Dhalsim=BROKEN

[Buro Destruct]

I'm sure Kid Aphex was expecting this much sooner.

Me and him played SVC rather extensively last evening. All day he'd been telling me to "Get ready for Dhalsim!"

What he proceeded to show me is perhaps THE MOST broken character I've EVER seen in any fighting game, EVER.

Now, I'm no slouch at this game, I can do pretty well on level 5, so its not as though I don't know what I'm doing (especially with Terry) but the HORSESHIT Ray was pulling was ab-fucking-surd.

-Yoga Fire has ZERO recovery time, nobody else in the fucking game can dish out projectiles fast enough to deal with it.

-Dhalsim's slide move has priority over every fucking move in the game, save specials (my only saving grace was to smack him with a Blaster Wolf in mid-slide) AND BLOCKS. 8 times out of 10, blocking low I STILL got hit with this slide.

-Dhalsim has ZERO recovery time between most attacks except for his low attacks. However, since the slidet trips you, by the time you get up, he's ready to fucking assault you AGAIN.

-Yoga Flame DM does tick damage like a whore. Even if you block, you've still got to wait for it to hit 9-10 fucking times before being allowed to move. The total damage from blocking this attack is roughly the same as being hit with a regular attack.

I still love this game to death, and even Ray understands that Dhalsim is broken to the MAX, but we were still having fun seeing just HOW fucking invincible this pile of noodles is.

EDIT: Oddly enough, besides the three MIRACLE times I beat him, the only other match that came close was when I played as Mars People on a whim. Their move sets are very similar, but a jumping in C with Mars People just about snakes around every possible attack.

 

[SonGohan]

Dhalsim isn't really broken. Characters like Terry can eat him alive without any problems. He's a decent character to use, but you shouldn't find yourself getting beat down by his slides or projectiles if you're able to put any sort of pressure on him.

*EDIT - Why don't you GCFS his stuff? You should not be taking 10 points of tick damage if you have enough in your gauge to GCFS and move in for a damaging combo. Try having a projectile war with Guile as well, Dhalsim will lose

 

[Kid Aphex]

Dhalsim isn't really broken. Characters like Terry can eat him alive without any problems. He's a decent character to use, but you shouldn't find yourself getting beat down by his slides or projectiles if you're able to put any sort of pressure on him.

*EDIT - Why don't you GCFS his stuff? You should not be taking 10 points of tick damage if you have enough in your gauge to GCFS and move in for a damaging combo. Try having a projectile war with Guile as well, Dhalsim will lose

Yeah, but after that projectile war is over...Guile is toast.

It's no secret he's a waste of a character...but yeah, his Sonic Booms come out like candy. [I still think Dhalsim could dish out Agni's flames faster...]

Anyways, I'm not the best player at this game. And I don't think it's a lie to say Sean's not the best either. But neither of us are COMPLETE fighting game slouches. After enough battles with Dhalsim [against a human player] I really think he's broken...

...I mean, against the computer I can easily breeze through everyone [including shin akuma....but not shin karate] with Dhalsim without even breaking a sweat! The AI can't HANDLE Dhalsim's fucking abilities...

I'm sure if I played a human, I'd get my ass handed to me a few times though. Maybe all it takes is to go up against a REALLY skilled player to kick my ass and show me how shitty I am.

I know one time at my old job, I was pretty confident in my ability to rule-the-school with CvsSNK2...I was taking care of everyone on level 8. Then came in Franco Bash [the forum member...not the actual character] and he whooped my ass---clearly showing I'm sub-pro at fighters.

 

[Average Joe]

Gohan is right, Dhalism isn't really broken, it just sounds like you don't know how to go about countering his attacks.

Dhalism is obviously made for long distance fighting, so when you get up close, he has very little in the way of attacking options; you only really need to worry about his DM's, Exceed and his Sliding Kick (also his throw, but I don't think I need to add that...) And what happens when he's used up his Exceed and he's out of Power Stocks? Well...that leaves him very open if you get in close.

