Firearm enthusiast thread

[smokehouse]

I hear you there Smokehouse - I find shooting my AK to be a riot. I love it.

I desperately need to give my 10/22 some love - but I need to finish some other gun projects first.

I will say......a 10/22 can't compare to that M&P. I kept my 10/22 but now I may land up selling it after all. It's just not the same. possibly if I turn it into a long range rifle but as far as being a semi auto short ranger popper...the M&P has it beat hands down.

 

[smokehouse]

On that note...I think a good AK is next on my list...I miss that "chink!, chink!, chink!" rattling through my head...and the cheaper ammo...

 

[HellioN]

Surplus 5.45 is still cheap as hell. Really considered building an upper for it.
I'll most likely end up with either a .22 conversion or a dedicated upper.
Really been itching for another 9mm Ar, never should have sold the one I had.

 

[smokehouse]

Surplus 5.45 is still cheap as hell. Really considered building an upper for it.
I'll most likely end up with either a .22 conversion or a dedicated upper.
Really been itching for another 9mm Ar, never should have sold the one I had.

In my mind...for cheap trigger time there is no substitution for .22LR. I looked, and looked, and LOOKED for .22 AR conversions but found countless problems with most of them.

Bolt conversions = problems with many magazines, wrong twist in .223/5.56 barrel for a .22LR, seriously gummed up gas tubing and upper receiver = tons 'o cleaning.

Dedicated uppers = expensive, finicky without the right magazine.

I was dead set on going with the Tactical Solutions model as I've read time and time again that they are considered the gold standard but then there was an issue...you have to seriously adjust your lower to work with it thus making the .22LR to .223 back and forth nearly impossible. If you want to build a dedicated lower for it, I guess the Tac Sol + Black Dog conversion is amazing...then again that will run you a minimum of $800+ and that's with a CHEAP lower/lower components...you could easily drop $1200 for a complete rifle if you get a quality lower, trigger and butt stock. To me that's insane...

This is what led me to the S&W. The standard version is going for $420 here, the MOE version is $520. That $$ gets you a warranty and a complete gun that mimics an AR in every way, you can even put stock AR triggers in it. Compared to a Colt AR or any of the GS line, the S&W is beyond simple to disassemble. So far I feel I've 100% made the right choice...only time will tell though.

I paid less for that complete S&W that I would have for a Tac Sol upper alone (an upper that is sans rear sights BTW)...looking at what I spent (the rifle, front grip, red dot and even a possible trigger change)...all of that totaled is $715...not too shabby for a cheap AR training tool.





As for a 9mm upper...I would 100% buy one...if Illinois allowed SBRs, which they don't.

 

[HellioN]

Have you checked out cmmg? Dedicated .22 uppers starting at $350 with bolt.
They also have functioning forward assist, last round hold open & live round extraction. Currently looking at there soon to be released "20 upper.
http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/item/Government-Profile-20-Inch-.22-LR-Evolution-Upper-1662
Even there conversion kits are top notch & cheaper than everyone else.
Shooting at 25 yards with a conversion yields excellent results regardless of twist.
Pushing past that things do get iffy tho.

 

[Lagduf]

What kind of 9mm AR setup did you have?

 

[HellioN]

Olympic arms.
Mag well block and un-modded setn mags.
People talk shit about them but there pistol caliber upper run.

 

[smokehouse]

Have you checked out cmmg? Dedicated .22 uppers starting at $350 with bolt.
They also have functioning forward assist, last round hold open & live round extraction. Currently looking at there soon to be released "20 upper.
http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/item/Government-Profile-20-Inch-.22-LR-Evolution-Upper-1662
Even there conversion kits are top notch & cheaper than everyone else.
Shooting at 25 yards with a conversion yields excellent results regardless of twist.
Pushing past that things do get iffy tho.

By what I understand, they still require some serious adjustment to your lower and do not work well with match triggers (like the one in my AR).

You can get a M&P for $420...that's for a dedicated firearm that takes cheap magazines and has a warranty...if the upper was in the 200's I may have given it more of a look but that extra $$ for a dedicated .22 trainer seemed worth it to me.

