How much are you killing the planet? AKA what type of vehicle do you drive?

[Tripredacus]

I got gas

 

[Ilovejapangirls]

How many Japanese girls can fit in all those cars?

As of now, only my wife if i m taking the Miata. Rx8 can carry 4 japanese women no problem...not that i tried of course. It cannot carry more than 1 american since you are so fat that you cannot fit in the backseats...That is why I have the daily drive where i can fit pretty much 4 passengers regardless of their size

 

[GeeseJerky]

As of now, only my wife if i m taking the Miata. Rx8 can carry 4 japanese women no problem...not that i tried of course. It cannot carry more than 1 american since you are so fat that you cannot fit in the backseats...That is why I have the daily drive where i can fit pretty much 4 passengers regardless of their size

So your daily driver is for picking up fat American chicks and your RX8 is for picking up Japanese chicks, but you don't have any Japanese chicks to pick up?

 

[StevenK]

Until the battery dies, then what?

I picked this one up on a PCP finance deal. I don't trust the arse not to fall out of the market, so until questions like yours are answered I don't want to actually own one.

So the answer to your question is I walk away and don't give a fuck

 

[Ilovejapangirls]

So your daily driver is for picking up fat American chicks and your RX8 is for picking up Japanese chicks, but you don't have any Japanese chicks to pick up?

I m old now, my Japanese wife is enough, she likes the Miata the most. I like driving the rx8 alone usually, even though lately i m a bit paranoid about the engine ...it being rotary and all that jazz.

 

[GeeseJerky]

I m old now, my Japanese wife is enough, she likes the Miata the most. I like driving the rx8 alone usually, even though lately i m a bit paranoid about the engine ...it being rotary and all that jazz.

That's not what I asked.

 

[Ilovejapangirls]

That's not what I asked.

I answered your question by saying that I am old and don't look for women since I already have my wife and that's more than enough! Now if I was young and single yeah, i'd want no American chicks in my cars...not even my poor daily, ahah!

 

[Neo Alec]

Until the battery dies, then what?

This sentiment gets parroted by the media and likely those who have never owned or driven a hybrid or EV, but I'm not concerned in the least. The market is full of 15+ year-old used hybrids going strong. It's a concern, but not a real issue.

 

[Takumaji]

Until the battery dies, then what?

That's the big question the industry and politics seem to ignore but something tells me it will be hot topic in a couple of years when millions of dead batteries with toxic and flammable contents will be piling up everywhere.

They prolly gonna get shipped to Africa again, after some negotiations have been made and contracts have been signed, to get safely delaborated and recycled (read, get thrown on unregulated dumps).

Clear air for us, toxic waste for the poor countries, that's how the "green revolution" works.

 

[StevenK]

The negative press coverage EVs get here is astonishing. There's a new story every single day about why they're so bad, and now there's really very little new to add to the subject they just recycle the same stories over and over. Same newspapers, which are in the process of being bought out by a Saudi billionaire, funnily enough.

 

[Neo Alec]

That's the big question the industry and politics seem to ignore but something tells me it will be hot topic in a couple of years when millions of dead batteries with toxic and flammable contents will be piling up everywhere.

They prolly gonna get shipped to Africa again, after some negotiations have been made and contracts have been signed, to get safely delaborated and recycled (read, get thrown on unregulated dumps).

Clear air for us, toxic waste for the poor countries, that's how the "green revolution" works.

The problem with this argument is, what's the solution then? We've gotta get off gas somehow if we want our kids to remain on this planet in the long run. If we put up roadblocks because of working conditions in lithium mines, for example, that hinders progress. It will hopefully work out okay one way or another. There are lots of people working on it.

I don't understand people who just want to make excuses. I think it's self-serving (some are simply stuck with an old vehicle) and nihilistic.

 

[Neo Alec]

The negative press coverage EVs get here is astonishing. There's a new story every single day about why they're so bad, and now there's really very little new to add to the subject they just recycle the same stories over and over. Same newspapers, which are in the process of being bought out by a Saudi billionaire, funnily enough.

