I played SVC Chaos!

[SilverWolf]

Georgia barely has any arcades so I was completely surprised to see that I finally got to see and play it. Me, my bros and my cuz went to Malibu Grand Prix to hang out and then go to the movies later. Anyhow, we were about to go play some Tekken 4 or MvC2 since they were the only decent if not the only fighting games there. The rest were driving and shooters. BLEH! Anyhow, my bro saw SVC and yelled, "Look! They have SVC!" So we all ran to the cab and pumped in our tokens. The joysticks felt kinda loose so it was hard to use....well plus I'm not really good with the arcade stick since I've never really played much in the arcades. I wish I can just plug in my PS2 controller and whoop some ass. My bro chose Terry, I chose Ken and my cuz chose Akuma. Akuma's one cheap bastard! His air fireball is plain cheap! It goes fast and it's also quite big and he stays high in the air too. He can just abuse it!

I found that Ken is pure crap in this game. His shoryuken has been toned down to utter crap! For example, I did a wake fierce dragon punch on Akuma who was right beside me. It only hit twice and then I just flew into the air while Akuma was still on the ground, barely stunned. Ofcourse I ate a super combo when I landed! Priorities are messed up really bad. This hispanic dude also challenged us constantly so I never got a chance to play thru arcade mode. The AI was pretty hard but I liked the challenge. Anyhow, we whooped him pretty bad. Not really his fault since the controls were kinda screwed up. He wasted like almost 5 bucks on us until we just let him have our game. I never got to play one of the guys who worked there....my bro said that he was really good. My impressions on SVC:

-Surprisingly quite fun(doesn't come close to CVS2 IMO but if you just play it for what it is, then it's...well it's not crap. Funner then some SNK games such as ROTD, etc.
-Graphics were decent. Clothes move freely and the overall animation is smooth however, there is alot of weird abstract animation! Ken's leg becomes twice as long when he's doing a hurricane kick, and he looks too stiff! While Sagat looks so f$cked up it's not funny. Their stances may look good but once they start moving around, WATCH OUT! It just really kills the it for me. Music wasn't so bad(in fact I like some of them). I liked a few backgrounds too(church and forest). The hitsparks and sound effects are really crappy...just the overall feel of the game feels crappy.
-Horrible balance issues: SNK characters are way too overpowering! Iori was even given an "autoguard" effect for his flying scratch move DP+ kick!!! WTF is up with the cheasy and cheap auto guard?! Why not give an auto guard on Ken's hurricane kick? Maybe he can use one of his legs to attack and the other to auto guard? Where as Iori just flys at you and all of a sudden just autoguards?!!! It's just bullshit how SNK just gives their character's auto guard features without no freaking explanation or purpose other than to be cheap. What's next? Give him an auto guard for his fireball?
When I was playing Ken, almost all of my moves were toppled by simple attacks! Also why even choose Ken, and Ryu when you can choose Akuma? He has basically all their moves and plus some of his own cheap moves. In CVS, you can actually tell the difference between the 3 shotokans. Their play styles vary alot is what I mean. It was however pretty fun to connect a close C into their DB+D into special/super.
-The oldskool gameplay just doesn't suit with the KOF-type gameplay. I found myself almost helpless and become corner trapped all the time. The projectiles move way too fast and jumping is too slow which makes it hard to avoid.

Eventhough I complained alot about the game, I'm trying to search for some faqs about it so that I can get better. LOL, weird eh? Maybe because I felt an adrenaline rush when I was playing against that one dude. Seeing as I've hardly played in the arcades, and when I do play against somebody they only bash down on the buttons, it's fun to play against somebody who knows what they're doing. I'm gonna give SVC a few more tries(won't take more than a few). SVC is a game where you just say, "Heck somebody made it, might as well try it and play it."

 

[K_Dash]

I felt the same way that you did when I saw the game at my arcade. It was so pumped that I just had to play it right then and their but after playing it for a while, I had a bad impression on it but I didn't let that stop me. I just had to get used to the game system and it took me several hours to finally figure out the nuances of the game. Its a very good game that you just need time to get used to it.

Anyway, nice to hear that you got the game over there.

 

[SilverWolf]

Well...

Well I wouldn't go as far as to say it's a very good game. =P
I thinks it's a decent game at the most. Not sure how it can be more but just my opinion. Even my cousins who're pretty big SNK fans said, "WTF?!" when they saw SVC.

