How many of you are mentally ill?

NGT

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...and therein lies the problem


In pills being given out for things that don't need them, or someone taking something lightly and viewing it basically as nonexistent, while other folks see it as their main personal struggle in life.

I'm not saying some folks don't have serious issues, but I am saying I don't agree with a lot of the people that sit back and say "I have this, it's my excuse to let behaviors go sometimes, and if things don't work out great for me in life, I have something to blame besides myself".

Especially when the issues are so common in people that wouldn't even think about getting "diagnosed".

Again, this isn't aimed at anyone directly. Just my opinion. I don't agree with giving hyper kids meds to calm down. I don't agree with giving depressed high school kids meds to smile more.

I don't think that issues that have been around for years need a new label for people to deal with it. If it does help them, cool. If it gives them an excuse not to deal with their issues, not cool.
 

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SO IN SHORT, i'm suggesting you get spiritual--- though, the reality of that suggestion is much more complex than such a cliched meme could ever suggest. and i feel that there's such a negative connotation associated with the suggestion of spirituality that, unless preemptively defended, its often immediately dismissed.

That's a solution that I've been contemplating (and fighting against) for some time now.

You're right though: the solution may be even more complex than the problem it seems.

I wouldn't even know where to begin...
Adopting a system of beliefs goes against every fiber of my being....but there's this blind certainty, a totality...and bliss with finding your place in the universe that seems to be the underpinning of many belief systems...I don't know if I can even grab onto these ideas long enough to utilize them.

What I DO know is that looking inward and seeking answers in some meditative state won't help at this point. My mind is a gutter and dealing with my own demons is like fighting a hydra...the answers have to come from somewhere else. Not from within.




Maybe this "mechanism" is the thing I need to be looking for after all. My work is cut out for me.


It's good that you got better though.
Thanks for listening and thank you for the advice.
 
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What I DO know is that looking inward and seeking answers in some meditative state won't help at this point. My mind is a gutter and dealing with my own demons is like fighting a hydra...the answers have to come from somewhere else. Not from within.

i felt IDENTICAL to what you describe.
 

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What kind of drugs do you partake in?

occasionally i smoke weed, but that's it. im against all synthetic drugs, they lower the vibrationally frequency of my spirit...whereas weed seemingly raises it.
 

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People who say ADD is bullshit are full of it...people that use ADD as some sort of crutch are also full of it.

ADD is a pain in the ass but it is manageable for adults. I've been dealing with it most of my life (as far back as I can remember)...I don't make excuses for it but I realize it's a problem I have and one that I need to constantly work with (note I didn't say "work on" as there is no fix for it...)

Agreed, I've never used my condition as a crutch. As a matter of fact, If I told the University that I attend that I have ADD they'd make accommodations for me (extra time to take tests, extended deadlines, etc.), but I won't do it because I feel like this is something I need to overcome, not be babied for. I haven't told anyone at my work either. I won't do it because I don't want people feeling sorry for me or going easy on me.
 

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You know,

Anyone that comes in here for no other reason than to poke fun at people who are letting down their defenses must have the absolute worst life out of everyone in the thread.

Even Segata didn't do that, and god knows he is often a one post thread troll.

Alright, alright.

I'm sorry I made fun of Phish. I'm sure they're very talented
 

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Here's the bottom line on a lot of 'beliefs' about things.

First off, it makes people feel strong and powerful to say 'Oh get over that shit, you're fine, just eccentric' Because when they say this, they feel internally like they are sticking it to the world. Or its some excuse for certain behavior that we can completely control.

The FACT of the matter is that unless you're experiencing it personally, your beliefs are nonsense on these issues. If anything, doctors over medicate or misdiagnose shit by making 'stab in the dark' cocktails that address things and test effect others. This in turn comes into public view when they see someone with a lot of medications, then this view comes down to a hearsay situation where other people hear about it, or see it and think that this stuff is entirely not needed and everyone can just work out what they have with personal power.

This of course follows with telling the sufferers they are weak minded, or its completely in there control, as these same people reflect on their lives by thinking about their past experiences which is a completely unfair comparison, because you don't have it. Try telling that shit to someone with Schizophrenia. Its like telling a amputee to stop bitching and throw a football.

