Delorean Is Back

[SignOfGoob]

The energy savings to me of an Ford F150 lighting would be about $11,000 at 100,000 miles.

Which wouldn't quite cover the added cost of MSRP..

The idea that anyone driving a pickup cares about energy costs is…silly, but let’s not talk about that. How did you arrive at that figure?

 

[SignOfGoob]

The point was that there are advantages and disadvantages.

You can't just look at the cost of a new battery and ignore the costs that EV's don't have.

A 100,000 mile EV doesn't need an exhaust job. I doesn't need spark plugs or timing chains. It doesn't need oil changes. It doesn't need nearly as many brake jobs.

Usually you are right, it will still see wheel bearing failures, suspension wear, etc and it will have fluid changes, but more importantly it will occasionally, but absolutely, require a battery change that costs as much as an entire motherfucking engine.

Having to replace my DPF in my TDI is scary enough ($1200 every decade or so) but anticipating something several times that…doesn’t turn me on as a customer.

 

[NeoSneth]

Especially since you can pour a gallon of gas in seconds and it’s small. Then the car can drive to the station and fill up in three minutes.

The idea of charging cars on the side of the road or even being able to easily bring a battery big enough to charge it or a generator…this is all ridiculous. People will lose the taste of doing that after experiencing it just once. Tow truck drivers don’t have 400V three phase generators on their trucks. Is that coming in the future too? Well then so is the bill for him sitting there charging your car when he could just tow you and be on to the next job.

You know charging a battery with another battery will lose you %20, right? Imagine if every time we filled our tanks we spilled %20 of it on the ground.

Please look at a cutaway drawing of an electric car and see how HUGE the battery is. Check out the specs on it, how many hundreds of times bigger it is than any rechargeable battery we’ve ever owned. It’s not something you can top off in a hurry any more than you can charge your phone to %6 and have it get you through the day.

If the technology to make this stupidity practical is in the future then I suggest you wait until that time.

And solar panels…don’t make me laugh. Are you towing it with a 15foot trailer? No? Then it won’t ever make the juice you need. Nothing small enough to put on the roof of the car can be more than a drop in a bucket.

this is one of the laziest anti EV discussions.

tell me how many times you personally have run out of gasoline in the middle of nowhere? Not your aunt's cousin's friend. You. How many times have you actually run out of gasoline in the middle of a trip? and if you did, who cares about efficiency at that point!?! and why even bring up efficiency when you you are comparing electricity to a finite liquid resource?

 

[norton9478]

The idea that anyone driving a pickup cares about energy costs is…silly, but let’s not talk about that. How did you arrive at that figure?

99% of all car purchases are about the cool factor.

Otherwise, we would all be buying Geo Metros.

 

[Lagduf]

Have you ever tried to pull a Geo Metro on to a rural two lane highway with no off-ramp to get up to the speed of traffic?

Feels like you’re gonna die every fucking time.

 

[lithy]

Well, people are super into vehicles as a basically a car-subscription model lately.

So, I guess they're just planning that the batteries llast beyond the lease terms. After that, who gives a fuck?

 

[lithy]

99% of all car purchases are about the cool factor.

Otherwise, we would all be buying Geo Metros.

Arrest them and give them all Metros.

 

[SignOfGoob]

99% of all car purchases are about the cool factor.

Otherwise, we would all be buying Geo Metros.

As long as nobody actually thinks an electric car is going to save the planet or even save them money, my job is done. As long as we know it’s just douchebags flexing, I’m not bothered.

 

[Fygee]

Doug Demuro did a really fun video about the Geo Metro and what a classic shitbox it is/was.

 

[SignOfGoob]

this is one of the laziest anti EV discussions.

tell me how many times you personally have run out of gasoline in the middle of nowhere? Not your aunt's cousin's friend. You. How many times have you actually run out of gasoline in the middle of a trip? and if you did, who cares about efficiency at that point!?! and why even bring up efficiency when you you are comparing electricity to a finite liquid resource?

Well, I didn’t start that discussion…but…

When e cars have been around long enough for us to be bored of how common they are and sick of all their unique issues, this will be one of them. When it’s not middle class assholes bragging about something they haven’t even owned long enough to have an opinion on, fanboys exciting about “changing the world” when it’s just “a car”, when Little Caesers employees are driving 4th hand electric cars…then all of our talk here will be validated or invalidated. Eventually we’ll know how it turns out.

But today, right now, people can’t even keep their phones and laptops charged without owning a half dozen chargers and batteries and cables…and that’s just a phone. A phone quitting usually doesn’t matter.

Now compare this to a guy driving in sub zero temps, 40 miles from his home, 8% battery remaining, having to choose between running the headlights OR the window defrost because he knows running both will make the car quit two blocks from his driveway…which would either require a hilariously short tow or borrowing a neighbors power supply. That’s the kind of shit situation you’ll never find yourself in with a petro car because you’d just fill the tank without issue when you were 40 miles from home and not refuel/recharge for a week.