 

[OmegaSaber]

I feel the complete opposite way about Ken in this game as you. I can wipe the floor with the CPU with Ken, while if I'm Akuma or Ryu I can't do as well. And haven't you been bashing this game for quite awhile?

 

[Shining Kooksu]

And haven't you been bashing this game for quite awhile?

Damn, that is the first thing I thought too when I saw SilverWolf's thread. Why have you(SilverWolf) been bashing the game and its mechanics when today was the first day that you have played it? Hmmmm...are some (not all) people just bashing this game to try and appear to be "cool" or elite? I don't get it. I am not trying to outrightly offend anyone. I am just perplexed.

 

[Lee Gray]

I too think its funny how so many people bash the game when they have not even played it yet or just played it for a hour.

When i first got the game after about a hour i was thinking i wasted my money the game play was slow the backgrounds were naff and it wasnt any different than any other average neo fighter,

But after a few hours i started to really enjoy it and i craved to get to fight the secret bosses so it took me back time and time again and i played it for 3 days straight which is something i havent done for years on a game

Admittadly this game fails in comparison with the great neo classics such as shodown 2 and last blade but it is still fun even though now i am a little bored with it and i would rate it as a top fighter, sometimes you do a special move though and it just seems to go straight through a fighter but not hit them which needs to be sorted out but all in all its a worthy addition to any collection

bare in mind i use to hate kof2000 now its one of my fav kof games
it just takes a few hours play to like the game.

i will once again say though these background stages are not up to arcade quality
the crolling ones might look neat but really its the same frame over and over again.

 

[SilverWolf]

Ergh? Yes I did bash the game before and I'm still bashing it if you've read my post. I still hold the same views about the game even back when I never played it. I've seen the movies and it's no different! You guys act like "Hey if you're there and you play it, it's alot better or different." BLEH! I wasn't bashing the game just so that I can get recognized. That just sounds ridiculous! I was bashing the game because it looks like crap and plays like crap. I've seen the videos and my opinion of the game is still the same even after I've played the game. Mechanics? What mechanics? SVC lacks mechanics and that's what kills the game for me....along with the crappy sound effects, music and graphics. It's "playable" for the most part but that's all I can say.

 

[Lawrence Blood]

Well my first experience with this game was thankfully not a bad one. I started out using the only character in the roster that I'm actually good with: Mai. I tore it up against this Balrog user, he was pretty good as he actually won a few rounds, with some mean poking skills (Damn Balrog and his pokes!!!).

All in all I think the game is hella-fun. In fact, SvC: Chaos disgraces the disgraceful CvS series!

 

[OrochiEddie]

People are already picking the game apart and it's not been out for more than a month or two. People need to look at the good side of it.

 

[SonGohan]

This game is excellent. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that Ryu is one of my better characters in the game, and that's never been so with a 'shoto' character.

But seriously, people have been bashing this game when the first few pieces of character art were released. There's just something "cool" about bashing a game, which people have never seen, nor played.

 

[SilverWolf]

Okay I played the game for about 4 hours straight. I have to say Terry is one cheap ass motha f'er! Damn that buster wolf super! He's got practically no frames in his Close C punch and it tops most basic attacks almost all the time. Ken's hurricane kick is useless in this game. It's too slow and it doesn't stun long enough. In other games, it could be used as a hit and run type of a move. For example, I do a hurricane kick over a crouching opponent and the opponent gets up only to get hit by the hurricane kick. By then, you'd be safe on the otherside...not the case in SVC. I did the same trick and got severely punished. I did a hurricane kick over Terry, it hit him while he was getting up, however he had enough time to dash over to me before I even landed and did a close C, into buster wolf! Ken and Ryu can get easily punished it's not even funny! Most of my attacks went through my opponents! Talk about bad collision boxes! Ken's and Ryu's shoryuken is a really weak anti air also. It's decent on the ground but everytime I did it as an anti-air, I got canceled out! I lost twice as much life also! WTF?! Guile, Kyo, and Hugo were fun to play with. Anyhow, I got a really disgusted feeling when I left. I was like, "BLEH! I don't really need to play the game again." The negatives just outnumber the positives of the game. That's just unacceptable. Give me CVS2 any DAY! Damn I can't wait to go play CVS2 again.