The majority of the Dhalsim users I've faced, rely on a strict pattern of attacks, and Ray sounds no different; so figuring out what to do and when to do it shouldn't be too hard. And if you're using Terry? All you have to do is work on getting close and hitting him with his Standing C then slapping him with a Buster Wolf or starting that same combo off with a Jumping C (his staple easy-cheese combo...)

Also, remember that you can hit Dhalsim's limbs when they stretch out. So if you're keeping your distance and he keeps swinging those rubber arms & legs at you, just knock them away with any of Terry's specials.

 

[Average Joe]

I'm sure if I played a human, I'd get my ass handed to me a few times though. Maybe all it takes is to go up against a REALLY skilled player to kick my ass and show me how shitty I am.

You should really hop on Kaillera sometimes, it's pretty interesting to see all the types of fighters at various skill levels you'll play.

I've had matches with people where I owned them like nothing, matches where we were pretty even in skill, and matches where I got my ass handed to me on a silver platter. And it's because of this constant variety of gameplay, that I've come to realize where my limits lie and what I need to do to improve.

Playing fighters in a competitive fashion is a real fuckin' blast, and because of the time I've spent doing so, my skills have improved greatly in the past month. Seriously, you should consider a venture into the Kaillera servers, I bet you'll learn a thing or two and have fun doing so in the process.

 

[tsukaesugi]

Err, kinda of topic, but I also couldn't help but notice that Dhalsim does seem to have the fastest projectiles with the least amount of recovery time... I haven't really played Guile much yet though... Is Guile faster?

It seems to me, keep-away wise, Dhalsim does have an advantage.

 

[SonGohan]

Yeah, but after that projectile war is over...Guile is toast.

It's no secret he's a waste of a character...but yeah, his Sonic Booms come out like candy. [I still think Dhalsim could dish out Agni's flames faster...]

Guile is pretty much shit in this game, I think that's all agreed upon. The only thing he has going for him are his incredibly fast recovery time on his sonic booms. He does have a bit of a startup time on them, but if you're in a projectile war Guile is able to creep closer whenever you press F+P. After he's in close enough, he can throw a sonic boom which will connect with your Yoga Flame and he can follow it up with a back fist to smash you while you're in your startup animations. Little stuff like this is why Guile wins projectile wars.

Anyways, I'm not the best player at this game. And I don't think it's a lie to say Sean's not the best either. But neither of us are COMPLETE fighting game slouches. After enough battles with Dhalsim [against a human player] I really think he's broken...

Well it's good to watch versus matches and play high skilled players. I don't think anybody is saying either of you are poor or subpar players, but it is apparent that you two haven't become used to this engine.

I mean, it wasn't until 4 or so years ago that I really started using stuff like rolls, safe falls, CD counters, etc. I just kinda hoped in there and played with what I was able to forge from the days of me playing SF2 and FFS. I guess what I'm trying to say is take every little tactical thing in the game, and apply it to your playing style. You'll soon find out that you play a lot differently than what you used to. Learn to use your GCFS, your anywhere cancels, and learn to apply them to your growing style of play.

...I mean, against the computer I can easily breeze through everyone [including shin akuma....but not shin karate] with Dhalsim without even breaking a sweat! The AI can't HANDLE Dhalsim's fucking abilities...

The AI in SvC pretty much sucks. I mean, with Kim, you can practically just 'hisho-kyaku' your way to victory with throwing in the various other SDMs, Exceeds, etc. This won't work on your average high skilled player though, so it's best to break out of that habit and mix up your game on the CPU trying various strats and such, instead of going for the simple win/win/win.

I'm sure if I played a human, I'd get my ass handed to me a few times though. Maybe all it takes is to go up against a REALLY skilled player to kick my ass and show me how shitty I am.

