Lupin the III: Green Jacket
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Zero Satori
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Red jacket forever. 
Everything else is just an attempt to capitalise on Miyazaki poseurism.
Everything else is just an attempt to capitalise on Miyazaki poseurism.
bokmeow
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Red jacket forever.
Blasphemy! Green jacket Lupin pwns Red jacket anyday.
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Holy fuck, you have outdone yourself with fucking goddamn moronism. I know you think you like anime and all that, but quit talking about series you know absolutely zero about. Last time it was Cobra, and you made an ass of yourself, and now this. FUCK. Holy fucking tap dancing Buddha, are you ignorant.Red jacket forever.
The FIRST Lupin tv series is the BEST. That is not open for debate. It is by FAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRR the closest to the source material. By fucking FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. From before they dumbed down the property and kidified it for the elementary school audience with the red jacketed, mind-numbingly mediocre second series.
The green jacket original series captures the tone -- not to mention adapts some of the stories -- of the original comic book in a way that NO future Lupin animation project does.
STOP making such a lavish display of your ignorance. If you don't know anything about a subject -- say, for example, Lupin III -- then don't fucking attempt to make know-it-all comments that only highlight how much you don't know about it.
FUCKING PLEASE
The first series is so much better than even the best episodes of the second series that is is fucking ridiculous.
Never has your stock been lower in my eyes than at this moment.
Michael Yagami
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Damn. STK is throwing knock out shots.
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I must have some kind of pent up aggression or something.
Michael Yagami
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It's part of your charm.
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Or in place of.
Kazuki Dash
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No, that's not out yet, so I have no idea. If anything, it almost sounds like a bit of a return to the earlier tone, if done right. And with all that Bebop borrowed from Lupin, the writer is an interesting choice.
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I liked the Pioneer/Geneon dubs of the second series. The guy who did Zenigata did a pretty good job, despite not really sounding much like Goro Naya. Everyone else seemed like they were getting into their characters as well.
I've never seen the first TV series, so I'll definitely have to check this out.
bokmeow
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Discotek Media also licensed and distributed that one, Lupin III Episode 0: First Contact.
I liked it, quite fun, but it's been a while since I watched it. One of the best Lupin III movies that Monkey Punch had a hand in was Dead or Alive, which was licensed and distributed by Funimation.
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Almost all of them. The tv specials, produced one a year for a long time were almost all horrible, except for the first one, Bye Bye Liberty.
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Actually, let me clarify something. If Zero's point was that Miyazaki has had an obtrusive effect on the franchise, overpowering the tone and vision of the original author, THAT, I agree with.
As nice as Cagliostro Castle and the episodes of the second series that Miyazaki put so much of his personal stamp on were, they tainted everything that came after. So much of the stuff produced after that point became about recapturing Miyazaki's vision rather than Monkey Punch's (blatant example: Fuma Conspiracy). And that, I do not like... as much of a fan of Miyazaki's original works as I might be. In that respect, his effect on the franchise was kind of destructive. American comics fans can liken it to Miller's Batman DKR and Moore's Killing Joke in the 1980s, compared to the following decade of dreary, derivative work readers were forced to suffer through from lesser creators inspired to imitate Miller and Moore.
But that is not the fault of the first tv series. That series came before the coat HAD an official color. The comics were black and white. and although Miyazaki did work on the first series, that was before he had become the overpowering auteur. He was just another staff member at that point and unknown to animation fandom at large.
That first series is 23 episodes of greatness. Where the second series is mostly mindless fluff and family fun, the first series is densely-plotted and sharp-edged. There is more plot in the first 5 minutes of most first series episodes than in an ENTIRE second series episode.
As nice as Cagliostro Castle and the episodes of the second series that Miyazaki put so much of his personal stamp on were, they tainted everything that came after. So much of the stuff produced after that point became about recapturing Miyazaki's vision rather than Monkey Punch's (blatant example: Fuma Conspiracy). And that, I do not like... as much of a fan of Miyazaki's original works as I might be. In that respect, his effect on the franchise was kind of destructive. American comics fans can liken it to Miller's Batman DKR and Moore's Killing Joke in the 1980s, compared to the following decade of dreary, derivative work readers were forced to suffer through from lesser creators inspired to imitate Miller and Moore.
But that is not the fault of the first tv series. That series came before the coat HAD an official color. The comics were black and white. and although Miyazaki did work on the first series, that was before he had become the overpowering auteur. He was just another staff member at that point and unknown to animation fandom at large.
That first series is 23 episodes of greatness. Where the second series is mostly mindless fluff and family fun, the first series is densely-plotted and sharp-edged. There is more plot in the first 5 minutes of most first series episodes than in an ENTIRE second series episode.
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At least with DKR and Killing Joke, the character of Batman stayed true.
The Lupin in Cagliostro is a different person altogether.
I can't enjoy that film because of it.
edit: hey kid i heard you like mgs and lupin
The Lupin in Cagliostro is a different person altogether.
I can't enjoy that film because of it.
edit: hey kid i heard you like mgs and lupin
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who told you that
bokmeow
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Thank god I wasn't the only one who thought that. It's bad when one is constantly checking the "time remaining," wishing for it to be all over.
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You don't need to turn it into something like that. They are great cartoons. No one is debating that. Miyazaki rarely (if ever) makes anything that isn't great. But they are Miyazaki cartoons rather than Lupin cartoons.
Edit: Also, I think I've said this in a previous thread, but I don't have a problem with Miyazaki interpreting Lupin his own way. My only problem is with everyone afterwards doing their interpretation of Miyazaki rather than attempting their own interpretation of Lupin. Again, like with Miller's DKR. What made it great at the time was the contrast between Miller's take on Batman compared to everyone else's. What other creators should have taken away from DKR was the desire to come up with their own original take, not bite off of Miller's, which quickly got stale.
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I think you're half-right, in that; practically all of the latter-day animation-directors want to make a Miyazaki picture rather than make a Monkeypunch picture. However, I think that a big part of a lot of what I dislike about what Lupin has become... is due to both creator-fatigue and genre-drift, combined with the Disneyification/Westernification of non-otaku-centric Japanese Animation.
With the exception of the Conan_x_Lupin crossover, I've been bored to tears with all the 00's-era and most of the 90's-era Lupin III projects.
With the exception of the Conan_x_Lupin crossover, I've been bored to tears with all the 00's-era and most of the 90's-era Lupin III projects.
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