CPS11 18 in 1 RARE

[pipes]

What if Tommo made that 18-in-1 boot?

You couldn't possibly cram all of Tommo's goodness into one single boot. We would have to re-evaluate all the laws of the universe in that case.

 

[Mendel]

How is this different from a neo geo 161-in-1? Yeah... it´s a bootleg that plays on original hardware.
I sold one such multicart here and nobody complained.
I think the rules either aren´t quite clear about this or they just aren´t enforced at all.
Maybe the problem is the scumbags who make these bootlegs getting money from selling games they have no right to sell?
But they of course get no money from people re-selling their used boards so I don´t really get it.

What I think *should* be forbidden is to sell a bootleg while trying to pass it off as a genuine game. Otherwise I´m not so sure. Anyways for this board there can be no confusion as there never was an official 18-in-1 from Capcom, therefore of course the only versions of cps1 and 2 multicarts are bootlegs.


as for selling this for such an inflated price, should there be a punishment for that? Yes, you can punish the sellers high price by not buying it
The price will come down if it doesn´t sell and if it does sell then the price was right.

 

[kuze]

Motherboards aren't games, I don't think I've ever seen a bootleg cps2 motherboard but whatever. So Raz has been printing those real Capcom stikers himself? Man, I didn't know that. Why does he always ask us to send our maskroms to him if he ends up just burning new eproms then? Fuck this, this is retarded.

He probably doesn't want to be involved with conversions, so having the maskroms verifies that you actually own the game you're asking him to phoenix.

 

[CORY]

He probably doesn't want to be involved with conversions, so having the maskroms verifies that you actually own the game you're asking him to phoenix.

Now we're getting somewhere. So having a game phoenixed by Raz prooves that it's real to a certain extent. It's no conversion from another game. What if I tape the original maskroms somewhere inside the board, wouldn't that make it a 100% original phoenixed board?

 

[mainman]

You can play all the mental gymnastics you want to convince yourself that those 18 in 1 and possibly any other upcoming flash variety of cps2 converted boards are not boots, fact is they are. To cut you off, no phoenix boards do not fall into this conversion and boot category.

Cps2 boards have maskroms. In order to phoenix them, you have to replace the encrypted maskroms with decrypted Roms burnt on EPROMs, no matter if you are Raz or someone selling "kits" on eBay.

Also those 18 in 1 boards iirc use an authentic A board sac'ed from an official game

Your not replacing the mask roms, you are reprogramming the eprom based program roms. The heart of the board are the mask roms as they can not be replaced as easily as rewritable storage. There are OTP equivalents to mask roms but they are so ungodly expensive due to their obsolete nature that no one would try to use them.

Just to clarify for anyone not familiar with this....

They've taken a Cps2 "A" motherboard and uncased it.
Mated it with a modded "B" board with the game roms - which are the same ones used on Phoenixed game boards.

Here it is in action. I'm not sure why some are getting all bent out of shape over it though. I see no issue with having 18 capcom games on one board that play flawlessly on original hardware....what's the problem?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WCOiuq3nh50

The CPS2 hardware was not designed to bank switch between games, it is not a MVS. As a result of forcing it to pretend it is one using the best black market ghetto engineering available the setup is finicky and buggy as most but not all who have bought one have reported issues. I know your going to argue how reliable your 18 in 1 is and I am exaggerating their unreliability. The truth is my inbox is flooded daily and in the span of EVERY 7 days I get no less than 2 people asking me to fix their 18 in 1 boot, I shit you not.


I'm curious how come when it comes to MVS boots the community is more than ready to get the pitch forks out to lynch a mother fucker or two trying to mass produce and sell them but with cps2 the community is like it's all good bring the 18 in 1 and please hurry up and bring out the next home-brew CPS2 all in one ASAP, it's all good baby.

 

[ChuChu Flamingo]

Because people don't want to pony up the money for the actual games. It is becoming terribly bad now, some of the higher up games prices are almost equal to the real deal.

 

[mainman]

Because people don't want to pony up the money for the actual games. It is becoming terribly bad now, some of the higher up games prices are almost equal to the real deal.

