FIXED! Infinity debunked. Xbox One is the official name.

Earthquake24

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It's going to be really funny when Sony announces that just like the Xbox One, the PS4's camera will always be on and watching/listening thanks to the move integration they've built into the controllers and console itself. They've already confirmed they'll be following the same method as Microsoft (due to the publishers being the ones that want it, I doubt MS and Sony really care) for used games... Even if neither will confirm or deny what that actually means. It'll be hysterical when people who are so concerned about backward compatibility realize this streaming solution Sony is purposing doesn't do the games justice, doesn't work right, or is just a hassle and is abandoned. People are grasping at straws. Both consoles are going to have the same shit on them. They're going to do all the same horrid stuff. They're basically the same damn thing. If people don't like the way gaming is going, well... Guess gaming is going to go on without them. Nobody is going to white knight this shit.

I agree for the most part. Sony isn't going to come running in on the white horse and rescue the gaming industry from the dreaded "DRM". There is simply no way I could believe that publishers are going to be ok with one company in Microsoft doing it and another, Sony, simply not. Sony and Microsoft no doubt have had informal talks about these sorts of implementations before work on their next-gen consoles even took place. Microsoft, for their bad luck, talked more openly than they wanted to and muddled whatever messanging they tried to get across, while Sony plays sly and says virtually nothing, soaking up 'the good will' that MS handed them.

The common denominator is money and Sony is going to want their opportunity to some of that pie too. The current twitter campaign going on now with people tweeting Sony's top brass (and now they have started doing it to Microsoft) every second with #PS4NoDRM and #XboxOneNoDRM tags in an attempt to stop them from implementing DRM is noble.....It's too far along for either of them to stop now. The publishers want it, they want the cut of 'used games' and Sony/Microsoft want it.
 

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In the previous gen they experimented implementing DLC and see if the gamers will bite. The gamers took it.

In the current gen they experiment implementing this crap. They want to see how far they can get away with stuff like this.

Put up with shit, and shit's all you're gonna get.
 

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In the previous gen they experimented implementing DLC and see if the gamers will bite. The gamers took it.

In the current gen they experiment implementing this crap. They want to see how far they can get away with stuff like this.

Put up with shit, and shit's all you're gonna get.
You forgot to mention the Kinect: Biggest selling gadget of whatever the fuck whatever. Now look?!

PPL will bite. I was one FIRMLY in the camp of no DLC for me ever, around 8 years ago. No physical media, no sale simple. But I just paid for and downloaded 3x PSN titles on sale last night, because the price was right (DDNeon, 3SHD & MOrigins - all half price!) so I could justify it. Fact still remains though, I said I'd never do it.

We always do. Photo's online. Payments online. Online shopping etc. All stuff I initially disagreed with, I did it all in the end. And, whatever it is we're all trying to fight against now re: XBone & PS4 - they'll still do it and we'll eventually accept it. And, as newer generations come into gaming it will become even more acceptable as older generations (like us) walk away...
 

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I have only been subscribed for a 2-3 months, but they've been giving away cool free games for nearly two years now, I think.



Premium content for premium memberships, regardles of the type of business, are a time tested model that works. There is absolutely no issue with this. Nobody forces you to join PSN+ to play online or browse their virtual store, but if you do...you get nice perks.
Don't get me wrong I have no objection to how they handle PSN+. I'm just saying be advised that if you opt out of PSN+ you will lose a lot of cool stuff.
 

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Sony is saying the console won't require it, but they're leaving the final decision in the hands of the publishers.

Their veiled explanation makes it pretty evident that there will be similar restrictions on used game sales as Xbox One.

This is just a way for Sony to put their hands up and say 'it's not our fault!'

The only thing I care about is the focus on the console as a GAME SYSTEM. Fuck all that other 'complete entertainment center' bullshit.

I want to play games. If there games, I'll put up with some of this other stuff.
 

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Both consoles are going to have the same shit on them. They're going to do all the same horrid stuff. They're basically the same damn thing. If people don't like the way gaming is going, well... Guess gaming is going to go on without them. Nobody is going to white knight this shit.

what about Nintendo? :)
 

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What I don't understand is why xbox one is even trying to be a media console. Most tvs now come with apps such as Netflix and YouTube. That's the tv, for christ's sake! It's not too much to think that soon they'll start coming with built-in hdds (if they don't already, I don't keep up with that shit) and soon your tv will be able to handle all the recording/streaming of stuff. I couldn't care less if my gaming console does that.

However, one thing I would like is to be able to record my own games, and be able to save/publish them to YouTube/Vimeo/whatever. You can do that with certain games, like Third Strike, but I'd like an all-encompassing recording feature, like being able to just hit record and get everything from loading up the game, to navigating the menu screen, and everything else. That's a cool piece of technology I could get behind.
 

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What I don't understand is why xbox one is even trying to be a media console. Most tvs now come with apps such as Netflix and YouTube. That's the tv, for christ's sake! It's not too much to think that soon they'll start coming with built-in hdds (if they don't already, I don't keep up with that shit) and soon your tv will be able to handle all the recording/streaming of stuff. I couldn't care less if my gaming console does that.

