave me a really long answer with the (probably bullshit) reasoning, but the TL;DR is:
- Mask ROM PCB cost (per unit @ 10k run):
~$25 – $60
- OTP Flash ROM PCB cost (per unit @ 10k run):
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there's a reason why you don't see mask roms being used no more and chat gippity probably won't tell you
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Got it so when NeoDev team releases an MVS/AES game for $450 and then a boxed CD of the same game on Dreamcast for $50 it’s because of the developers work and not the cost of low volume carts and now that there will possibly be a cheaper alternative to making these carts the costs will remain cause reasons? I understand his point but there is definitely a real possibility that this could bring down significantly the cost of indie games for Neo. There will also be a larger audience to purchase the games. Imagine if all those Sega Genesis and SNES indie devs charged $300 plus per cartridge and said well it’s because we have to charge for our work.
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The carts they sell at 300 dollars probably cost 80 dollars to make, they cant compete self publishing anymore but maybe Plaion would publish for them if their game isn’t a steaming pile of shit.
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Flash rom is kinda expected no? Doesn't really matter, the sorts of IC's they use are good for 10k write/erase cycles and used on basically anything and everything today.
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I never had an issue with it, it’s all I knew and I adapted to it. I kicked plenty of ass with the original sticks.
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Eh they're not great. Were ok on release I suppose, better than most sticks at the time. Doesn't really compare to proper stuff though
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I've owned and modded tons of arcade sticks, panels etc. Built a 2 player panel from scratch with a trackball in the late 90's with Happ parts before Hanaho or X-Arcade came along. It was hacky and ugly but it played great. I've also owned a few arcade cabs.
Don't assume things. I just haven't owned an AES stick before.
Do you even know the answer to my question or are you just trolling as usual?
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Very easy after opening the stick you can just snap in 24mm Sanwa push buttons not sure what other ones work but the button cutouts fit standard 24mm Arcade size as long as the surrounds aren’t too wide and shallow enough for the case
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Oh, I agree. Once I got into the Japanese parts I was done with American style ones.
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Nice. Thanks. I know I have a bunch of 30mm sitting around, not sure about 24's. But, if I hate the stock buttons it's good to know it's an easy fix.
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They're.... fine. At this point, I would hate to have them change to something "better"/different.
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Idk, I thought the nes advantage back in the day had better feel than the stock neo sticks, as far as the mass-produced sticks for home consoles went anyway. They're not bad, totally decent, but for a console's stock controllers, I wish they had been a bit better.
But I think that's actually an area that SNK can probably improve on with this new release. It's much cheaper to mass produce arcade-quality buttons for home sticks nowadays than it was in the 90s.
As an alternative to the og sticks, I think the neo hori stick is a bit better in overall quality and feel. The steel plate on the bottom gives it a nice stability. And it has the turbo button setting as well, which is welcome on the aero fighters games, but you can toggle it on and off.
But I think that's actually an area that SNK can probably improve on with this new release. It's much cheaper to mass produce arcade-quality buttons for home sticks nowadays than it was in the 90s.
As an alternative to the og sticks, I think the neo hori stick is a bit better in overall quality and feel. The steel plate on the bottom gives it a nice stability. And it has the turbo button setting as well, which is welcome on the aero fighters games, but you can toggle it on and off.
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As said the 24mm buttons will fit.
You'll have to desolder the existing ones from the board and run some wire.