Olympic arms.
Mag well block and un-modded setn mags.
People talk shit about them but there pistol caliber upper run.

My dad has a full length Oly AR and it works fine...chews up Wolf ammo like nobody's business too...people can hate but his is just fine.

 

[Lagduf]

I want one of those Olympic 9mm ARs that take Glock Mags. I'm kind of obsessed with finding a good Glock magazine based carbine. I know there are some cool options out there but I need one that I can make legal in CA and not be too gimped. I don't think I could stomach the Sub-2000 or Hi-Point carbine. I'd buy up the MSAR Glock Carbine if it ever actually comes out.

Supposedly a work around on "high capacity" magazines in CA is coming this year so what type of 30+ round 9mm magazines I can get (if any) due to this exemption/loophole in the law would dictate what I would build.

I'd still like to build an XM177E2 clone first

 

[Tacitus]

Considering picking up a Mosin-Nagant...


Any thoughts?

 

[Lagduf]

Do you have an FFL03 (Collector of Curios and Relics) license?

If so you can just buy one over the internet if state and local law permits it. AIM Surplus and J&G Sales online have some pretty good deals. Then again if you can just walk in to a gun store, inspect the weapon, and take it home 15 minutes later then I'd do that.

The aforementioned websites also stock the 440 round spam cans of 7.62x54R for somewhere in the $80-90 range. Usually you get a slight price reduction if you buy a crate (two spam cans) and they tend to throw in the can opener.

I'd get a Mosin so you can later justify buying a PSL (or Dragunov if you win the lottery).

 

[smokehouse]

Considering picking up a Mosin-Nagant...


Any thoughts?

I like mine...fun to shoot and rather punishing if you use the stock metal butt plate. My Mosin always turns heads at the range, its loud as hell. I have a M44 short barrel though, that might add to it. I put a scope and different stock on mine, helped it out quite a bit.

I'd get a Mosin so you can later justify buying a PSL (or Dragunov if you win the lottery).

I had a PSL and honestly...I'm not sure I'd recommend one. Its kind of a jack ass of all trades. It has a paper thin barrel so doing any heavy shooting is completely out...then it makes you ask yourself...why do I have a semi auto 7.62x54r if I can't rat-tat-tat? Oh...I have it for long range...but that's why I have a mosin...

I landed up selling mine...I just never fell in love with it.

 

[Lagduf]

Better get the Dragunov then.

For semi auto 7.62x54R my dream gun would be a semi auto PKM. If only I had $6K to spare.

What kind of accuracy were you getting with your PSL?

 

[HellioN]

The PSL seems to get better accuracy when you chop the barrel to 16" 18".
Read that in more than one place.
I would be more apt to get a saiga in .308 and convert it.

 

[Lagduf]

There are a couple Saiga .308s at my local gun store

 

[smokehouse]

Better get the Dragunov then.

For semi auto 7.62x54R my dream gun would be a semi auto PKM. If only I had $6K to spare.

What kind of accuracy were you getting with your PSL?

To be honest with you...I don't remember. I had it about this time back in 2006 so my memory is a bit foggy.

It did always get a ton of attention though, it was the only PSL I ever say at the range.

One MAJOR complaint I had with it was the short ass buttstock...man, it was tough as hell finding an aftermarket stock for that thing...

 

[Lagduf]

I love how that gun looks

If I was so inclined I'd build a Tabuk DMR clone. That's another fine looking AK variant.

 

[smokehouse]

Well....this was a frustrating morning. I got a single point sling and Magpul ASAP for my AR. I attempted to take the castle nut off and managed to only move it 3/16" AND break my spanner wrench in the process. It also gouged the castle nut and started to bite in to the buffer tube's threads.

Man I'm fucking pissed.

I contacted RRA about it and I'll see what they say. The spec on a CAR castle nut is in fucking inch pounds! There's zero reason to put it on this tight.

