Modern console.

[konrad]

Imagine what a 16-bit system like the NeoGeo could do for 14 years, that's what I call SNK's love for NeoGeo, each time innovating and producing better games year after year until the 14 years that the system lasted, pushing the hardware to the limit. Can you imagine, for example, with a modern console what they could have done, for example, the PlayStation 5? It's a shame that we live in a consumer society since every 4 years the system is changed without taking full advantage of its potential as NeoGeo did.

 

[city41]

Yeah but modern consoles are basically PCs. So it's not really the same thing anymore.

 

[kernow]

You had no choice back then, nowadays you're sitting on top of a kernel and libraries. This is bollocks anyway if you consider the PS3. I'm pretty sure that thing still has more that could be pulled out of it

 

[kernow]

Imagine what a 16-bit system like the NeoGeo could do for 14 years, that's what I call SNK's love for NeoGeo, each time innovating and producing better games year after year

Debatable

 

[HellioN]

Imagine what a 16-bit system like the NeoGeo could do for 14 years, that's what I call SNK's love for NeoGeo, each time innovating and producing better games year after year until the 14 years that the system lasted, pushing the hardware to the limit. Can you imagine, for example, with a modern console what they could have done, for example, the PlayStation 5? It's a shame that we live in a consumer society since every 4 years the system is changed without taking full advantage of its potential as NeoGeo did.

The switch has been on the market since 2017.
PS4 & xbone are still getting games.
The 4-5 year console cycle has never really been a thing.

 

[Johnny16Bit]

Imagine what a 16-bit system like the NeoGeo could do for 14 years, that's what I call SNK's love for NeoGeo, each time innovating and producing better games year after year until the 14 years that the system lasted, pushing the hardware to the limit. Can you imagine, for example, with a modern console what they could have done, for example, the PlayStation 5? It's a shame that we live in a consumer society since every 4 years the system is changed without taking full advantage of its potential as NeoGeo did.

... That is a very romantic account

 

[Moob Butter]

The switch has been on the market since 2017.
PS4 & xbone are still getting games.
The 4-5 year console cycle has never really been a thing.

The Switch is an amazing example of what can be done with limited resources. I mean, it runs Witcher 3 and Doom Eternal quite well at 720p, that’s nuts on something barely more powerful than a calculator (relatively speaking).

You had no choice back then, nowadays you're sitting on top of a kernel and libraries. This is bollocks anyway if you consider the PS3. I'm pretty sure that thing still has more that could be pulled out of it

I saw a backwards comparable PS3 in a shop today for £80. Pretty tempting as a goobie purchase. My last one died of the YLOD.

 

[konrad]

The switch has been on the market since 2017.
PS4 & xbone are still getting games.
The 4-5 year console cycle has never really been a thing.

4 or 5 years was a way of expressing myself. I mean that a new system comes out in a short period of time.

 

[yagamikun]

7 years is typical these days - the PS3 and 4 each had a 7 year cycle before their replacement hit retail and they each had legs even after the updates came on the scene.

Also, don't forget that it wasn't "love" that made SNK stick with the 16-bit hardware for 14 years - a string of bad business decisions, a very, very expensive development cycle for the abysmal and immediate failure that was the Hyper 64...the Neo's replacement that came on the scene just seven years after the debut of the MVS, and the design, marketing and publishing of an entire world-wide handheld console line that was trying to compete with freaking Game Boy.

I get the love for the Neo and great things SNK was able to do with it - I wouldn't be here otherwise... but let's not get too romantic here.

 

[Fygee]

4 or 5 years was a way of expressing myself. I mean that a new system comes out in a short period of time.

The Neo-Geo was an outlier. Nintendo, Sega, and Atari were releasing new consoles at a similar pace to today. Arcade hardware was updated even more rapidly.

 

[kernow]

The MVS kept the home system alive, remember they stopped making the home system in the late nineties, maybe 97

 

[kernow]

4 or 5 years was a way of expressing myself. I mean that a new system comes out in a short period of time.

