Macross fans that haven't bought the R1 DVDs yet...

[Dallas_Five]

The Jack McKinney books ARE pretty good, though. So are the Palladium RPG sourcebooks, if only for the technical drawings.

 

[PUNJABEE]

And again... opinion.

So what you're telling me is that in order for me to fully and properly enjoy Robotech, I have to read all that extra shit? Fuck that, I should be able to pick up any singular piece of any of it and have it make sense. That reeks of marketing bullshit (which all companies are guilty of at some point).

Have you actually watched Macross? The reason you have the impression Minmay saves the Earth "over and over" again is because of Robotech. If I remember correctly, in Macross there really aren't that many scenes of Minmei saving everyone by singing, that only happens the first time. Every other time it's used like a weapon to distract and confuse the enemy. Once she does her little thing and begins to become a star, the show no longer focuses on Minmay because Hikaru begins to go for Misa. It's not until later in the series when Minmay returns that her singing comes back to play, and even then it's used as a weapon.

But whatever. Your opinion is your opinion.

SOMEbody doesnt like to read. That's YOUR problem. And regardless if it's minme, or a hologram of minme that deters the Zentrand/Meltrand/Gootrand/Boobtrand/extraspicytrand/supremepizzatrand over and over... its the damn idiotic idea of it. That's lame. If you dont like getting background story on something, then you deserve to not understand it. That's your problem my friend. I'd hate to see your school scores on something you didnt understand.

Robotech, is by far, way better than Macross.

Fact.

edit: I bet you hated Donnie Darko.

 

[RAINBOW PONY]

Lovers again is the movie version of the entire Macross II series. kind of like DYRL for the original macross and Macross Plus the movie for duh Macross Plus.

i always liked macross II, it's much better than Plus.

 

[slerch666]

SOMEbody doesnt like to read. That's YOUR problem. And regardless if it's minme, or a hologram of minme that deters the Zentrand/Meltrand/Gootrand/Boobtrand/extraspicytrand/supremepizzatrand over and over... its the damn idiotic idea of it. That's lame. If you dont like getting background story on something, then you deserve to not understand it. That's your problem my friend. I'd hate to see your school scores on something you didnt understand.

Robotech, is by far, way better than Macross.

Fact.

edit: I bet you hated Donnie Darko.

*sigh*

It's not that I don't like to read, that's not the case at all. The problem I have is when I am FORCED to read something in order to garner understanding from something else. What I mean is that as Robotech the show and Robotech the novels are separate entities from the same universe, I should, theoretically, be able to enjoy one without having to deal with the other. I shouldn't have to read a book to understand the show, and I shouldn't be forced to watch the show to enjoy the books. Do you understand what I'm saying here? When you go to watch a movie based on a book do they leave things out because they assume the viewer has read the book? No, they put it in the movie so people know wtf is going on. Robotech should have been the same way, but as you said earlier, it is not.

As far as Minmay's singing "defeating" the Zentradi, did you not catch that the same thing happened in the Macross portion of Robotech? As far as I remember, it was the same deal. And something you don't seem to understand is that it wasn't just Minmay singing that defeated them in Macross. It was her appearance, her voice and all the things that humans had/did that they weren't used to, our culture. The male Zentradi weren't used to seeing women, let alone women showing some skin. Protoculture wasn't something that was supposed to be only the tangibles in our culture, it was also the intangible portions of civilization/humanity/human emotion so to speak, which is something that they threw to the wind for Robotech to make it easier for people to swallow (they made Protoculture some glowing goo if I remember correctly). It was in Robotech where you get the idea that Minmay's singing is what did in the Zentradi, not Macross.

My school scores were fine, thank you.

I guess I should question YOUR school scores, since you can't seem to differentiate between your own opinion and fact. You are welcome to create your own opinions, as am I and everyone else; you aren't, however, welcome to create your own facts.

edit- I never saw Donnie Darko

 

[MilkManX]

SOMEbody doesnt like to read. That's YOUR problem. And regardless if it's minme, or a hologram of minme that deters the Zentrand/Meltrand/Gootrand/Boobtrand/extraspicytrand/supremepizzatrand over and over... its the damn idiotic idea of it. That's lame. If you dont like getting background story on something, then you deserve to not understand it. That's your problem my friend. I'd hate to see your school scores on something you didnt understand.

Robotech, is by far, way better than Macross.

Fact.

edit: I bet you hated Donnie Darko.

Seriously you must be crazy.

Take 3 awesome (well 2 Macross and Mospeada...SoutnernCross was a dog even in Japan) completley unrelated shows. Hack them together. Censor them. Take the main meaning out of them. Dub them poorly for American airwaves. Fuck over the original creators of Macross on licensing and you like that crap.