I'll see what they say but at this point, I'm going to have to get a new spanner wrench and more than likely a new buffer tube and castle nut. What a joke.



On a lighter note...I got my Action Target rimfire dueling tree Thurs.

http://www.actiontargetbeta.com/store/duelingtargets/at-rimfire-sport-dueling-tree.html

I assembled it and will be taking it out today...this thing, even for being rimfire, is built like a brick shithouse, I'm a VERY impressed. They state the weight at 35 lbs but I can tell you...they underestimate it, it is definitely heavier than that by a long shot.

 

[smokehouse]

Vid of my first time out with the target stand...25 rounds through my M&P.



This thing is a blast...I should have bought one last year.

 

[BigTinz]

Why does it give me a white square every time I try to embed a youtube video?

just put the string after the "=" not the whole url.


I noticed some videos talking about "dad".

Are you the dad or the son?

 

[smokehouse]

just put the string after the "=" not the whole url.


I noticed some videos talking about "dad".

Are you the dad or the son?

I'm the son...on my youtube page I'm the robust gentleman running the M&P through some ammo...my old man is the one with the GSG AK-47...

 

[Lagduf]

I love that little .22lr target tree. I need to get one of those.

Well I'm back in CA now and finished up building my AK-74 while I was on vacation in MO.

We used Duracoat to paint the receivers and Duraheat to paint the barrels. All told we built two AK-74s, one Krinkov pistol (my friend is waiting for the ATF to approve his Form 1 to manufacture an SBR), and two AKMs.

I'll assemble the weapon in about a week but I want to let the paint cure a bit more before I put the weapon through any serious use. I still need to order some California compliance parts before I can legally use the weapon anyway.

 

[HellioN]

Smokehouse, I don't know how rra does it but a properly installed castle nut is staked
In place. Could be the reason why it was so hard to remove.
The spinner tree is awesome, wish I had a place to set something like that up.
In other news, I traded my Beretta 92fs in for a factory rebuilt Glock 17.
No chance to shoot it yet. I'd post pictures but all Glocks look the same.
Came with a g-code holster & mag pouch and 2 17 round mags.
I'm surprised how much I like handling it so far.

 

[smokehouse]

Smokehouse, I don't know how rra does it but a properly installed castle nut is staked
In place. Could be the reason why it was so hard to remove.

Got this replay from RRA today:

The castle nut does have 242 blue Loc-tit and will need heat. The part
numbers are AR-0113A (stock tube) and AR-0172C (lock nut).



THANK YOU,
B.J. BLICK

So happy to hear they choose to use "LOC-TIT" instead of doing the the right way. Also, it was mighty white of them to tell me the replacement part #'s knowing damn well I'm going to roach the ones I have getting that damn nut off of the fucking thing.

Well, screw them. I ordered a new receiver extension but it 100% isn't from them:

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Stoc...il-Spec-p/stock hardware kit.htm?1=1&CartID=2

I figured I'd fix their cheap-o approach and get a real mil-spec buffer tube. While I was at it I decided to get the kit with a h-buffer.

Now...figuring the RRA fake SOPMOD stock will no longer fit, I had to get a replacement:

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Vltor AIB-MC -GREEN

This will work...

 

[Lagduf]

Here is my AK-74.

It was built last week by me and a couple of friends in Blue Springs, MO (Hi Hellion!)

What was really cool though was that a few months ago when my friends and I planned this build my friend realized he literally lived a few blocks away from the AK-Builder's Shop. Curtis is a pretty cool dude who gives discounts when you pay in cash. Got to meet him and go inside his shop. Pretty cool operation.

Anyway, the gun is built on a Nodak Spud NDS-2 receiver, with all the rivets and such from AK Builder. Furniture is Plum from KVAR, Barrel is a new East German 5.45 from AK builder, and the rest of the kit is made of non-matching Bulgarian parts I got from APEX.

All of my other friends built their guns off of AK Builder flats. I kind of went the cheater way (as I was pressed for time) with the NDS receiver, but I still helped on all their guns too so I still learned a lot.