 

[games91999]

my friends kept saying the game sucks when they "watched" me playing it, but when they took over, they all agreed that this is one of the smoothest and tightest (mechanics/moves/counters) games ever. i have to say for those that have played it once at an arcade, you have no idea what this game is about. i bought the mvs 2 weeks ago and each day i play it i love the game more and more and have started forgetting about how much i paid for it (thanks howdoin for the great deal).

so silverwolf, stop hating or tyring to pinpoint specifics on a game that you barely gave a chance, buy the mvs or the home cart and soon you will have a more positive assessment.


SVC CHAOS coming soon (for you home cart guys)!!!

 

[SilverWolf]

why?

Dude, I did give this game a chance. In fact, I've spent the most time playing SVC more than any other arcade game. I had unlimited credits(They have a deal: 10 bucks for unlimited credits)! I gave SVC a chance, just like I gave CVS2 a chance as well as other games. I liked CVS2 and other games. Not because I'm a capcom fan or I'm biased, but because they were good games. SVC is the exact opposite. This game is pretty bad(not in a good way)! I'm not the only one to see this....heck there are lots of people who don't like this game. Even Neo fans! What does that say? The graphics get really tiring, the sound is cheesy, and the backgrounds SUCK! Most importantly, the gameplay is broken! "Not all games are perfect!" you say? Well atleast they're pretty damn close. SVC is FAR from perfect. No SVC for my PS2 as I've no incentive to waste my money on this crap. Might check out the rom though. =)

 

[MyLastCryForYou]

I agree what you on a lot of things you said Silverwolf.I can give a total review on the game and point out the pros and cons.Even go so far as to compare it with Capcom's versions(even though i did already).
But it has already been done on various gaming sites.
I enjoy the game a lot though.Why i dont think the game is bad at all,i still think the game has a lot of issues(i think its a good game not great).A lot of people are blinded by the hype of this game,so either they're over looking the flaws or just not accepting the fact that it has flaws.
On all respect for the game if it had came out a few years ago it would totally be at the top and its short comings could have easily been forgiven.
I find this funny,a lot of people complain that the Snk characters were weak in the Capcom versions but dont say anything about how weak the Capcom characters are in Snk/Playmore version.
You know what else is funny Capcom is Snk and Snk is Capcom.
What i mean by this is years ago back in 1992 several Capcom programers left Capcom to develope for Snk.Then years later in 2000,over 80 programers left Snk to work for Capcom.So when i hear people say that Snk makes better fighters than Capcom or vice versa,i laugh at them.
This new Snk isnt the same people who brought us Garou:Mark of the Wolves or KOF 94 through 2000 or any of the other titles that came out back then.Because most of those programers work for Capcom now.They played a big part in developing the Capcom vs Snk games.
Im sorry to all the fans out there who love this game but i feel the time for this game have passed by years ago.
In a age with state of the art technology and innovation SVC Chaos just feels so out dated compared to the competition!
Oh yeah for the record CVS2 is a hell of a lot more deeper in gameplay and more balanced than SVC Chaos.
I have compared them side by side and i will write the comparasions down next time.
One more thing,i hear a lot of people saying you have to give the game time.Well i have been playing the game for a while now but here's my point.Whether you play the game for several hours or several weeks, it wouldnt matter.Now i do admit the longer you play a game you may discover new things that you never knew was there or things you can do.But playing the game for a while wont change its balance issues(i know Yagami is powerful but damn),cheapness and its old school style of play.
Those things will remain in there from day one of playing it and to several weeks after playing it.
Maybe im just spoiled by all the new generation games.I have to admit CVS2 has spoiled me with all the things you can do,even though it isnt balanced as well as it should be but its more balanced than SVC.

 

[SilverWolf]

You couldn't be more correct. CVS2 ROCKS!

 

[Piccolo_DBz]

Well I bought my kit last week and I have to say that I enjoy it more the the capcom versions.

 

[MilkManX]

I keep going to play SVC and then not liking it that much. It isnt a horrible game but I would rather play my CVS2 on LIVE than SVC.

 

[Korigama]

No offense to those who do like it, but I honestly
don't see what's so special about CvS2. Sure,
I play it every once in a while, but only the home
version, rather than in arcades.
Aside from the grooves, another thing I don't
like about it is the ratio system
(I HATE ratio systems), both which create
even more balance issues. Besides the SNK
cast being generally weaker (Athena and Kyo
mainly come to mind), the whole cast itself
isn't balanced very well, resulting in characters
that are either not very useful (King), and
in one case, essentially useless (Kyosuke).
Another problem with the game is the
sprite inconsistency, causing the characters
to not look like they belong in the same game.