The reason you never run out of gas is because it’s easy to not run out of gas because it’s easy to add gas. The same is not true of massive batteries. Anyone who runs out of power in an e car now gets towed. If they forget to charge the car %100 the night before, your range is reduced, running the heat reduces the range, headlights, stereo, charging your phone, it all reduces range. Time, just using the battery over and over, reduces its range (petro car gas tanks don’t “shrink” over time). If it’s 0F out your battery has to consume power just to warm itself enough to run the car…and that also reduces the range. If you put stickier tires on your e car than the rock hard ones it came with, ranges is reduced.

A petro car makes all the power it needs for accessories mostly from heat wasted by the ICE and a 12V generator that barely affects range at all. If your ICE car is running, your heat is free. Every BTU counts in an e car. There is no remainder.

 

[SignOfGoob]

Doug Demuro did a really fun video about the Geo Metro and what a classic shitbox it is/was.

I didn’t watch the video but I remember this car would shake and rattle so much going down the road that the mirrors were too blurry to use. I’m speaking only of the drop top. The normal version was an unimpressive but decent machine that had the highest MPG in the US for a time. The GTI versions (Suzuki only, I think) were a lot of fun.

 

[Ralfakick]

As long as nobody actually thinks an electric car is going to save the planet or even save them money, my job is done. As long as we know it’s just douchebags flexing, I’m not bothered.

 

[Ralfakick]

Have you ever tried to pull a Geo Metro on to a rural two lane highway with no off-ramp to get up to the speed of traffic?

Feels like you’re gonna die every fucking time.

I live near interstate 95, the road to get to it goes from two lanes to one and then I have to merge onto it from the left side which is insane here in the US as that is typically the speed lane. Not only that it’s a four lane highway and if you want to go to New Jersey which the ramp to the bridge is right up the road you then have to get over in four lane traffic. I do that every single day practically.

Speaking of GEOs two of my friends in high school had Geo trackers, I don’t know how they never flipped them over going around corners at high speeds, I know one of them almost did with me in the car

 

[mainman]

Yeah, yeah Delorean is back but what of the cocaine.

 

[Ralfakick]

Yeah, yeah Delorean is back but what of the cocaine.

The hype will lead to the cocaine.

 

[norton9478]

I remember one time I was in a Tractor-Trailer on the outer loop of DC. Some lady in a geo metro decides to merge in front of us going all that her lil 3 cylinder engine could handle. My driver hit the horn, threw on the jake and slammed the brakes. I don't know how close we were to putting her tailpipe up her ass but I couldn't even see her car over the front of the rig.

 

[Ralfakick]

I remember one time I was in a Tractor-Trailer on the outer loop of DC. Some lady in a geo metro decides to merge in front of us going all that her lil 3 cylinder engine could handle. My driver hit the horn, threw on the jake and slammed the brakes. I don't know how close we were to putting her tailpipe up her ass but I couldn't even see her car over the front of the rig.

The beltways around DC/Maryland are like Mad Max Fury Road.

 

[NeoSneth]

Now compare this to a guy driving in sub zero temps, 40 miles from his home, 8% battery remaining, having to choose between running the headlights OR the window defrost because he knows running both will make the car quit two blocks from his driveway…which would either require a hilariously short tow or borrowing a neighbors power supply. That’s the kind of shit situation you’ll never find yourself in with a petro car because you’d just fill the tank without issue when you were 40 miles from home and not refuel/recharge for a week.

The reason you never run out of gas is because it’s easy to not run out of gas because it’s easy to add gas. The same is not true of massive batteries. Anyone who runs out of power in an e car now gets towed. If they forget to charge the car %100 the night before, your range is reduced, running the heat reduces the range, headlights, stereo, charging your phone, it all reduces range. Time, just using the battery over and over, reduces its range (petro car gas tanks don’t “shrink” over time). If it’s 0F out your battery has to consume power just to warm itself enough to run the car…and that also reduces the range. If you put stickier tires on your e car than the rock hard ones it came with, ranges is reduced.

A petro car makes all the power it needs for accessories mostly from heat wasted by the ICE and a 12V generator that barely affects range at all. If your ICE car is running, your heat is free. Every BTU counts in an e car. There is no remainder.

It's clear you've never driven in a modern electric vehicle by the majority of these comments.

 

[norton9478]

I live near interstate 95, the road to get to it goes from two lanes to one and then I have to merge onto it from the left side which is insane here in the US as that is typically the speed lane. Not only that it’s a four lane highway and if you want to go to New Jersey which the ramp to the bridge is right up the road you then have to get over in four lane traffic. I do that every single day practically.

I hate that stretch of road.

 

[HDRchampion]

Just a heads up Hot Toys is releasing Delorean!

DeLorean Time Machine Sixth Scale Figure Accessory by Hot Toys

The DeLorean Time Machine Sixth Scale Figure Accessory by Hot Toys is available at Sidshow.com for fans of Back to the Future and classic movie collectibles.

www.sideshow.com

I missed out on the first one!

 

[Gentlegamer]

When we hit 88 mph ...

 

[FAT$TACKS]

Doug Demuro did a really fun video about the Geo Metro and what a classic shitbox it is/was.

I worked for a computer place back in the day and the company car I drove to the jobs was an old Geo Metro hatchback, with a manual. It was the worst least fun manual I had ever driven. Also, the last, as I hated it so much by the time I was done driving that thing that it sapped all the fun out of a stick forever after.