Hyper Street Fighter II Anniversary Edition - US version controversy. 56K WARNING

[billd420]

Vihn, you're telling me a game that was converted by a 3rd party service officially recommended by Capcom does not qualify it for an official release? You your self said they told you who to send it to in order to get a USA cartridge...

 

[Trieu]

Zomg!!11! Its almost as uber rare as that $1200 USA 3rd strike "kit"...

This item is geared towards operators, not gamers. You sell to primarily gamers, not operators, who would not earn their money back on this. Operators in CA easily earn this amount back within a month or two tops.

Blurbing out one liners without having any reasoning behind it doesn't really give you much backing.

"Nightmare in the Dark w/reprinted label w/matching serials. Full artwork. Label on cart is real, on box reprinted but looks just like the original. Uber rare. $500.00"

"I had two offers, but Si is my guy go I gave it to him..." lol.

Now how can a fake labeled box be of any rarity at all? Nightmare in the Dark as a loose cart is far from rare. I've sold over 20 Complete authentic complete MVS kits over the past 5 years, seen over 1000 kits sold by SNK USA to various suppliers.

Get your facts straight bill-bo.

 

[Trieu]

Vihn, you're telling me a game that was converted by a 3rd party service officially recommended by Capcom does not qualify it for an official release? You your self said they told you who to send it to in order to get a USA cartridge...

For the nth time, it's not what I am saying, it's what Capcom explained to me. The versions out there are legit, but NOT an official Capcom Coin-Op release. In other words, there is also no warranty from Capcom Coin-Op if it is or becomes defective.

So the third party can produce these, but if there was an issue, Capcom won't warranty it, because they didn't officially release it themselves.

I think we need an electronic English translator here....an official one, converted ones don't seem to hold much value around here.

 

[DevilRedeemed]

the games don't even have proper shells - just random coloured ones (I think yellow is one and I don't know the other 2). the 3 where offered to me at a high price, too high for me to buy outright, so I thought I'd do some prior investigating and I'm glad I did.
maybe ebay would be the best route? as long as the information is adequate, the price of something like this can begin to be given a shape - probably on the lower end, but it would take away talk of value, atleast somewhat. still I'm not sure wether I'm going to take that risk for the sake of experimentation.

Vinh I apologise for posting part of the email replies you sent me, and I find that this site is usually knowledgeable about Capcom goods too.

you are right, I should get in touch with Capcom and some of the people you told me could inform me. it's still a jigzaw, and you may not agree but what build is stating to be a grey area, is. because it's not officially endorsed by Capcom USA does not mean that it is not endorsed by Capcom as a Capcom USA game - hence the service available, hence the debate. and this is not about rarity anymore.

I didn't know that only single boards where 'legit' and others where conversion boards - did anyone else apart from you? I doubt it. you check yahoo japan auctions? there are japanese region a+b boards on there that sell for the same price as the single boards, I don't think they are sold as conversions or non-true boards. not that I don't believe you, just that it's weird.

and what do you think aout a Red Earth hispanic edition with the cart label in blue? anomally?

 

[DevilRedeemed]

I can tell you that there are plenty of these converted boards, mostly in Hispanic countries, so the rarity issue is not an issue.

I just wanted to say this is BullShit. this game is extremely rare in any format in hispanic countries. the game did not get a warm welcome in the most arcade friendly country - mexico in particular (I've been given the email adress to someone that used to work for Capcom Mexico and I hope he can answer alot of these questions. I think Capcom was not present in any other hispanic country so this is as close to the source as I can get) - and I doubt there's anything more than a small handful of these out there in the whole of latin america - by small I mean practically non-existant. lol. arcades started shutting down all over the place years ago - the places that stayed open changed their business strategy and stopped buying boards and began to install modded xboxes with teh romz.

operators have not bought into AW for instance - neowave was the last real KOF to make it to the arcades here and this is a country that has a huge KOF following. buying a CPS2 board at whatever price would have been preposterous for most operatos here in south america in 2004.

so this here shows that it isn't as clear as you make it out to being. if this is common in asia - again, doubt it (they have a readily available asian version with english text), but that's not something I can know for sure.

maybe rarity can't be scoped but because you are making wrongful assumptions about the availability of this game (in any case, in hispanic countries they'd go for the hispanic version which is available if the bios can be modified like you say it can), you can't have the luxury of being so dissmisive.

maybe some operator from the US wanted to bring the game over and Capcom proposed that they get them converted by those offering the service for Capcom? is this not likely? I think you can't deny that it is.

just wanted to hammer that point home. lol.

hey I'm just having a bit of fun here
I'll get to making contact with the people that have the definitive answers.

 

[2Dfan]

so...who gives a crap? Really lol, just play the game.

 

[DevilRedeemed]

so...who gives a crap? Really lol, just play the game.

lol. was this thing made to be played?
you're right though, and if I do pick it up, I'll play the shit out of it. knowing my skillz though, it'll probably play the shit out of me.

 

[bk2099]

if it's rare then you should get it and dump it

looking through the choko rom (which also wasn't released in the US) i can see other regions were programmed into the rom aswell so it's likely that the game developpers include the code for other regions aswell incase capcom decides to release it in other regions

 

[DevilRedeemed]

what I don't get about the dumps is - if the code is there for the different regions - Hispanic (as you showed with your bootleg), World, Japan, Asian, US etc. why can't the different regional variations be extracted from the same single game? if the Asian and US roms in this case seem to be the same, can't you then access the US region via the Asian roms? same with the game you just took a look at (which is a proto?).

I have no clue so please cut me some slack if I'm talking popicock.

 

[bk2099]

i don't know the exact differences between the different language region roms but i do know that usually only a few of the program roms differ from eachother while the graphics and the sound roms are the same.

can the different regional variations be extracted from the same single game? maybe, maybe only partially. i know that for SFA3, when you change the region through the Phoenix Menu, the game gets buggy according to Razoola. it might be because it's missing some code from it's proper region rom.

 

[DevilRedeemed]

cool thanks for the info.

ok this shit has gone a bit too far, it was fun at first, and I though I had found teh rarez and was going to cash my chips in - yes people, I thought I could make some money of the fact that I thought they where rare - thing is I love arcade games too, so this whole thing got me more exited for the fact that I love finding rare stuff in this area, it matters more than money (I sold my AW proto Rumble Fish at the same price I got it, was just nice to have it pass through my hands). that's why I contacted Trieu though - to try and sell him one for $$$.

but Vinh was ahead of the curve and knew what I was offering him apparently, he even stated that these where offered to him back in the day at a considerably lower price than the 'real' boards as he would just be buying the chips. my naivety and ambition got the better of me.

according the him the team that converted the boards for Capcom made atleast 50 which he doesn't consider rare. fair enough. why where these converted? must be because they where to be used in the US region right? and since Capcom US coin op division was no longer there, this would be the only legit way of having them operate in the US. how this doesn't make them official I have no fucking clue (well, I do have a clue, I don't consider Vinh to be right here. infact I think he's wrong, but it's my opinion only), but I don't care anymore as this discussion has gotten tedious (got a discussion going via email with Trieu who's stating the same things he is here, there - as am I, plus have to contend with babbling on here too).

so blah.
I hope you had fun kids. learnt a thing or two, and if I can get some discount on them and have cash to spare I'll pick atleast one up. and have the roms dumped by Razoola probably if that is relevant to his project. he's one cool guy.

goodnight.