Expressing yourself lol, it's about 7 years, and now the periods overlap anyway so it's about ten

 

[famicommander]

Are you forgetting that they fucking tried to replace the Neo Geo and failed miserably?

Do you think the Neo Geo would've lasted as long as it did if the Hyper 64 had actually succeeded? The Neo Geo being their main platform as late as 2004 was grim necessity, not the original plan. The whole fucking company went bankrupt in 2001 after closing all overseas operations in 2000.

It's no different than the Atari 2600. It had a super long lifespan, but that was because the 5200, 7800, and XEGS fucking faceplanted. If the 7800 had taken off like the NES nobody would've been publishing 2600 games in Marchi 1991.

 

[Bennett]

You want to play PS5 games on a dated console well into the 2030s? Why . . .

Current console lifespans are just about perfect.

 

[GohanX]

That's kinda not really what happened in the real world at all. While games were certainly made for a long time, after about 1996 and possibly before that it was already seen as long in the tooth hardware needing to be replaced, and the only thing really sustaining it was the fact that it was still getting good games despite having outdated hardware. With the exception of SNK specific fans and the occasional hit game like Garou and KOF the Neo was dead to the mainstream by the mid 90s. The big reds were pushed to the back of the arcades while Xmen vs Street Fighter or Tekken was on a big cab in the front.

 

[Neo Alec]

Debatable

Neo Geo games hit a wall in 2000. Not much progress after that. KOF 2003 is the only one that shows perhaps any kind of graphical progress after that.

 

[ChuChu Flamingo]

The chase for graphics is a never ending one. 2d ages like fine wine while 3D milk.

 

[Johnny16Bit]

Not only the hardware love is BS... The whole software/2D graphics "aim for perfection" legend implies that SNK would be a single development entity - while even at their apex, the most consistent units they had was "Teams". As much as one can like Metal Slug and Last Blade, they have little to do with what was made on the system prior to them... To such extent that some call MS more Irem than SNK.

 

[Tarma]

Neo Geo games hit a wall in 2000. Not much progress after that. KOF 2003 is the only one that shows perhaps any kind of graphical progress after that.

If anything, the games were graphical regressive after 2000... but then, as we've often lamented, the love and talent had gone post bankruptcy, and the post KoF2k1 (inclusive) games were rushed, and one could argue, a cynical cash grab to keep IP's alive until the next available, commercially viable, platform was identified.
With so many MVS cabs still installed in arcades through the late 90s and early 00s, this is really what helped sustain the original Neo Geo platform for as long as it did.

 

[everyone]

The chase for graphics is a never ending one. 2d ages like fine wine while 3D milk.

Yeah, old 3D graphics just look dated.
2D graphics keep looking good, even if the technology is superseded.

 

[kernow]

Neo Geo games hit a wall in 2000. Not much progress after that. KOF 2003 is the only one that shows perhaps any kind of graphical progress after that.

Thanks for that buddy I wasn't aware

 

[kernow]

Yeah, old 3D graphics just look dated.
2D graphics keep looking good, even if the technology is superseded.

Your brain was superseded 200,000 years ago

 

[wyo]

You boys be quiet down there!

 

[LoneSage]

To such extent that some call MS more Irem than SNK.

As it should be. Of the 16 gods who created the first Slug, only two of them did not come from Irem.

I want to know what lead to those 14 leaving Irem to form their own studio. I can only guess SNK poached them.

 

[GutsDozer]

Like City stated before, modern consoles are basically PCs. I feel like Switch is the last real gaming console. Hopefully in the future we'll get another console of some kind that just separates itself from the PC crowd. I do feel modern consoles make high end gaming more friendly for a lower cost. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a new high end gaming PC, but with the price diffrence between thousands and hundreds of dollars I'll stick to my Xbox for now as far as modern games go. What made NEO so far ahead if it's time was that it was literally the arcade machine in a small box. Same thing with Dreamcast.