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Neo Alec

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People should be banned from developing homebrew/indie games for the Neo Geo - nobody has even come close to anything SNK put out... even their shitty stuff.
"People should be banned" sounds perfectly rational. I know you're being facetious.
 

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Bro i hear you. There is just no hope of anything ever topping quality stuff like Mutation Nation or Robo Army.
Did you get a dick so far up your ass that it dislocated your brain or what?
lol, stfu you fucking moron.
 

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Some of these are pre-order or nothing. You snooze you lose. But I don't really have the fomo anymore.
There's truth in this, but somewhere along the line, developers have gotten way too comfortable in asking for interest free loans on projects that are barely more than an idea.

They need to get back to getting funded by banks or finding other ways to fund their projects again instead of hopes and prayers. It's ridiculous that the financial risk is completely on customers instead of on the developer or funding platform.
 

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The ironic thing is that Golden Axe, released in 1989, made it to the neo geo first.




People should be banned from developing homebrew/indie games for the Neo Geo - nobody has even come close to anything SNK put out... even their shitty stuff.
Ironically, to date, the best homebrews for the Neo have been the free conversions & ports. The non-cash grab stuff like Knight's Chance, Hypernoid, and Block Panic DX also tends to be better than the $300+ releases.
 
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Ironically, to date, the best homebrews for the Neo have been the free conversions, ports. The non-cash grab stuff like Knight's Chance, Hypernoid, and Block Panic DX also tends to be better than the $300+ releases.
Um, no. And Knight's Chance was originally not inexpensive.
 

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Um, no. And Knight's Chance was originally not inexpensive.
Um, yes. And Knight's Chance is dirt cheap now and legally available as a ROM. Hypernoid is the best breakout style game on the Neo. Block Panic DX breaks new ground as a nice-looking, 4-player puzzle game on all neo hardware, including the CD. And at least, as far as I know, they are all still exclusive to the Neo.

Project Neon, Gladmort, Final Vendetta, XenoCrisis, Vengeance Hunters, etc, are nowhere near worth a $300+ price.
 
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Ironically, to date, the best homebrews for the Neo have been the free conversions & ports. The non-cash grab stuff like Knight's Chance, Hypernoid, and Block Panic DX also tends to be better than the $300+ releases.
You're mostly right, but Knight's Chance isn't the defense you think it is. It's barely a game and the dev was making bank long before he released a rom. Every once in a while he'd release a few more carts to get some cash from thirsty noobs.

IMO Xenocrisis is the high mark of Neo homebrew. It's a Genesis game with no enhancements so maybe it shouldn't even be here, but it's at least a really good game.
 

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You're mostly right, but Knight's Chance isn't the defense you think it is. It's barely a game and the dev was making bank long before he released a rom. Every once in a while he'd release a few more carts to get some cash from thirsty noobs.
It's just as much a game as all of the official mahjong titles, gururin, puzzle de pon! etc. You're correct that the dev made their money for a while before releasing the ROM, but at least they did so at a very reasonable price. The presentation for the game is also very well done. As for the thirsty noobs, that's on them.

IMO Xenocrisis is the high mark of Neo homebrew. It's a Genesis game with no enhancements so maybe it shouldn't even be here, but it's at least a really good game.
I like Xenocrisis, but it's basically identical to the Genesis game but with the second worse control scheme out of all the ports (GBA is #1). Makes me wonder what they were thinking when they decided to port it. BB advertised the game to be like Shock Troopers which is about as misleading as advertising can get. I'll give credit that they did release a ROM and CD version of the game for a reasonable price.

I've had family and friend gatherings with plenty of casuals and they really enjoyed Knight's Chance and Hypernoid. XenoCrisis, not so much. The control scheme and difficulty was a huge turn off for most people.
 
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I will eat my own shoe if Battle Axe, a video game widely available on many platforms released in 2021, will come out on the Neo. It just makes zero sense. What anticipation could there be?

Battle Axe kind of sucks anyway, I had a current gen copy and sold it. Looks better than it plays.
 

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I just saw that they made xeno crisis for even the GBA :oops:

Spoiler:

I kinda want that version
 

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Um, yes. And Knight's Chance is dirt cheap now and legally available as a ROM. Hypernoid is the best breakout style game on the Neo. Block Panic DX breaks new ground as a nice-looking, 4-player puzzle game on all neo hardware, including the CD. And at least, as far as I know, they are all still exclusive to the Neo.

Project Neon, Gladmort, Final Vendetta, XenoCrisis, Vengeance Hunters, etc, are nowhere near worth a $300+ price.
So you're saying they might be better, but the high price means it's moot. Fine. All I'm saying is there's no way those cheaper games are better than the likes of the NGDev games, Project Neon and Vengeance Hunters. The arcade fan ports don't really count because they're nice to have, but they've always been playable elsewhere.
 