In the end, I'm not saying the CvS2 is a bad
game, but just not that good of one, IMO
(in other words, decent, but not great).
SvC is by no means perfect, either
(i.e., lack of balance for Geese and Zero,
GCFS abuse), but I prefer it to CvS2.

EDIT: though for non-crossover titles,
I prefer SFIII:TS to CvS2 and KoF 2002
to SvC Chaos...

 

[CraigPilecky]

No offense to those who do like it, but I honestly
don't see what's so special about CvS2. Sure,
I play it every once in a while, but only the home
version, rather than in arcades.
Aside from the grooves, another thing I don't
like about it is the ratio system
(I HATE ratio systems), both which create
even more balance issues. Besides the SNK
cast being generally weaker (Athena and Kyo
mainly come to mind), the whole cast itself
isn't balanced very well, resulting in characters
that are either not very useful (King), and
in one case, essentially useless (Kyosuke).
Another problem with the game is the
sprite inconsistency, causing the characters
to not look like they belong in the same game.

In the end, I'm not saying the CvS2 is a bad
game, but just not that good of one, IMO
(in other words, decent, but not great).
SvC is by no means perfect, either
(i.e., lack of balance for Geese and Zero,
GCFS abuse), but I prefer it to CvS2.

EDIT: though for non-crossover titles,
I prefer SFIII:TS to CvS2 and KoF 2002
to SvC Chaos...

I strongly agree! Though I still generally like CVS2 it is messed up. I hope the SVC series will stay 1 on 1, without any silly grooves.

Cant wait for my homecart of SVC!

 

[Hidden Character]

You poor thing.

 

[Ilovejapangirls]

I don't believe to these people bashing the game


especially about hit boxes problems...


from the vids i've seen so far,everything seems ok


BUT they are vids...


well...i can't wait to play it on my neo,so i can judge for myself...

 

[Rodi]

Youre wrong if you think the capcom characters are undrpowered or SNK characters are overpowered... just analyzing from Iori's autoguard move doesnt mean anything...

from what I see, the Capcom characters can connect 2 supers/exceed together...
Like Violent Ken's dragon punch super after his kick super...
Chun Li's exceed after her kick super
Each both of Tabasa's super after her exceed...
etc

and Chun Li has been given most of her moves by SNK...

 

[MyLastCryForYou]

If you really want to get technical on things(and i mean 100% not holding anything back on these games).Both titles have balance issues and flaws.
Here's the million dollar question!Why in the hell did Capcom remove moves and weakened the Snk characters?Well the answer to that is balance issues.If they would have put the Snk crew in there in their currunt forms,they would have slaughtered the Capcom characters.
So they had to balanced them out with the Capcom crew.This disappointed a lot of people,myself included considering my favorite character Kyo Kusanagi was the most weakened on the Snk side.
Now SVC have majority of all the characters moves and new ones as well,which is great.But after playing both versions that doesnt help it any.In the Capcom versions the characters were balanced out with each other by priority,removing moves,adding moves and whatnot.Why the end result isnt as balance as it should be,it all comes together quite nicely.
In SVC they just stuck the characters in there in their current forms without worrying about things like the priorities between each characters.The hit collision is extemely bad in the game which really hurts it alot.And the Capcom crew dont feel the same but i can say the same thing about the Snk crew in the Capcom versions.
At least Capcom did give Kyo and Iori more priority in their Oniyaki move.Which is more effective than it was in KOF as well as SVC.
The main problem i have with CVS or CVS2 is its low-res pixelated characters more than anything else in the game.I really enjoy the gameplay of CVS2.The game does have flaws though but not as many as Capcom bashers would want you to believe.
The problem i have with SVC on the other hand is more gameplay related,i do admit the game is fun and i really enjoy it,it pisses me off on how some of my moves dont connect like they suppose too and really ruins the mood of playing for me.Not only that but the priorities are messed up quite a bit in this game as well as some of the game cheapness.I also dont like the out-dated graphics but i blame that on the hardware!
Bottom line i enjoy both games despite their flaws.I think CVS2 is a great game and SVC is a good game!

 

[Tadaima]

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SvC is a poor game featuring poor graphics, mdiocre animations and limited gameplay. I played it in Japan then played it here in France, and I didn't like it at all. I understand that som people may enjoy playing that game, but for me it's not even worth the check.

 

[SonGohan]

I actually wrote up a little review on it yesterday and sent it to Bobak. He's pretty busy though, so it probably won't be up for another year. Here's my take on it though:

http://snkguitarist.com/chaos/