ADHD is another thing, but I don't have it, so I cannot be sure how bad it can be in specific individuals, to where you need the meds just to stay calm. I always thought it was bullshit just so Pharma companies could find something else to profit from, until I met my friend Adrian.

OCD is a entirely different problem. I really think it should get recognition in the future for being a entirely thought driven version of schizophrenia. This shit is way different then a simple disorder. I probably have had it most of my life, and had the worst onset at age ten. My grandma had it also.

I didn't realize how badly she had it until I was old enough to see it first hand. She was a very bright person though, and so sick good as a musician on piano. She even had tabs for rimsky korsakov, so thats a huge indicator of her ability.

My problem isn't some made up thing. I've had it for what seems like forever. I never knew that others didn't feel this way, I saw the world in a glass to glass sense to where I just expected everyone to be just like me with no difference. In that biologically speaking, I felt the guilt I did, because I believed it was my fault.

I had a onset of massive near suicide level anxiety as a child at age ten, and in matters of detail I've always had the upper hand when it came to learning material of any nature, and was highly creative and bright. I repeatedly blamed myself for the way I felt, but I had no clue that these feelings were fabricated mentally and not something to truly feel bad about of my own creation.

Imagine a example of going to a ATM, and someone appears behind you with a gun and demands money. That is pretty much what OCD sufferers deal with constantly, that fight or flight anxiety. Only, there is no TRUE present danger. We realize this, but when you get a internal signal that doesn't match external means, you end up doing things to try to 'make it right', or repeat nonsensical shit to feel better. The result no matter what is a feeling of defeat and guilt. Even if at the beginning doing those rituals/actions makes you feel better for a few hours, what ends up happening, is you reinforce the importance of doing this nonsense by doing actions, which causes more actions later, so saying the number 'six' for 10 repetitions can eventually decay in 1,000 reps... This can take considerable time up until you basically have no life.

This can manifest in many ways, IE: Saying certain phrases, cleaning your hands endlessly. Driving around making sure you didn't kill someone accidentally on the way home, touching the wall 929 times ... The issue stems from the brains inability to filter nonsense from reality.

I also am a solid student, and am heading for a goal of being highly educated. I don't use it as a excuse in my life either, its just a struggle I have to deal with either way. That's life though. Anyways, keep em coming, good reading some of your guys situations.
 
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just to reinforce the point. ADD has biological causes, its not merely behavioral. The drugs taken are not sedatives, but actually stimulants, so the brain will actually feel stimulated, because people with ADD have a very hard time feeling sensory stimulation.

However, I do feel ADD is over-diagnosed and is occasionally substituted for the real disorder...
lousy parents.
 

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Fact is, no one gives a shit.

And if it's your bread n butter delivery for trying nail chicks, then you're a pansy homo. There's other ways to bag dumpy girls, like pretending to be a democrat and caring about what Obama does.

Fuckin keep personal shit to yourself and your therapist.

Here's the bottom line on a lot of 'beliefs' about things.

First off, it makes people feel strong and powerful to say 'Oh get over that shit, you're fine, just eccentric' Because when they say this, they feel internally like they are sticking it to the world. Or its some excuse for certain behavior that we can completely control.

The FACT of the matter is that unless you're experiencing it personally, your beliefs are nonsense on these issues. If anything, doctors over medicate or misdiagnose shit by making 'stab in the dark' cocktails that address things and test effect others. This in turn comes into public view when they see someone with a lot of medications, then this view comes down to a hearsay situation where other people hear about it, or see it and think that this stuff is entirely not needed and everyone can just work out what they have with personal power.

This of course follows with telling the sufferers they are weak minded, or its completely in there control, as these same people reflect on their lives by thinking about their past experiences which is a completely unfair comparison, because you don't have it. Try telling that shit to someone with Schizophrenia. Its like telling a amputee to stop bitching and throw a football.

ADHD is another thing, but I don't have it, so I cannot be sure how bad it can be in specific individuals, to where you need the meds just to stay calm. I always thought it was bullshit just so Pharma companies could find something else to profit from, until I met my friend Adrian.

