Graphic Design for an Imaginary MVS NG/arcade console

lachlan

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That means dealing with your crap is relatively trivial. It was just an insult, no offense was intended.


I thought I was clear about what I needed, but let me unpack that more:

  1. Working this material is unfamiliar to me. And it is difficult and EXPENSIVE. Therefore I will require better info than I currently have, if I want to proceed. Precision isn't just ideal, it's the minimum needed to proceed.

    From an absolutely practical standpoint, I can't proceed without better information. My process demands a paper/digital approach, which means I'm not going to touch an acetylene torch or my wallet until I know exactly where I'm going.

  2. I cannot just "go to the garage and cut some material" — stainless steel isn't wood. I have no shop gear for cutting metal at this scale, which means I am obliged to pay for shop time to get it done, which leads us back to 1.

    Now, could I do this in wood? Yes. Am I? No. (See design notes above for details.)

  3. This is part of a larger process. And I'm sharing. Is that a problem? Now, is that my problem?

    Your challenge to me is uninformed and slightly frustrating because "just go do it" misses the fact there's often a process involved, and that I need to start somewhere. Some of you appear to find that personally irritating, which, frankly, is bizarre, unless you are exclusively used to having things handed to you whole and complete without any trace of sweat on it. I wish I lived in that world, but I generally have to start somewhere.

    Again, I am here to learn about the Neo Geo.

  4. I also never promised to make this for another reason: the cost. The price of steel isn't cheap or trivial, but if this is something others are better suited or prepared for, they should go for it.

    I won't promise to make anything if it turns out I can't afford to make it.




Or I deemed it less appropriate, given that:

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If I were making fan art, I probably would have posted it there. But this isn't fan art, as I said above.

Also, as I have stated, the fact that I have minimal to no prior experience with your hobby should suggest something about the concept of "fan" and my status thereof.

There are things I'm definitely a fan of. The Neo Geo hasn't been one of them—because my experience differed from yours. To me it's indistinguishable from most other forms of arcade entertainment, which itself was limited because of my own upbringing.

It was mere light and noise from an expensive, darkened room. At the time when it was new, I was just not interested in it, partly because I was "playing" with big iron and doing cutting edge stuff with 3D graphics. (And not to put too fine a point on it, I was staring at a CRT for 10+ hours a day—coming home usually meant I wanted to do other things instead.)

And, paradoxically, I was too old for that sort of entertainment. Had I participated then, it would not have held my attention.

But something happened: I got even older, and the old 2D artistry of electronic entertainment had mystery and appeal.



You're in luck.

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Yeah, sorry, but I don't get you.


i am now subscribed to this thread. please let me know when pre-order is available. i'm willing to pay in advance and wait over 5 years. limited updates throughout the process, is okay.

Why wait when you can participate? Preorders are immediately payable to you, by acquiring materials you need to make it come true.

If you have any MVS PCBs, you're ahead of the preorder line already.
 
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I spent the vast majority of today reviewing the design of this console. I don't know what happened exactly... but I see the vision. I have a proof of concept prototype ready but I need YOUR help to see this vision come to life.

If anyone would to pre-order now is the time:













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I spent the vast majority of today reviewing the design of this console. I don't know what happened exactly... but I see the vision. I have a proof of concept prototype ready but I need YOUR help to see this vision come to life.

If anyone would to pre-order now is the time:













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Do you have a platinum tier early adopter limited edition 1/25 x-tra special edition I could preorder. I have $5,000 that I must spend on this item that will never make it to market. It can only be described as "art" in its purest form.
 

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Early adopters get the very limited "Legend of Success Joe" themed CMVS. There will only be 10 of these ever made.

Other perks for early adopters include dinner with the creative team at Waffle House, and a SNK bumper sticker.

In order to bring this to market I need to raise enough money to purchase an English AES copy of Metal Slug 2 and Ramen noodles.

This project will launch on indigogo or whichever one doesn't give refunds.

The Future Is Now

http://orc.one/
 
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[*]I do not own any Neo Geo hardware at this time, though this may change.
[*]I have never encountered the hardware in the real world, and have only recently played some of the games in emulation.

"Hello, I've recently become aware of an invention known as the wheel. I've never actually encountered one before, however, I've already begun to devise a way to reinvent it".