However, one thing I would like is to be able to record my own games, and be able to save/publish them to YouTube/Vimeo/whatever. You can do that with certain games, like Third Strike, but I'd like an all-encompassing recording feature, like being able to just hit record and get everything from loading up the game, to navigating the menu screen, and everything else. That's a cool piece of technology I could get behind.


nobody wants the apps in the TV. TV menu's are sluggish and buggy as it it. TV companies are trying everything to get you to replace your perfectly working 50' TV, with a 50" TV of exact same quality(but now it has apps).
The lastest plasma's have finally met the PQ of the ancient Pioneer Kuro. A contrast so deep, the annoying bright LED's will never understand.
 

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You forgot to mention the Kinect: Biggest selling gadget of whatever the fuck whatever. Now look?!

PPL will bite. I was one FIRMLY in the camp of no DLC for me ever, around 8 years ago. No physical media, no sale simple. But I just paid for and downloaded 3x PSN titles on sale last night, because the price was right (DDNeon, 3SHD & MOrigins - all half price!) so I could justify it. Fact still remains though, I said I'd never do it.

We always do. Photo's online. Payments online. Online shopping etc. All stuff I initially disagreed with, I did it all in the end. And, whatever it is we're all trying to fight against now re: XBone & PS4 - they'll still do it and we'll eventually accept it. And, as newer generations come into gaming it will become even more acceptable as older generations (like us) walk away...

Kinect and Move are just M$ and Sony's version of Wiimote copycat.

When the poor quality of the Atari got out of control, the video game market simply crashed as gamers realized they didn't want anything to do with it anymore.
 

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What I don't understand is why xbox one is even trying to be a media console. Most tvs now come with apps such as Netflix and YouTube. That's the tv, for christ's sake! It's not too much to think that soon they'll start coming with built-in hdds (if they don't already, I don't keep up with that shit) and soon your tv will be able to handle all the recording/streaming of stuff. I couldn't care less if my gaming console does that.

As someone who works for a major electronics manufacturer, I have a little insight that may help with this.

Over the last few years, TV sales have shown some trends that are of concern to the manufacturers. Most importantly, that computers are becoming all purpose streaming devices. Netflix, Pandora, Hulu, Vudu, etc...people are hooking up their PCs to their displays and using them to watch the content.

This is causing some concern that people may not invest in the newer sets if you can get last year's model cheaper, while it's still on the shelf with a brand new warranty for factory sealed product and just hook your PC up to it. As streaming media becomes more entrenched in home markets, people start to find reasons to not waste more money on displays. You can even hook your the common laptop or tablet up to a display via HDMI and enjoy decent performance.

So the manufacturers, concerned that there won't be any turnover on new product, have to offer all kinds of apps, widgets and remote support options to appeal to the people that haven't learned the ins and outs of streaming yet and don't know the shortcuts. That's why they load them up with all those extra functions and 3D and so forth. It's just a way to make it all the more shiny to Joe Average.

However, one thing I would like is to be able to record my own games, and be able to save/publish them to YouTube/Vimeo/whatever. You can do that with certain games, like Third Strike, but I'd like an all-encompassing recording feature, like being able to just hit record and get everything from loading up the game, to navigating the menu screen, and everything else. That's a cool piece of technology I could get behind.

Not to keep sounding the horn of Sony here, but the Share button is going to allow for that. Not sure how I feel about a fucking button on the controller to enable it (I'd much rather turn it on in the system menu while game is paused), but there it is.

nobody wants the apps in the TV. TV menu's are sluggish and buggy as it it. TV companies are trying everything to get you to replace your perfectly working 50' TV, with a 50" TV of exact same quality(but now it has apps).
The lastest plasma's have finally met the PQ of the ancient Pioneer Kuro. A contrast so deep, the annoying bright LED's will never understand.

This is not entirely accurate, strange as that may seem. One of the responsibilities I have for the company I work for is maintaining and monitoring social media inquiries and responses, and a surprising amount of people actually do want their TVs to have access to services like Vudu, Pandora, etc., etc., etc. There are numerous requests to submit to product planning every day, and I either respond to them directly or delegate the responses and feedback submissions to R&D. The demand has been created by the manufacturers and it's been sold to the market hard enough that now people believe they want these things.
 
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My mom recently bought a new TV with apps and it's been nothing but a headache. It is slow and buggy. I constantly complains that there is no network. It constantly forgets her wireless network password. I finally added another wireless access point so the TV could be wired. It still manages to bitch about needing a network connection, but it's generally better.

People might want apps but the odds of them being bug free and performing well is low. The display manufacturer also isn't going to maintain them over time.

Of course I don't want my game consoles to be intertwined with TV viewing crap either. I'll select the best device for each function, thank you.
 