OCD is a entirely different problem. I really think it should get recognition in the future for being a entirely thought driven version of schizophrenia. This shit is way different then a simple disorder. I probably have had it most of my life, and had the worst onset at age ten. My grandma had it also.

I didn't realize how badly she had it until I was old enough to see it first hand. She was a very bright person though, and so sick good as a musician on piano. She even had tabs for rimsky korsakov, so thats a huge indicator of her ability.

My problem isn't some made up thing. I've had it for what seems like forever. I never knew that others didn't feel this way, I saw the world in a glass to glass sense to where I just expected everyone to be just like me with no difference. In that biologically speaking, I felt the guilt I did, because I believed it was my fault.

I had a onset of massive near suicide level anxiety as a child at age ten, and in matters of detail I've always had the upper hand when it came to learning material of any nature, and was highly creative and bright. I repeatedly blamed myself for the way I felt, but I had no clue that these feelings were fabricated mentally and not something to truly feel bad about of my own creation.

Imagine a example of going to a ATM, and someone appears behind you with a gun and demands money. That is pretty much what OCD sufferers deal with constantly, that fight or flight anxiety. Only, there is no TRUE present danger. We realize this, but when you get a internal signal that doesn't match external means, you end up doing things to try to 'make it right', or repeat nonsensical shit to feel better. The result no matter what is a feeling of defeat and guilt. Even if at the beginning doing those rituals/actions makes you feel better for a few hours, what ends up happening, is you reinforce the importance of doing this nonsense by doing actions, which causes more actions later, so saying the number 'six' for 10 repetitions can eventually decay in 1,000 reps... This can take considerable time up until you basically have no life.

This can manifest in many ways, IE: Saying certain phrases, cleaning your hands endlessly. Driving around making sure you didn't kill someone accidentally on the way home, touching the wall 929 times ... The issue stems from the brains inability to filter nonsense from reality.

I also am a solid student, and am heading for a goal of being highly educated. I don't use it as a excuse in my life either, its just a struggle I have to deal with either way. That's life though. Anyways, keep em coming, good reading some of your guys situations.
 

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occasionally i smoke weed, but that's it. im against all synthetic drugs, they lower the vibrationally frequency of my spirit...whereas weed seemingly raises it.

yeah, I'll try using that line next time someone blows my spot.

"It raises the vibrationally frequency of my spirit."

Are you high right now? what does that even mean?!
 

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Fact is, no one gives a shit.

And if it's your bread n butter delivery for trying nail chicks, then you're a pansy homo. There's other ways to bag dumpy girls, like pretending to be a democrat and caring about what Obama does.

Fuckin keep personal shit to yourself and your therapist.

lol at the democrat line

but seriously, we're approaching a turning point [fritjof capra!] where humans will begin to realize that together we can accomplish much more than apart---that darwinism and competitive evolution isn't the best way of doing things. and people who can't make the transition to living a more cooperative lifestyle? they're going to disappear.
 

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but seriously, we're approaching a turning point [fritjof capra!] where humans will begin to realize that together we can accomplish much more than apart---that darwinism and competitive evolution isn't the best way of doing things. and people who can't make the transition to living a more cooperative lifestyle? they're going to disappear.
When you say "approaching," you mean within the next 10,000 years, right? You're not expecting this to occur within your lifespan, I hope.

What happened to you at college, man? I bet they could make a kick-ass movie about it. Or at least some kind of cautionary after-school tv thing, if networks ever start making stuff like that again. You made another comment like this in a thread a while back and I laughed it off as some kind of harmless new-age retro-hippie bullshit, but now I think you may actually be in trouble.
 

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lol at the democrat line

but seriously, we're approaching a turning point [fritjof capra!] where humans will begin to realize that together we can accomplish much more than apart---that darwinism and competitive evolution isn't the best way of doing things. and people who can't make the transition to living a more cooperative lifestyle? they're going to disappear.