Then again, I'm not familiar with the ambitions and thought processes (typical?) of designers.

Perhaps I'm the one with the strange line of thought!
 
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"Hello, I've recently become aware of an invention known as the wheel. I've never actually encountered one before, however, I've already begun to devise a way to reinvent it".

Then again, I'm not familiar with the ambitions and thought processes (typical?) of designers.

Perhaps I'm the one with the strange line of thought!

This isn't the thought process of a typical designer. This is the thought process of someone trying to extract some use out of their art degree without having any money, talent, resources, or willpower to actually accomplish anything.
 

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Doooooooo I really need to recap things I've said here? Nobody else seems to be doing it, but when in the neo geo forums ... ok:

My name is Scott.
  • I am an artist and a designer.
  • I am here to learn about the Neo Geo.
  • I am designing some cases for MVS PCBs.
  • I do not own any Neo Geo hardware at this time, though this may change.
  • I have never encountered the hardware in the real world, and have only recently played some of the games in emulation.
  • I have little to no interest in the AES; it's not an arcade machine.
  • I live in Alaska, but have lived all over the world.
  • Designing is doing.
  • I am also interested in vintage UNIX hardware, evolutionary biology, evo-devo, tabletop, and social media site development, but that's not important.
  • My wife is none of your business. She's cool. You are not.
  • A statement of fact cannot be insolent.

Incidentally, if anyone who has the materials wants to make something I've designed, I'd love to see photos of the work-in-progress.

Meanwhile, I am limited as to what I can actually make myself. Apparently, MVS PCBs don't grow on trees—not up here anyway—and I lack some key ingredients.



1. Really? Which is your favorite? We can talk about them instead if you like. Would putting you at the center of the conversation be more to your liking?

2. It's a screenshot, not a render. If it were a render I'd have used shaders and not used a screenshot.

3. It's an update of what I'm working on, not a promise, not a product, not something you can buy, but you could make it yourself if you chose to. And indeed, if you own any of the hardware, you would be ahead in the process, as I have only been able to receive a limited amount of information here.

Otherwise, your objection appears whiny and entitled to me. I think the best benefit to ignoring me may be for your blood pressure.

bro, chill. this is a welcome. ng.com style.

if ya cant deal with this, you gotta find somewhere else to hang around.
 

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This isn't the thought process of a typical designer.


Ok. Enlighten me. What is?


This is the thought process of someone trying to extract some use out of their art degree without having any money, talent, resources, or willpower to actually accomplish anything.

Literally none of this describes me. (Though money…that's an unknown, something dependent on other as yet unknowns.)

Where did I ever promise to make this? I just wanted some info so I could design it, and, resources permitting, make one for myself.

There are no perks, no product, no promise, no kickstarter, only a personal project. I am selling you…nothing. I'm designing it for me, and apparently oversharing the start.

The mockups I made appear to have touched a nerve in some way I had no way of knowing about.

"Hello, I've recently become aware of an invention known as the wheel. I've never actually encountered one before, however, I've already begun to devise a way to reinvent it".

Your mileage may vary.

bro, chill. this is a welcome. ng.com style.

if ya cant deal with this, you gotta find somewhere else to hang around.

Oh. I thought we were done with all that. I get wordy when I don't understand why people seem really upset over something which seems relatively trivial.

Ok, so we're actually cool?
 

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  1. Working this material is unfamiliar to me. And it is difficult and EXPENSIVE. Therefore I will require better info than I currently have, if I want to proceed. Precision isn't just ideal, it's the minimum needed to proceed.

    From an absolutely practical standpoint, I can't proceed without better information. My process demands a paper/digital approach, which means I'm not going to touch an acetylene torch or my wallet until I know exactly where I'm going.

  2. I cannot just "go to the garage and cut some material" — stainless steel isn't wood. I have no shop gear for cutting metal at this scale, which means I am obliged to pay for shop time to get it done, which leads us back to 1.

    Now, could I do this in wood? Yes. Am I? No. (See design notes above for details.)


  1. This makes me think you've never actually worked. So you are telling me there is no such thing as prototyping? So you mean, for example, they don't do anything like...clay modeling for prototyping car designs (something infinitely more complex than what you are doing) prior to working with the actual materials?
 