Yeah, it's amazing in the US too. The powers that be really don't want EV's to succeed. This one on Tesla was a doozy because they characterized it as a recall and a huge new problem, but for owners it literally amounted to a minor software update. My mom saw the story and sent a bunch of texts about how she was worried about us.

Tesla recalls nearly all its electric vehicles over Autopilot issue

Tesla on Wednesday recalled more than two million electric vehicles over a safety issue with its Autopilot technology that requires a software update. Carter Evans reports.

www.cbsnews.com

Some people are never going to be ready, but if you live in a city, Teslas are everywhere, similar to how Priuses were a decade ago, and VW Beetles were before that. Kids are playing Punch Tesla Red on road trips now. And the country is dotted everywhere with their stupid superchargers. It's due to stupidly aggressive pricing in this case.

 

[Moob Butter]

This sentiment gets parroted by the media and likely those who have never owned or driven a hybrid or EV, but I'm not concerned in the least. The market is full of 15+ year-old used hybrids going strong. It's a concern, but not a real issue.

Hybrid is a bit different - you’ve still got the petrol part. Completely powered on battery is a different equation.

I’m not hating on electric cars btw just I would avoid a high mileage one or one over 5 years old personally.

 

[Neo Alec]

Hybrid is a bit different - you’ve still got the petrol part. Completely powered on battery is a different equation.

I’m not hating on electric cars btw just I would avoid a high mileage one or one over 5 years old personally.

Yep, yep, it's not an issue but let's bring it up anyway just in case. I don't know who's driving cars with 450,000+ miles on them. Most cars these days are ready to be scrapped long before that.

 

[Takumaji]

The problem with this argument is, what's the solution then? We've gotta get off gas somehow if we want our kids to remain on this planet in the long run. If we put up roadblocks because of working conditions in lithium mines, for example, that hinders progress. It will hopefully work out okay one way or another. There are lots of people working on it.

I don't understand people who just want to make excuses. I think it's self-serving (some are simply stuck with an old vehicle) and nihilistic.

We should use modern petrol-powered engines until a nation-wide hydrogen distribution system is available and the remaining problems with the technology have been solved, which all things considered will take less than 20 years from now if we're serious about it.

Hydrogen gas is not very efficient as a fuel but research is making good progress and when that's done, we will have vehicles with engines that need way less dirty chemicals to run and a type of fuel with a practically endless supply.

I'm not against e-cars per se, just hate tech with a major caveat getting introduced in the name of the $ without a future-proof concept worth its salt. "Let's do it now and take care of the problems later" is a mindset that has brought us trouble more than once in the last 100 years.

 

[Moob Butter]

Sure the 450,000 miles is a extreme example but you can see how crap the battery life is at high miles, which isn’t a concern with petrol motors.

Clear air for us, toxic waste for the poor countries, that's how the "green revolution" works.

Sad but true.

 

[Neo Alec]

We should use modern petrol-powered engines until a nation-wide hydrogen distribution system is available and the remaining problems with the technology have been solved, which all things considered will take less than 20 years from now if we're serious about it.

Hydrogen gas is not very efficient as a fuel but research is making good progress and when that's done, we will have vehicles with engines that need way less dirty chemicals to run and a type of fuel with a practically endless supply.

I'm not against e-cars per se, just hate tech with a major caveat getting introduced in the name of the $ without a future-proof concept worth its salt. "Let's do it now and take care of the problems later" is a mindset that has brought us trouble more than once in the last 100 years.

Batteries can be recycled. The minerals in them are currently too valuable to ship to Asia for scrap. The reason you don't hear about it now is because there are so few batteries ready to be thrown out yet. I just don't see the point of this whole argument. If people buy EV's and like them, let them drive them. Don't discourage more people from jumping on.

Sure the 450,000 miles is a extreme example but you can see how crap the battery life is at high miles, which isn’t a concern with petrol motors.