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He's not wrong. Even if the games are terrible, I will tip my hat to anyone who creates something...but presentation-wise, indie games will never hang tough with real Neo-Geo games. They will never have that feeling of authenticity.
But you can create a game that has that elusive authentic feel, it’s just that barely anyone attempted to nail the presentation and art style of the real NG games. Knights Chance might be a collection of shallow minigames but presentation is on point and reminds me a lot of Pinball Fantasia.

Other games don’t try at all or try to one-up the strongest games in the library and end up feeling overdone. I dunno.
 

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But you can create a game that has that elusive authentic feel, it’s just that barely anyone attempted to nail the presentation and art style of the real NG games. Knights Chance might be a collection of shallow minigames but presentation is on point and reminds me a lot of Pinball Fantasia.
100% agreed. It all comes down to presentation, and the only homebrew that has it is Knight's Chance.
 
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So you're saying they might be better, but the high price means it's moot. Fine.
No, I'm saying that I (and my guests) have had more fun with the games that I've mentioned. The fact that they are reasonably priced or free is a win and they are as good or better than some official titles in their genre in terms of graphics and gameplay. For example:

Knights Chance > Mahjong games
Hypernoid > Pop'n Bounce
Block Panic DX > Gururin, Puzzle De Pon, Joy Joy Kid, etc.

The arcade fan ports don't really count because they're nice to have, but they've always been playable elsewhere.

Most Neo titles have been playable elsewhere for ages as well on $20 hardware. The ports fill out the Neo library well in genres that should have had more games.

Shinobi Arcade > Ganryu. It plays better than Magician Lord and Eightman.
Golden Axe Arcade is a great addition to the beat em up genre which isn't exactly packed with winners on the Neo.
P.O.W. should have received a port by SNK themselves. Especially in the early days where they needed content.

All I'm saying is there's no way those cheaper games are better than the likes of the NGDev games, Project Neon and Vengeance Hunters.
Not only are many of NG:Dev games harder to find than rocking horse shit, but most of them look like poor clones of prior Neo titles. Project Neon looks like a mid PCE game. I played Vengeance Hunters a few times and I agree with Joe from Game Sack that it just isn't that fun to play. I rank it lower than other beat em up's on the same hardware.
 
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No, I'm saying that I (and my guests) have had more fun with the games that I've mentioned.
Well, I'm saying you're smoking some serious shit. Have you played Vengeance Hunters? It's fantastic. It's available on modern platforms too.

The fact that they are reasonably priced or free is a win and they are as good or better than some official titles in their genre in terms of graphics and gameplay. For example:

Knights Chance > Mahjong games
Hypernoid > Pop'n Bounce
Block Panic DX > Gururin, Puzzle De Pon, Joy Joy Kid, etc.
Those three are all good, but as far as how they compare to the official games, that's your opinion, man.
 
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Well, I'm saying you're smoking some serious shit. Have you played Vengeance Hunters? It's fantastic. It's available on modern platforms too.
Sounds more like sunk cost fallacy on your end. The game that you're shilling for is so groundbreaking that it failed to meet a low kickstarter goal for physical copies on all of the modern platforms and the Neo.
Those three are all good.
Obviously.

how they compare to the official games, that's your opinion, man.
I mean, you're free to defend Gururin if you wanted to, but anyone with working ears and eyes would disagree with you.
 

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Sounds more like sunk cost fallacy on your end. The game that you're shilling for is so groundbreaking that it failed to meet a low kickstarter goal for physical copies on all of the modern platforms and the Neo.
That has nothing to do with the quality of the game. No surprise the demand for physical copies of an indie game that's available digital is low.
 

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That has nothing to do with the quality of the game. No surprise the demand for physical copies of an indie game that's available digital is low.
Tell that to Cursed Castilla, Scott Pilgrim, Cuphead, Shovel Knight, The Messenger, ect. Want a more recent example? I'm pretty sure Earthion is going to sell just fine when it's released next year. Cursed Castilla was and is available for free years before a physical was announced.

If Vengeance Hunters was that great, then gamers and collectors would have funded physical copies for all platforms in record time like with many other digital indie games. A modern $400 beat-em-up that doesn't feature weapon pick up animations, different weapon types, unique attacks with weapons, full screen magic, grabs and holds for all characters, blocking, special team attacks, etc.
 
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Obviously not every game is an indie darling like Earthion. The crowded indie game market is well documented in 2025.
 

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Project Neon, Gladmort, Final Vendetta, XenoCrisis, Vengeance Hunters, etc, are nowhere near worth a $300+ price.
So I take it you've played many of these, since you're telling us the free and cheap games are as good or better.

For the record, I have never received so much as a review copy of any game I have covered on my Youtube channel. Every game has always been purchased at my own expense. No one associated with any game has offered me any incentive beyond answering my questions.
 

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So I take it you've played many of these, since you're telling us the free and cheap games are as good or better.

For the record, I have never received so much as a review copy of any game I have covered on my Youtube channel. Every game has always been purchased at my own expense. No one associated with any game has offered me any incentive beyond answering my questions.
You know, another way to look at this sadly is that every game dev knows were all retarded and that games made for neo are literally only cash grabs to prey on us.
 
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