 

[Mike Shagohod]

You didn't miss much in the novels Slerch. The opening of the original Mckinney novelization basically went into detail about how the UN SPACY {called Robotech Defense Force} and it's scientists discovered it was indeed an alien ship inhabited by giants, and through reverse engineering came up with VFX units that later became the Valkyries. Roy Focker had a brief mention in it {some of which is covered in Macross Zero}... but this all happens AFTER we see some ridiculous opening about ZOR PRIME of the "Robotech Masters" and the flower of life, which of course later tied into what was the HBT Cells in MOSPEADA generically dubbed Protoculture Cells, and where The Sentinels original sequel would later pick up, but it seems Rick & Misa... AHEM... LISA, couldn't get passed just getting hitched before the plug was pulled on the show.

In some sense I can see where Punj is coming from. When you see the lengths at which Macek & Co. went to tie three unrelated shows together, and then had the audacity to create something new in the ROBOTECH sequel... Yeah, it's a bit interesting. But once I learned the truth behind the series overall it was hard to take seriously. I also have the misfortune of actually remembering a screening of the limited release of ROBOTECH THE MOVIE shown in Dallas Texas, which of course was MegaZone 23, and that was even more retarded... but not knowing the full story back then, it just served to confuse all the more.

MERCENARY X99

 

[SML]

edit: I bet you hated Donnie Darko.

lol I liked DDarko but what a nimrod thing to say.

 

[PUNJABEE]

lol I liked DDarko but what a nimrod thing to say.

How is that a nimrod thing to say? Donnie Darko is a movie that, if you do research, read the Philosophy of Time Travel pages, and do the website, you get so much more out of it, and it just makes the movie better.

That's exactly what the Robotech Novels do for Robotech. And that right there, is my point. All they do is make a great thing better. I guess you misunderstood me.

 

[PUNJABEE]

The Jack McKinney books ARE pretty good, though. So are the Palladium RPG sourcebooks, if only for the technical drawings.

Hell yeah man, the REF Field Manual (palladium), that thing is chock full of awesome Tech spex, and drawings. Only thing cooler than that is taking a Valkyrie or Cyclone into another universe with RIFTS. Only the greatest pen/paper RPG book ever.

 

[Rassilon]

I got the 9dvd boxset when it was released (preorederd it nearly a year in advance.) its a great set. I want to buy the R2 'Ai oboeteimasu ka?' DVD but its ¥6000.

And original macross is way better than robotech. please. are you insane?

The jack mckinney books are pretty terrible. Hes a REALLY bad writer.
I enjoyed them all the same, as i like the story, but dont try to pretend they are GOOD or anything.

So, i LIKE robotech, but its nowhere NEAR as good as the originals.

I have all the palladium books as well, great stuff. terrible RPG though. we played it anyways for quite a while

 

[PUNJABEE]

And original macross is way better than robotech. please. are you insane?

No, I assure you. I'm not.

The jack mckinney books are pretty terrible. Hes a REALLY bad writer.
I enjoyed them all the same, as i like the story, but dont try to pretend they are GOOD or anything.

So... wait.. You said the books are pretty terrible, and said McKinney's a really bad writer... but you enjoyed them, and liked the story? I'm not following.

I have all the palladium books as well, great stuff. terrible RPG though. we played it anyways for quite a while

Again.. You said you have all the Palladium books... and they are 'great stuff'. Yet, again you contradict yourself... "Terrible RPG."

WTF? "uh.. yeah, I totally hate pizza, but I order it every friday night. It's great stuff. I can't get enough of it... but it's totally gross."

 

[slerch666]

So... wait.. You said the books are pretty terrible, and said McKinney's a really bad writer... but you enjoyed them, and liked the story? I'm not following.

Again.. You said you have all the Palladium books... and they are 'great stuff'. Yet, again you contradict yourself... "Terrible RPG."

WTF? "uh.. yeah, I totally hate pizza, but I order it every friday night. It's great stuff. I can't get enough of it... but it's totally gross."

A book doesn't have to be well written to be enjoyable. It's like B-Horror movies, sometimes they are just so damn bad you can't help but enjoy them. Not everything can be a Shakespearean (sp?) master piece.

As far as what he meant with the Palladium Books, I believe, is that the information aspect of it is great, but the RPG itself sucks.

Robotech the animation is jumpy and isn't always coherent, but it's ENJOYABLE. I don't personally believe it is better than Macross however.

MercX99- so they were going to use Megazone 23 as "Robotech the Movie?" Fuck me, am I glad that fell through. At least with the 3 series HG put together the mecha sometimes sorta looked the same... with MZ23 I don't know how the hell you could attach it to any of those previous series.

 

[Baseley09]

MercX99- so they were going to use Megazone 23 as "Robotech the Movie?" Fuck me, am I glad that fell through. At least with the 3 series HG put together the mecha sometimes sorta looked the same... with MZ23 I don't know how the hell you could attach it to any of those previous series.

A pal video is available, maybe usa somewhere

Here FAQ http://www.robotechcompanion.com/section3.html

 

[Rassilon]

So... wait.. You said the books are pretty terrible, and said McKinney's a really bad writer... but you enjoyed them, and liked the story? I'm not following.

I liked them in spite of them being terribly written, BECAUSE i liked the story. Its not that hard a concept. It took a while to get used to his awful style and technique, but after the first few books i was able to mostly ignore that part and just enjoy the story. I wont read them again however. I was more forgiving of bad writing when i was in jr. high than i am now.