Man, there's always better players out there. It's not something to get discouraged about. Although I have been beaten so bad that it made me just want to quit at times, but instead those kind of matches is what keeps me going. I mean, why play people if you're going to win all the time? Not that much fun, at least to me.

I know one time at my old job, I was pretty confident in my ability to rule-the-school with CvsSNK2...I was taking care of everyone on level 8. Then came in Franco Bash [the forum member...not the actual character] and he whooped my ass---clearly showing I'm sub-pro at fighters.

I was in the same boat as you. I thought I was O.K. at CvS2, well at least enough to be able to hold my own on XBL. I won a couple dozen matches and my head kinda got big, and then came a huge rush of matches that just totally ruined my ego. I would think to myself "man, I don't fucking suck at this game, why the hell are these people winning?!" So I recorded every one of my losses and would watch them over and over, seeing if I could penetrate that kind of defense/offense if I was to ever be in that situation again. That, along with watching match/combo vids helped me become what I think is one of the best CvS2 players you'll ever meet.

I don't know, it may seem like I'm just going off on a rant. I guess my point is don't chalk up a character to being broken unless you've tried every available option. Think and rethink your gameplan and sit down and try to figure out why you aren't able to do anything against this type of player.

I do know that Terry shouldn't be having his ass handed to him by Dhalsim because Dhalsim folds under pressure. While his normals and specials are meant to play keep-away, a character like Terry is just too fast and can cancel way too many of his normals to get himself in close to Dhalsim easily. Dhalsim will be taking guard damage all day long. He does have an exceed with high priority, but you have to be certain that will hit, because you only get one for one match. It's hard to build power stocks with him too, especially if you're being pressured and can't get any moves out.

Like Joe said eariler, it may be wise to give Kaillera a try. However, be warned that you will not get a good matchup most of the time, and by good I mean a lagless match, which can happen, but 95% of the time doesn't. I don't count "barely any lag" as being a good connection because it doesn't take a lot to just screw your entire game up. Some people are just used to the lag and can delay themselves just enough to play perfectly. So while it is fun, and it can help your game, don't get discouraged if you lose or lose too many times, because more often than not it's just a bad connection and not being able to adapt to it. Take it for fun, not to be seriously competitive, although it can help your game when it comes time to play seriously face to face with people.

Whew. Sorry for the quote/responding gayness, I just wanted to respond to everything plus add a little bit more.

 

[Average Joe]

Like Joe said eariler, it may be wise to give Kaillera a try. However, be warned that you will not get a good matchup most of the time, and by good I mean a lagless match, which can happen, but 95% of the time doesn't.

That's sadly true...

But it's tolerable if you don't have access to an arcade or a gang of friends to play your games with.

Although I find myself playing lagless games in 'The Lord of the Pit' server, in which I have a ping of 20-30ms and I'm always able to find someone to play against with a similiar ping.

 

[kernow]

lol

Guile is pretty much shit in this game, I think that's all agreed upon. The only thing he has going for him are his incredibly fast recovery time on his sonic booms. He does have a bit of a startup time on them, but if you're in a projectile war Guile is able to creep closer whenever you press F+P. After he's in close enough, he can throw a sonic boom which will connect with your Yoga Flame and he can follow it up with a back fist to smash you while you're in your startup animations. Little stuff like this is why Guile wins projectile wars.



Well it's good to watch versus matches and play high skilled players. I don't think anybody is saying either of you are poor or subpar players, but it is apparent that you two haven't become used to this engine.

I mean, it wasn't until 4 or so years ago that I really started using stuff like rolls, safe falls, CD counters, etc. I just kinda hoped in there and played with what I was able to forge from the days of me playing SF2 and FFS. I guess what I'm trying to say is take every little tactical thing in the game, and apply it to your playing style. You'll soon find out that you play a lot differently than what you used to. Learn to use your GCFS, your anywhere cancels, and learn to apply them to your growing style of play.