Darwinism? When have we had Darwinism in the past 50 years? Now we have drugs to balance out the retards, plastic surgery to allow naturally unattractive people to continue procreating when they should be going extinct, and a fucked legal system that allows shady fucks to screw good people over, with laws that protect the weak as they fuck those that should be genetically superior, in a very der ring des nibelungen kind of way.

Fuck integrating with people. It's like trying to date women online. You have no fucking clue what you're really dealing with anymore. It's a fucked illusion.
 

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When you say "approaching," you mean within the next 10,000 years, right? You're not expecting this to occur within your lifespan, I hope.

What happened to you at college, man? I bet they could make a kick-ass movie about it. Or at least some kind of cautionary after-school tv thing, if networks ever start making stuff like that again. You made another comment like this in a thread a while back and I laughed it off as some kind of harmless new-age retro-hippie bullshit, but now I think you may actually be in trouble.

to each his own.

its a pattern ive been recognizing in the world for a while. many others are noticing it...but it makes sense, if you're not one of those people, chances are you are not surrounded BY THOSE PEOPLE...and in turn, you hear little discussion about the things they see and feel.
 

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to each his own.

its a pattern ive been recognizing in the world for a while. many others are noticing it...but it makes sense, if you're not one of those people, chances are you are not surrounded BY THOSE PEOPLE...and in turn, you hear little discussion about the things they see and feel.

warning: many others believe in horoscopes.
 

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Darwinism? When have we had Darwinism in the past 50 years? Now we have drugs to balance out the retards, plastic surgery to allow naturally unattractive people to continue procreating when they should be going extinct, and a fucked legal system that allows shady fucks to screw good people over, with laws that protect the weak as they fuck those that should be genetically superior, in a very der ring des nibelungen kind of way.

Fuck integrating with people. It's like trying to date women online. You have no fucking clue what you're really dealing with anymore. It's a fucked illusion.

i only reference darwinism to point out the fact that many of the social/financial systems of the western world have been influenced heavily by it and its notion that ONLY competition breeds success.

competition is one of our greatest strengths, no doubt. its a beautiful thing to see the wonders we create when we've got the fire of competition behind us. unfortunately, we're a pretty easily socially engineered species...and when the people in power want us to only embrace the negative aspects of competition in order to stifle our the TRUE PROGRESSION of our species...its gross, dude.
 

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warning: many others believe in horoscopes.

horoscopes really dont have much to do with anything im talking about, but i am aware that there are people who believe in them. real astrology, and the math behind it, is interesting...if you subscribe to numerology...which is really just another way of looking at the universe as a complex, written code or program...a notion that doesnt seem very far fetched considering we, as lifeforms within this universe, have begun to recreate our own primitive virtual worlds within...blah blah blah

don't dig on me chaz...i'm not trying to start a fight or claim i have all the answers to the universe like some guru, i'm just throwing ideas out there.
 

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lol at the democrat line

but seriously, we're approaching a turning point [fritjof capra!] where humans will begin to realize that together we can accomplish much more than apart---that darwinism and competitive evolution isn't the best way of doing things. and people who can't make the transition to living a more cooperative lifestyle? they're going to disappear.

I wish I shared your optimism in that. Personally, I see narcissism at its very height in our society right now.


LWK, getting upset at how others view this issue isn't going to help you any. Some people just won't understand and that is fine.

NGT, I hate to break it to you, but problems like depression are often caused by neuro-chemical imbalances. Much like kidneys can fail to function the way they need to in order for one to survive requiring dialysis the brain can fail to function properly as well. A lot of depression, especially bi-polar disorder, is caused by a rapid intake of the chemicals (serotonin and dopamine) that cause elated moods in people, thus causing a brief euphoric sense followed by a lengthy period of misery when the reserves are tapped out. It is akin to the mood issues many people suffer when coming down from cocaine or ecstasy after prolonged exposure. Those pills you think are so unnecessary help regulate the intake of the afore-mentioned neurotransmitters. And if this wasn't a real problem I don't think suicide would be the 3rd most common cause of death for people under 25 in the US.