Yeah, because gas engines are usually running great at 450,000 miles.

 

[GohanX]

This sentiment gets parroted by the media and likely those who have never owned or driven a hybrid or EV, but I'm not concerned in the least. The market is full of 15+ year-old used hybrids going strong. It's a concern, but not a real issue.

I had the same theoretical problem with EVs too seeing as how most of our other devices with batteries rarely last longer than a few years, but it really seems that for the batteries in even the oldest Teslas are still going strong for the most part and last as long as the engine or transmission in other equivalent gas vehicles.

Sure, if the batteries died prematurely but out of warranty the cost to replace would be so much you'd just junk the vehicle. But the same could be said with most gas vehicles' automatic transmissions that call for no service intervals and die at around 150k.

 

[Neo Alec]

My wife's insistence on buying a Tesla eventually wore me down, and I was forced to part with our 2010 Civic Hybrid and 2012 Prius, both low mileage, going strong, and paid for. So I'm usually the guy complaining about the Tesla at our house. But it is as fun to drive as it is annoying, and I'm gonna call bullshit when I see unfair attacks in the media.

My sister-in-law in Korea thinks our garage will burn down, based on the media coverage over there.

 

[Takumaji]

Batteries can be recycled. The minerals in them are currently too valuable to ship to Asia for scrap. The reason you don't hear about it now is because there are so few batteries ready to be thrown out yet. I just don't see the point of this whole argument. If people buy EV's and like them, let them drive them. Don't discourage more people from jumping on.

Everything can be recycled or at least safely disposed of but you and I both know that this isn't how things usually go. The good stuff gets extracted locally by chemical means, the rest gets shipped to some country below the equator where a friendly dictator is keen on doing his part to keep our air clean and let us feel ecologically okidoki.

Other than that, I wouldn't dream of telling ppl what to drive, I'm just stating my opinion on the matter.

 

[Lagduf]

True, but so is Europe, and people buy electric vehicles there. Why? Because their supermarket is a mile away.

My comment had nothing to do with electric cars.

More so that 14 hours of driving wouldn’t even get you halfway across the United States (east to west).

An electric vehicle would be perfect for me. I commute about 6 miles a day.

 

[StevenK]

My wife's insistence on buying a Tesla eventually wore me down, and I was forced to part with our 2010 Civic Hybrid and 2012 Prius, both low mileage, going strong, and paid for. So I'm usually the guy complaining about the Tesla at our house. But it is as fun to drive as it is annoying, and I'm gonna call bullshit when I see unfair attacks in the media.

My sister-in-law in Korea thinks our garage will burn down, based on the media coverage over there.

The last product I saw getting shit on so readily in the media was e-cigarettes. Endless stories about them blowing people's faces off and causing terrible illness. I mean, I don't want to get all wyo over this, but you don't have to take much of a walk down imagination lane to see what's going on.

 

[Neo Alec]

We drove a 400 mile trip in the Tesla, stopping at Super Chargers both ways. I never want to do that again. It added time to the trip. i'd rather take our hybrid. Or better yet, if only plug-in hybrids were stocked where we live, it would be the best of both worlds.

The naysayers would be surprised how many owners are camped out at Superchargers in the middle of nowhere on any given night.

 

[Neo Alec]

The last product I saw getting shit on so readily in the media was e-cigarettes. Endless stories about them blowing people's faces off and causing terrible illness. I mean, I don't want to get all wyo over this, but you don't have to take much of a walk down imagination lane to see what's going on.

I'm half surprised people still smoke at all, but I'll take your word for it.They seem like an improvement over cigarettes at least. I think the main difference there is their popularity with kids.

 

[StevenK]

I'm half surprised people still smoke at all, but I'll take your word for it.They seem like an improvement over cigarettes at least. I think the main difference there is their popularity with kids.

Nah, what happened is the tobacco industry lost the war, so they just bought all of the e-cig companies and now, like magic, the media doesn't mention it anymore.