The AI in SvC pretty much sucks. I mean, with Kim, you can practically just 'hisho-kyaku' your way to victory with throwing in the various other SDMs, Exceeds, etc. This won't work on your average high skilled player though, so it's best to break out of that habit and mix up your game on the CPU trying various strats and such, instead of going for the simple win/win/win.



Man, there's always better players out there. It's not something to get discouraged about. Although I have been beaten so bad that it made me just want to quit at times, but instead those kind of matches is what keeps me going. I mean, why play people if you're going to win all the time? Not that much fun, at least to me.



I was in the same boat as you. I thought I was O.K. at CvS2, well at least enough to be able to hold my own on XBL. I won a couple dozen matches and my head kinda got big, and then came a huge rush of matches that just totally ruined my ego. I would think to myself "man, I don't fucking suck at this game, why the hell are these people winning?!" So I recorded every one of my losses and would watch them over and over, seeing if I could penetrate that kind of defense/offense if I was to ever be in that situation again. That, along with watching match/combo vids helped me become what I think is one of the best CvS2 players you'll ever meet.

I don't know, it may seem like I'm just going off on a rant. I guess my point is don't chalk up a character to being broken unless you've tried every available option. Think and rethink your gameplan and sit down and try to figure out why you aren't able to do anything against this type of player.

I do know that Terry shouldn't be having his ass handed to him by Dhalsim because Dhalsim folds under pressure. While his normals and specials are meant to play keep-away, a character like Terry is just too fast and can cancel way too many of his normals to get himself in close to Dhalsim easily. Dhalsim will be taking guard damage all day long. He does have an exceed with high priority, but you have to be certain that will hit, because you only get one for one match. It's hard to build power stocks with him too, especially if you're being pressured and can't get any moves out.

Like Joe said eariler, it may be wise to give Kaillera a try. However, be warned that you will not get a good matchup most of the time, and by good I mean a lagless match, which can happen, but 95% of the time doesn't. I don't count "barely any lag" as being a good connection because it doesn't take a lot to just screw your entire game up. Some people are just used to the lag and can delay themselves just enough to play perfectly. So while it is fun, and it can help your game, don't get discouraged if you lose or lose too many times, because more often than not it's just a bad connection and not being able to adapt to it. Take it for fun, not to be seriously competitive, although it can help your game when it comes time to play seriously face to face with people.

Whew. Sorry for the quote/responding gayness, I just wanted to respond to everything plus add a little bit more.

 

[Diavle18]

Just use Ryo and Dhalism is a walk in the park. Ryo's QCF+K, DP+P and F, HCF+C(Dhalism will open his mouth for a fireball and BOOM) are all excellent moves to use against him, among others.


P.S. If anyone wants to go a few games on Kaillera give me a shout.

 

[Rodi]

Teh posters above are right... Dhalsim's not broken... he just has some priority over some of other character's moves...

If any, I'd say he's actually underpowered... I dunno I've heard Dhalsim players saying he's kinda nerfed in SvC...

So you just gotta know how to counter him and stuff

 

[Buro Destruct]

There's something I was trying to figure out while playing Ray, when you block something, lets say for instance the Yoga Flame DM, do you continue to block even if you cease to press back? It seems a little tricksy to push toward toward suddenly when blocking, as it'll likely open up the character to the full damage.

That and I like using my CD pad.....BC are so far away

 

[SonGohan]

It seems a little tricksy to push toward toward suddenly when blocking, as it'll likely open up the character to the full damage.

That's the whole point of GCFS

 

[Kirk Foiden]

It takes a lot of practice to get the real GCFS out. You have to be really fast and accurrate on your dash to do it right. BC is easier, but it takes a lot of bar, and if you don't have bar, you can't do it. Fortunately, doing the dash version takes a real small amount of bar, and you can almost always do it, in a fight. Rarely do you ever have too little bar to GCFS the dash method. Of course, that's why they made it tough enough that only truly skilled players can get the timing down for it.