I will grant you that for at least a decade now there has been a cross section of the high school and early college age population that thinks its cool to be all "dark and brooding". In my age group it was the Marylin Manson crowd and now its emo kids, but we aren't talking about that type of phenomena here. We are trying to discuss real illnesses.
 

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to each his own.

its a pattern ive been recognizing in the world for a while.
All you're doing is parroting things said by naively optimistic tune-in/drop-out young people in the late-1960s, who managed to accomplish pretty much nothing.

If you really want to change the world for the better, you need to think more long-game, do whatever little part you are capable of during your lifetime, and not expect to reap the benefits/witness the results yourself. It's crazy to expect things to drastically change quickly. I mean, freshman year at college when you are hanging out all night at the 24-hour coffee shop just off-campus, it's fun and relatively harmless to believe in whatever and think that anything is possible. But hanging onto that mindset for too long could signify a break with reality.


...but it makes sense, if you're not one of those people, chances are you are not surrounded BY THOSE PEOPLE...
Yeah, I think we have identified the unsurprising source of your delusion: "THOSE PEOPLE" who are surrounding you. I also suspect that mind-altering substances play a part. You may have damaged yourself. Hopefully, not permanently.
 

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i only reference darwinism to point out the fact that many of the social/financial systems of the western world have been influenced heavily by it and its notion that ONLY competition breeds success.

competition is one of our greatest strengths, no doubt. its a beautiful thing to see the wonders we create when we've got the fire of competition behind us. unfortunately, we're a pretty easily socially engineered species...and when the people in power want us to only embrace the negative aspects of competition in order to stifle our the TRUE PROGRESSION of our species...its gross, dude.

I failed to see darwinism in the bailouts. All those unions investing pension plans should have been fucked in the ass with the wrong end of a tennis racket. I don't give a fuck if it would have destroyed the lives of teachers and firemen and dildos. But that's just one example. Competition in business never really means better business or evolution. Apple is a better business than Dell, with a much better revenue to employee ratio. But that's not evolution, it's a fuckin ipod selling itself. If dell made the ipod it would filthy rich too, with a massive horde of idiots jizzing to pictures of Michael Dell like he was Steve Skeletor Jobs. And besides, competition only happens on a low level in business. When it gets too big the antitrust lawyers step in and put an end to "evolution."
 

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All you're doing is parroting things said by naively optimistic tune-in/drop-out young people in the late-1960s, who managed to accomplish pretty much nothing.

If you really want to change the world for the better, you need to think more long-game, do whatever little part you are capable of during your lifetime, and not expect to reap the benefits/witness the results yourself. It's crazy to expect things to drastically change quickly. I mean, freshman year at college when you are hanging out all night at the 24-hour coffee shop just off-campus, it's fun and relatively harmless to believe in whatever and think that anything is possible. But hanging onto that mindset for too long could signify a break with reality.


Yeah, I think we have identified the unsurprising source of your delusion: "THOSE PEOPLE" who are surrounding you. I also suspect that mind-altering substances play a part. You may have damaged yourself. Hopefully, not permanently.

well, i know you're striking out against me with negativity, but why?

the things i'm espousing are generally positive things. honestly, i can only assume you're lashing out because the positivity is totally alien to you, and as such, scares you in some weird way.

its not that surprising---most people in the world are caught up in themselves, and react the same way to any positivity that isn't grounded in the nihilism of this generation. it's how you're taught to react to joy and optimism---dismiss it! lol

i don't do psychedelics...not that i wouldnt. regardless, my current worldview is a result of 26 years of life experience, and that's it.
 

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well, i know you're striking out against me with negativity, but why?

the things i'm espousing are generally positive things. honestly, i can only assume you're lashing out because the positivity is totally alien to you, and as such, scares you in some weird way.

its not that surprising---most people in the world are caught up in themselves, and react the same way to any positivity that isn't grounded in the nihilism of this generation. it's how you're taught to react to joy and optimism---dismiss it! lol

i don't do psychedelics...not that i wouldnt. regardless, my current worldview is a result of 26 years of life experience, and that's it.

There's nothing positive about illusions nor delusions.

Responding to cynicism as if it were hostility and then pumping your gospel as positive... Very Branch Davidian.
 
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