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This makes me think you've never actually worked. So you are telling me there is no such thing as prototyping? So you mean, for example, they don't do anything like...clay modeling for prototyping car designs (something infinitely more complex than what you are doing) prior to working with the actual materials?

I have 30 years in print design, slightly less for 3D (no degree), but if you mean I have never worked in manufacturing, that's correct. I've done some 2.5D one-offs for some projects (like as a model of Microraptor gui) made of gator board or poster board, but that's about it.

I have access to some folk with actual industrial design degrees, and they tell me this is about right—at least so far. I've been deferring to their experience, but someone probably always knows more.

I don't envision anything that complicated; room for PCB, PS, port holes cut for interfaces, vents, power &c. Maybe a control system to make it slightly more convenient, but that's all internals. It seems pretty basic to me.

If I did make this, it would be welded together with hard points for tapping screws for the internal components. I didn't think I needed to prototype anything at this stage, apart from maybe a cardboard mockup or something. I'd just do some plans, get the parts fabbed, then get some instruction on welding, then put it together.

I have to pay for shop time in another town, so I'd like to have all the info I needed before starting. Even to make a prototype, wouldn't I still need to know where to put cartridge ports? And I don't have that info yet.
 
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I would be interested in seeing some jagged images of your wife being 6-slotted.
 

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I spent the vast majority of today reviewing the design of this console. I don't know what happened exactly... but I see the vision. I have a proof of concept prototype ready but I need YOUR help to see this vision come to life.

If anyone would to pre-order now is the time:













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Pfft, that does not look absurdly durable.
 

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That means dealing with your crap is relatively trivial. It was just an insult, no offense was intended.


I thought I was clear about what I needed, but let me unpack that more:

  1. Working this material is unfamiliar to me. And it is difficult and EXPENSIVE. Therefore I will require better info than I currently have, if I want to proceed. Precision isn't just ideal, it's the minimum needed to proceed.

    From an absolutely practical standpoint, I can't proceed without better information. My process demands a paper/digital approach, which means I'm not going to touch an acetylene torch or my wallet until I know exactly where I'm going.

  2. I cannot just "go to the garage and cut some material" — stainless steel isn't wood. I have no shop gear for cutting metal at this scale, which means I am obliged to pay for shop time to get it done, which leads us back to 1.

    Now, could I do this in wood? Yes. Am I? No. (See design notes above for details.)

  3. This is part of a larger process. And I'm sharing. Is that a problem? Now, is that my problem?

    Your challenge to me is uninformed and slightly frustrating because "just go do it" misses the fact there's often a process involved, and that I need to start somewhere. Some of you appear to find that personally irritating, which, frankly, is bizarre, unless you are exclusively used to having things handed to you whole and complete without any trace of sweat on it. I wish I lived in that world, but I generally have to start somewhere.

    Again, I am here to learn about the Neo Geo.

  4. I also never promised to make this for another reason: the cost. The price of steel isn't cheap or trivial, but if this is something others are better suited or prepared for, they should go for it.

    I won't promise to make anything if it turns out I can't afford to make it.




Or I deemed it less appropriate, given that:

View attachment 56668

If I were making fan art, I probably would have posted it there. But this isn't fan art, as I said above.

Also, as I have stated, the fact that I have minimal to no prior experience with your hobby should suggest something about the concept of "fan" and my status thereof.

There are things I'm definitely a fan of. The Neo Geo hasn't been one of them—because my experience differed from yours. To me it's indistinguishable from most other forms of arcade entertainment, which itself was limited because of my own upbringing.

It was mere light and noise from an expensive, darkened room. At the time when it was new, I was just not interested in it, partly because I was "playing" with big iron and doing cutting edge stuff with 3D graphics. (And not to put too fine a point on it, I was staring at a CRT for 10+ hours a day—coming home usually meant I wanted to do other things instead.)

And, paradoxically, I was too old for that sort of entertainment. Had I participated then, it would not have held my attention.

But something happened: I got even older, and the old 2D artistry of electronic entertainment had mystery and appeal.



You're in luck.

Were you injected with autism?
 

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Someone change his username to Dorc.one
 

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Guise, I want to build a non-Euclidean imaginary 6-Slot. Plz give good feedback. If someone does all of the work for me and pays for all of the materials this will be done. Probably.
 
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