Again.. You said you have all the Palladium books... and they are 'great stuff'. Yet, again you contradict yourself... "Terrible RPG."

As slerch says, i think the palladium books are great for the artwork and information, but palladium's RPG rules are terrible (and that goes for all of their RPGs, not just robotech). I played them when i was young because i liked robotech, and hadnt found many better RPG rule sets yet.

You're really drawing at straws here. Its quite impossible for a hacked up, censored, and dumbed down amalgamation of 3 different stories to be better than the original stories. give it up. The Macross arc is the closest to the originals, but its not as good.

The only halfway "original" thing HG tried to do was robotech II:the sentinels, but it fell through and never got finished.

 

[SML]

How is that a nimrod thing to say? Donnie Darko is a movie that, if you do research, read the Philosophy of Time Travel pages, and do the website, you get so much more out of it, and it just makes the movie better.

That's exactly what the Robotech Novels do for Robotech. And that right there, is my point. All they do is make a great thing better. I guess you misunderstood me.

As a matter of fact I did. I didn't realize you were tying it in to backstory, it seemed like a bizarre random insult.

 

[slerch666]

Even though this thread has been derailed from the original post, I thought anyone checking this thread out might appreciate knowing that Rightstuf is selling the 3 box sets (9 discs total) for $38 each. Definitely worth <$120.

 

[syringe]

I downloaded it.

$120 pfft.

Even though this thread has been derailed from the original post, I thought anyone checking this thread out might appreciate knowing that Rightstuf is selling the 3 box sets (9 discs total) for $38 each. Definitely worth <$120.

 

[jethrek]

Hey, let's take Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Forever Knight, and Highlander, edit them together so no one can tell they weren't the same series and change all the dialogue, then make books to cover for my mess.

Robotech is a shadow of Macross. That is all.

 

[jethrek]

No, I assure you. I'm not.



So... wait.. You said the books are pretty terrible, and said McKinney's a really bad writer... but you enjoyed them, and liked the story? I'm not following.




Again.. You said you have all the Palladium books... and they are 'great stuff'. Yet, again you contradict yourself... "Terrible RPG."

WTF? "uh.. yeah, I totally hate pizza, but I order it every friday night. It's great stuff. I can't get enough of it... but it's totally gross."

I enjoy taco bell sometimes.

but it's really bad mexican.

 

[syringe]

This is true, but I would never condone pirating Buffy the Higland Knight.
-
Pirating anime is ok though because it only puts Japanese people out of work.

Hey, let's take Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Forever Knight, and Highlander, edit them together so no one can tell they weren't the same series and change all the dialogue, then make books to cover for my mess.

Robotech is a shadow of Macross. That is all.

 

[Loopz]

Seriously you must be crazy.

Take 3 awesome (well 2 Macross and Mospeada...SoutnernCross was a dog even in Japan) completley unrelated shows. Hack them together. Censor them. Take the main meaning out of them. Dub them poorly for American airwaves. Fuck over the original creators of Macross on licensing and you like that crap.

What he said.

 

[Dallas_Five]

I liked them in spite of them being terribly written, BECAUSE i liked the story. Its not that hard a concept. It took a while to get used to his awful style and technique, but after the first few books i was able to mostly ignore that part and just enjoy the story. I wont read them again however. I was more forgiving of bad writing when i was in jr. high than i am now.

LOL, junior high was probably the last time i read the McKinney books as well, so i can't say whether they were well-written or not. But for what they were (pulp sci-fi basically) i thought they were enjoyable. I also remember digging the made-up quotations at the beginnings of each chapter, as cliched as that device may be. They lent some depth/history to the story, and i'm a sucker for the sense of a fully-realized world in works of fiction.

 

[jethrek]

This is true, but I would never condone pirating Buffy the Higland Knight.
-
Pirating anime is ok though because it only puts Japanese people out of work.

Forever Highlander Slayer

 

[AsianTomatoe]

To Punjabee,
I hate to tell you but you've got a lot of nerve saying that it is fact that Robotech is better than Macross. Everyone knows that Robotech is a butchering of Souther Cross, Genisis Climber Mospeada and SDF Macross which is NOT the way that the ORIGINAL creators desired. Harmony Gold has done far more damage for animation than it has helped especially in the case of Macross. Why do you think Gundam hasn't been released in the US till recently? Because Sunrise didn't want to see their Gundam series get butchered and destroyed like Macross did. We should have had Gundam 0079, Gundam Zeta, Gundma ZZ, V Gundam etc. much sooner and if those idiots an Harmony hadn't been assholes, we'd have a whole lot more of the cooler shit in the US. You're entitled to your own opnion but SDF Macross is much better than the butchered first season of Robotech. I have seen both and a lot of the meaning and significance is lost in the Robotech version. I wonder, do you even know what the meaning, story and significance of Macross is? Did you ever figure out what message Macross was trying to present?

 

[syringe]

Highland Knight makes more sense and shit.

Forever Highlander Slayer