How much are you killing the planet? AKA what type of vehicle do you drive?

[GeeseJerky]

True, but so is Europe, and people buy electric vehicles there. Why? Because their supermarket is a mile away.

Do you guys even have bicycles?

 

[lithy]

We're full electric these days, I'm not an environmental obsessive but the electric is so much cheaper to run, plus no congestion charge in London, plus no road tax, plus no ULEZ charge inside the M25 motorway, the list goes on. I like the car too, it's just a fairly basic VW but it's fun.

I also keep a diesel saloon kicking around in case I want to throw the family in the car for a weekend away, I don't feel like the electric infrastructure is quite there yet to risk days away from the home charging plug.

I was wondering the other day though, whether I'd piss the owners off if I threw a charging cable out of the window at an Airbnb. My guess is yes.

A Bentley man reduced to an econo VW BEV, *insert whatever the British equivalent of a crying Bald Eagle is here*.

But yes, heavy purchase subsidies and heavy taxes on ICE vehicles is how they will eventually force everyone either into an EV or, for the unfortunate ones that can't afford an expensive new vehicle, onto their feet. Of course, once they shift everyone over, then they can shift the taxes over since roads aren't free.

The goal is certainly eliminating the use of something that will reduce by maybe a few percent of the global CO2 emissions, balanced by the increase in rubber consumption of heavier battery laden vehicles. Ecotyranny.

 

[Moob Butter]

I think the industry is shifting to Hydrogen in a big way, Toyota is leading the charge on that.

Electric Vehicles have their place in the future sure but I’m betting it will be Hydrogen cars not electric that will be the big sellers 15 or 20 years from now

 

[StevenK]

There's truth to what everyone is saying here, it is a bit sad, I know this. I'll tell you what happened though, I just kind of fell out of love with cars. I owned a car lot for 5 years, then delivered cars by truck, owned a breakers yard, ran a car parts shop, just cars cars cars and basically I got bored. I'll still turn my head if a lambo roars past, but a Merc, BMW, Ford, Volvo etc etc they're all just the same to me.

I guess a piece of me died.

 

[Luke Moerse]

but a Merc, BMW, Ford, Volvo etc etc they're all just the same to me.

But that’s just the problem - moderns cars are all the same now. Everything seems cookie cutter these days…no character.

Don’t think I’ll everbuy one, but I’m just happy something like this exists.

.

 

[Moob Butter]

There's truth to what everyone is saying here, it is a bit sad, I know this. I'll tell you what happened though, I just kind of fell out of love with cars. I owned a car lot for 5 years, then delivered cars by truck, owned a breakers yard, ran a car parts shop, just cars cars cars and basically I got bored. I'll still turn my head if a lambo roars past, but a Merc, BMW, Ford, Volvo etc etc they're all just the same to me.

I guess a piece of me died.

I mean, it’s just a symptom of getting old isn’t it? I feel the same way about my retro gaming tat. I moved house 3 months ago and I haven’t unpacked any of my SNES, Megadrive or Neo Geo shit and I don’t care for it. Between what is on games pass and the PlayStation equivalent that’s plenty for my 4 to 5 hours gaming per week (if even that). I’ll sell the old gaming shit eventually and put that money towards a holiday or something.

I loved driving my 911 and had a couple of great years with it. But now, pretty much every other car feels like a POS by comparison and I don’t care as passionately about them as I used to.

 

[zaneiken]

N/A 5.0L petrol V8, and N/A 3.5L petrol V6

 

[LoneSage]

There's truth to what everyone is saying here, it is a bit sad, I know this. I'll tell you what happened though, I just kind of fell out of love with cars. I owned a car lot for 5 years, then delivered cars by truck, owned a breakers yard, ran a car parts shop, just cars cars cars and basically I got bored. I'll still turn my head if a lambo roars past, but a Merc, BMW, Ford, Volvo etc etc they're all just the same to me.

I guess a piece of me died.

You're one cool motherfucker you know that.

 

[GohanX]

I usually keep up with my gas mileage when I fill up, I got 17 MPG the other day. Turbo go psshhhhhh

 

[Ilovejapangirls]

I have 3 cars, 1 gas turbo charged 2 gas aspirated. I will never buy an EV or a hybrid.

 

[GeeseJerky]

I have 3 cars, 1 gas turbo charged 2 gas aspirated. I will never buy an EV or a hybrid.

How many Japanese girls can fit in all those cars?

 

[promking]

Working in the industry.
I hate modern cars.
I hate EVs, I hate distance sensors, lane departure, windshield condensation sensors, blind spot, precrash... All fucking absolute garbage, that is designed to make you bring the car back to the dealership. People rely to much on this technology now...

Cars from 2000-2010 were peak reliability.
I'll take a 2000 Corolla and drive it everywhere.

Only one car makes me happy and that's my Volkswagen Scirocco.

 

[Tarma]

I went with gas... but then realized both our cars are turbo charged.... one even has two turbos!! lol

But, yeah, fuck alternate fuels... fuck them in the a s s.

 

[wyo]

There's truth to what everyone is saying here, it is a bit sad, I know this. I'll tell you what happened though, I just kind of fell out of love with cars. I owned a car lot for 5 years, then delivered cars by truck, owned a breakers yard, ran a car parts shop, just cars cars cars and basically I got bored. I'll still turn my head if a lambo roars past, but a Merc, BMW, Ford, Volvo etc etc they're all just the same to me.

I guess a piece of me died.

Perfectly normal. New cars are mostly the same and I don't care about them as much either. I used to change cars every year in my 20s, reading the magazines, etc. Now I just want to get around comfortably in my old-man-mobile and deal with as few aggravations as possible.