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Of course tvs just now implementing apps is going to be buggy. That wasn't the point. The point is that it ultimately will get better, and more seamless. Having a gaming console do the same thing is kind of redundant, and not really necessary. I mean, there will come a point where tvs will have built-in capabilities to stream files (movies or music) straight from your PC. A gaming console needs to be a gaming console, and focus first and foremost on that. Then add in all the other cool extras that enhance the gaming experience (such as your console recording you unlocking an achievement, that you can share with your friends (which would also double as a cool way to help somebody with a hard achievement)). I mean, giving me achievement points for sitting through a Friends marathon has nothing to do with games at all.

And that camera. Man, fuck that thing.

Thanks for the writeup, Taiso.
 

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I don't mind TVs with apps or general multimedia functions per se, yet they will never have the flexibility of PCs because the companies don't really want you to do things your way. Take the old Xbox for example, the builtin multimedia functions weren't all that hot to say the least and you even had to buy a dongle + remote control if you wanted to watch DVDs. Then it got hacked and all of a sudden the ol' black box became the multimedia centerpiece in many households. It can play CDs and DVDs, run emulators (with or without netcode) or other programs, games could be conveniently copied to HD and played without having to put the disc into the drive, etc.

A PC can give you that flexibility but a TV with apps or set-top box will never be able to fully deliver in this regards due to licensing issues and copyright laws. Multimedia add-ons of modern hardware often are half-assed (and most of the time proprietary) attempts at customer retention. Companies know that the potential of TVs is almost exhausted by now so they stuff all sorts of irrelevant mush in them to keep prices on a profitable level and have something the competitors don't have yet, as redundant as it may be.
 

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Video Game consoles are all about community these days. Some of you can argue all you want you don't want a particular console for whatever reasons, but in the end if you need to play modern games (I Do) and all your friends are on a specific platform, well guess what?, odds are you are going there as well. I owned the PS3 and 360 this current generation and played 90% on the 360 because my peoples adopted Xbox Live far more than PSN. I'm almost positive my peoples are going the Xbox One route in the future... and I'll be there with them.
 

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What if one wants to play all these great-looking modern games in 1P campaign mode but gives a flying fart on the community thing?

I already know the answer: You're old, get with the times, community this, community that, CoD-CoD-sports-sports-TV-sports-TV-TV-TV, the next watercooler, etc...
 

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The whole charging for a used game idea is seriously flawed. It doesn't only affect people buying used games but also people who rent them.

I'll just stick with buying a PS4 for now.
 

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Video Game consoles are all about community these days. Some of you can argue all you want you don't want a particular console for whatever reasons, but in the end if you need to play modern games (I Do) and all your friends are on a specific platform, well guess what?, odds are you are going there as well. I owned the PS3 and 360 this current generation and played 90% on the 360 because my peoples adopted Xbox Live far more than PSN. I'm almost positive my peoples are going the Xbox One route in the future... and I'll be there with them.

How old are you?
 

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Glad I don't have friends then.
 

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Of course tvs just now implementing apps is going to be buggy. That wasn't the point. The point is that it ultimately will get better, and more seamless. Having a gaming console do the same thing is kind of redundant, and not really necessary. I mean, there will come a point where tvs will have built-in capabilities to stream files (movies or music) straight from your PC. A gaming console needs to be a gaming console, and focus first and foremost on that. Then add in all the other cool extras that enhance the gaming experience (such as your console recording you unlocking an achievement, that you can share with your friends (which would also double as a cool way to help somebody with a hard achievement)). I mean, giving me achievement points for sitting through a Friends marathon has nothing to do with games at all.

And that camera. Man, fuck that thing.

Thanks for the writeup, Taiso.

TVs are already capable of streaming content from your PC through DLNA services.

What you do is set up a folder in your PC and then drop the files you want to watch into it.

Then you open up an application on your PC that can function as a DLNA portal and you set it up to recognize the desired folder as DLNA content.

After that, as long as the application is open on your PC, you can search for it in your TV interface and as long as the files are DLNA compliant, the TV can stream them.
 

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What if one wants to play all these great-looking modern games in 1P campaign mode but gives a flying fart on the community thing?

I already know the answer: You're old, get with the times, community this, community that, CoD-CoD-sports-sports-TV-sports-TV-TV-TV, the next watercooler, etc...

That's me . 95% 1 player games . Most people will rightfully say play on PC. You'll get better graphics and won't have to worry about this crap.
 

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What if one wants to play all these great-looking modern games in 1P campaign mode but gives a flying fart on the community thing?

I already know the answer: You're old, get with the times, community this, community that, CoD-CoD-sports-sports-TV-sports-TV-TV-TV, the next watercooler, etc...

Amen brother.
 

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That's me . 95% 1 player games . Most people will rightfully say play on PC. You'll get better graphics and won't have to worry about this crap.

And with pc gaming you deal with other crap. Os issues, drivers, updates and all the other stuff that go along with Windows. And that's if your hardware will even be sufficient to run the game at an acceptable framerate.

I like closed hardware for this reason. When you put a PS3 game in a PS3, you know it's going to work. Yeah, might be some updates, but otherwise no other concerns before jumping into your game.

Open hardware and desktop OS is a double edged sword.




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