Sadly enough, I'm not quite that skilled at it yet. (I can only visit White Marsh(WM) mall but so many times in a given period). But I'm working on it. Since I'm a bigtime Tessa player/fan, I NEED to master GCFS to dominate with her technical style. Otherwise, I'm toast against the greatest WM has to offer. My main advantage is that I'm like the only person who insists on playing Tessa (Tabasa). Some folks are like, "What? Amazing! I never see people pick her!"

 

[Rodi]

Since I'm a bigtime Tessa player/fan, I NEED to master GCFS to dominate with her technical style. Otherwise, I'm toast against the greatest WM has to offer. My main advantage is that I'm like the only person who insists on playing Tessa (Tabasa). Some folks are like, "What? Amazing! I never see people pick her!"

^_^

 

[SPINMASTER X]

Dhalsim was always a bastard in every game he is in. Despite what people say he still can be deadly up close. His floating spinng kicks mixed with some jabs comboed into a fireball can be a bastard if he catches you in the corner cuz he can pressure the shit outta you with it. Not to brag but back in the day in my kaillera days, i was told many times my A-Adon was one of the best most people had seen however i fought a dhalsim player and lost with a score of about 30-2. I fuckin got gutted. He's far from broken.

I've got movies of Jason Cole(the best Dhalsim player the USA has ever seen) taking on V-Akuma's, V-Sodom's, V-Sakuras and just about every other cheesy massive combo character and he stood up to them until the very end. You should really see him vs BAS's V-Akuma, despite Cole losing he gave BAS what for.


!!YOGA!!

 

[LWK]

Dhalsim is the son of hitler in this game.

I noticed how he has retarded priority once he is in the air he becomes a pain in the ass to work around. Hes just super evil in this game. Guile can take him on with projectile speed. Yet, its those damn air dms/drills that can really hurt.

I gotta say though, the more I play this game the more I understand. It seems no matter who I use, if I use them just enough I could brand them just as cheesey as the next character.
Cept Rog, who looks less vicious in this. I do disagree that he is useless though, just easier to get around. Just watch out for Dhalsim..

I admit, I had some really fun matches with Wes when the fucking US servers didnt cap all the ping limits.

 

[SonGohan]

lol

meh

 

[MrWhitefolks]

obviously nobody here that plays against dhalsim uses geese or zero...if they did, dhalsim wouldnt get much damage off at all and would get snuffed with bread and butter combos like this :

www.pimp-productions.com/videos/geese.avi

when you want to talk about broken, it's geese(easy inf, high priority),zero(corner trap and infs that start on ground or in air), or chun li(a special that is unblockable after a gcd). NOT dhalsim.

he's just really good to use against average skilled players if you can keep the range game and/or you know when to stick out the slide to interupt their attacks. he's nowhere near his level of bullshit that was SFZ3 in this game.

 

[breal]

dhalsim is a pretty good character but i don't think that he is broken. besides i own dhalsim with earthquake and ryo

 

[Kid Aphex]

obviously nobody here that plays against dhalsim uses geese or zero...if they did, dhalsim wouldnt get much damage off at all and would get snuffed with bread and butter combos like this :

www.pimp-productions.com/videos/geese.avi

I don't think that has anything to do with Dhalsim...rather with the cheesiness that is Geese. Dhalsim still whoops Geeses ass until he gets off some BULLSHIT combo like that.

 

[SonGohan]

That's the thing, Geese has a million and two bullshit combos that just make him broken as hell. Dhalsim never wins against Geese.

 

[MrWhitefolks]

I don't think that has anything to do with Dhalsim...rather with the cheesiness that is Geese. Dhalsim still whoops Geeses ass until he gets off some BULLSHIT combo like that.

^
a person that plays with one or two friends constantly and that's it...OR...someone who bases their entire idea of how a fighter works by playing the 1p mode.

that's the only reasoning i can come up with for why your post is that retarded. if you cant see why geese/zero > dhalsim for free, then that just proves that you should never, ever, EVER bring your opinion into a topic like this ever again.