 

[wataru330]

My ‘other’= plug in hybrid

 

[Luke Moerse]

I hate EVs, I hate distance sensors, lane departure, windshield condensation sensors, blind spot, precrash... All fucking absolute garbage, that is designed to make you bring the car back to the dealership. People rely to much on this technology now...

Yeah this is where I’m at tbh.

I was in the market for a car a few months ago ( my wife and my cars were a 2014 and 2015 respectively) it was shocking to see how much cars changed in that time. And I didn’t like what I saw…

It was literally a struggle to find something that wasn’t over-engineered/designed to hell. I think I made out ok, but will have to replace wife’s car eventually and I don’t like where the industry is headed.

 

[promking]

Yeah this is where I’m at tbh.

I was in the market for a car a few months ago ( my wife and my cars were a 2014 and 2015 respectively) it was shocking to see how much cars changed in that time. And I didn’t like what I saw…

It was literally a struggle to find something that wasn’t over-engineered/designed to hell. I think I made out ok, but will have to replace wife’s car eventually and I don’t like where the industry is headed.

Some of these new cars have Carbon Fiber structure, and aluminum. You're talking big money to repair.

The steel types differ as well from UHSS,HSS, and regular steel. The UHSS and HSS ( ultra high strength steel, and High Strength Steel) have different repairability matrixs... Meaning they can't be repaired with heat, and or reshaped like in the old days. It's basically thin metal, that's been heat treated and if you reintroduce heat, it makes it weak and brittle. This is why so much stuff on cars is unrepairable.

 

[Neo Alec]

I'll be honest, I think auto-braking and lane departure alerts have already prevented accidents for me. I think I'm becoming a worse driver now with old age and working from home.

Put your electric car in the trash followed by your man card.

You're just hella jealous of our new vaginas.

 

[promking]

I'll be honest, I think auto-braking and lane departure alerts have already prevented accidents for me. I think I'm becoming a worse driver now with old age and working from home.

Yeah it's great and all, but it comes with a cost.
These features we're supposed to cut accidents down, but accidents are increasing.
The technology is very expensive to fix.
Sensors, and Calibrations are giant PIAs.
Also Windshield replacements are easy anymore.
Safelite coming to your driveway is starting to become a thing of the past. For example on Subarus, you can't use aftermarket glass, the thickness, clarity, location of the mounting of the camera..If that's slightly different than OEM, then you're going to run into issues calibrating the system.
Now let's talk about calibrations! You need tens of thousands of dollars of calibration equipment to perform these calibrations. All manufacters have different software, different targets, and procedures.
It's fun to do this on the road, in someone's driveway. ( You need a level surface )

 

[100proof]

I still have a gas guzzler but that's largely because I don't really drive much anymore and I can't work up the interest to get a new car. The wife has a hybrid we use for long trips and I basically just go to the grocery store or out to grab dinner anymore.

I like a few of the newer cars out there (test drove an Ioniq 6 a couple of months ago) but like promking said, all of those automated features come at a price: fixing ANYTHING on a car has become stupid expensive and all of the parts are proprietary. Plus the last few times I've rented cars, the lane change alerts and drift prevention systems make me nuts.

I dunno... my car still only has like 70k miles on it. I could easily have it for another 5 years unless something really jumps out at me.

 

[Neo Alec]

Yeah it's great and all, but it comes with a cost.
These features we're supposed to cut accidents down, but accidents are increasing.
The technology is very expensive to fix.
Sensors, and Calibrations are giant PIAs.
Also Windshield replacements are easy anymore.
Safelite coming to your driveway is starting to become a thing of the past. For example on Subarus, you can't use aftermarket glass, the thickness, clarity, location of the mounting of the camera..If that's slightly different than OEM, then you're going to run into issues calibrating the system.
Now let's talk about calibrations! You need tens of thousands of dollars of calibration equipment to perform these calibrations. All manufacters have different software, different targets, and procedures.
It's fun to do this on the road, in someone's driveway. ( You need a level surface )

In the long run accidents will go down. The feature contribute to complacency, but they also prevent accidents.

Yes, these features cause issues that need to be fixed. An EV is still less maintenance in the long run.

 

[wyo]

In the long run accidents will go down. The feature contribute to complacency, but they also prevent accidents.

Yes, these features cause issues that need to be fixed. An EV is still less maintenance in the long run.

Until the battery dies, then what?

 

[Luke Moerse]

Until the battery dies, then what?

Not only that, but with a simple ICE any mechanic could service those…and many people (not me ) could do it themselves.

But as cars get more and more complicated you are just going to be more and more dependent on the dealer…and at their mercy. Not a good thing.

 

[promking]

In the long run accidents will go down. The feature contribute to complacency, but they also prevent accidents.

Yes, these features cause issues that need to be fixed. An EV is still less maintenance in the long run.

Let's talk about self driving.
Liability is the biggest issue with self driving, who's at fault when they crash?
That's why automakers are moving away from that...Whos fault is it? Should the company who makes the car pay??? The person behind the wheel? Are they operating?

Until the battery dies, then what?

Exactly, ask a Hyundai Kona owner for example.
Batteries cost as much as the entire car.

 

[Moob Butter]

Cars from 2000-2010 were peak reliability.

Hmm, I’d probably go for the decade before that one but I agree with the vibes.

Mercedes build quality for example really dipped in the early 2000s. Their beasts from the 80s and 90s where typically a lot more robust.

Take a Toyota from nearly any period and it will still work though I agree.