At that point than maybe they should just build a mame cabinet as the whole fricken point of not building a mame cabinet has been lost if your just going to throw a multi boot in the cabinet while sniffing some markers to try to help convince yourself your gaming on the real thing.

If their paying $200+ for a boot shoot yourself because if cash is the issue going mame would be the better option.

 

[CORY]

Your not replacing the mask roms, you are reprogramming the eprom based program roms. The heart of the board are the mask roms as they can not be replaced as easily as rewritable storage. There are OTP equivalents to mask roms but they are so ungodly expensive due to their obsolete nature that no one would try to use them.

Wait, are the originals eproms (or whatever they're called) that we have to send to Raz the exact same ones that he send back to us or not? I'm confused.

Also, totally agree with you on the CPS2 boots love going on here. I've seen some serious shit on these forums like some newly made $160 Dimahoo/Gigawing boots and nobody gave a fuck.

 

[mainman]

Wait, are the originals eproms (or whatever they're called) that we have to send to Raz the exact same ones that he send back to us or not? I'm confused.

Also, totally agree with you on the CPS2 boots love going on here. I've seen some serious shit on these forums like some newly made $160 Dimahoo/Gigawing boots and nobody gave a fuck.

Have you ever opened a ORIGINAL cps2 board, the vast majority of the library use mask rom based storage for the game graphics and sound. The mask roms are the large black chips, the eproms are the slightly smaller 40 pin chips with Capcom sticker on them and under these stickers are windows. The eproms hold the game program and can be erased using light and reprogrammed, these are the roms you are sending to Raz.

For the sake of argument no you do not need to get back the exact same eproms you send in to raz, the 4meg eproms are interchangeable with any equivalent package.

I tell you it is disturbing how willingly the majority of the community here has fallen in love with boot cps2 boards. If I was as diabolical as the people who still plot to make cps2 boots I could have and still can single handily saturate the market but will not because I have better morals.

 

[CORY]

Have you ever opened a ORIGINAL cps2 board, the vast majority of the library use mask rom based storage for the game graphics and sound. The mask roms are the large black chips, the eproms are the slightly smaller 40 pin chips with Capcom sticker on them and under these stickers are windows. The eproms hold the game program and can be erased using light and reprogrammed, these are the roms you are sending to Raz.

For the sake of argument no you do not need to get back the exact same eproms you send in to raz, the 4meg eproms are interchangeable with any equivalent package.

I tell you it is disturbing how willingly the majority of the community here has fallen in love with boot cps2 boots. If I was as diabolical as the people who still plot to make cps2 boots I could have and still can single handily saturate the market but will not because I have better morals.

Yes, I've opened quite a few CPS2 boards to change the batteries and even took out said eproms to send them to Raz at 2 occasions. What I'm saying here is this: if Raz send the same eproms back (which I always believed he did until this fucking thread went nuts and got me confused), then there is no reason whatsoever to call or even compare phoenixed boards to bootlegs since all of the parts are the original parts from Capcom. Modified/fixed/phoenixed eproms yes, but all originals.

That example I just gave you about Dimahoo/Gigawing really points out something interesting imo. It looks like people just don't give a fuck about original CPS2 boards anymore. For christ's sake, the buyers could have gotten originals boards for cheaper than what they paid for those boots. This is ridiculous.

 

[mainman]

Yes, I've opened quite a few CPS2 boards to change the batteries and even took out said eproms to send them to Raz at 2 occasions. What I'm saying here is this: if Raz send the same eproms back (which I always believed he did until this fucking thread went nuts and got me confused), then there is no reason whatsoever to call or even compare phoenixed boards to bootlegs since all of the parts are the original parts from Capcom. Modified/fixed/phoenixed eproms yes, but all originals.

That example I just gave you about Dimahoo/Gigawing really points out something interesting imo. It looks like people just don't give a fuck about original CPS2 boards anymore. For christ's sake, the buyers could have gotten originals boards for cheaper than what they paid for those boots. This is ridiculous.

Ok the mask roms in question are unique Capcom parts in the sense they were made especially and only for Capcom and only for that particular game. The mask roms for AVP can never be used for anything else but AVP. The eproms however are off the shelve component which can be used for anything, they were not made especially for cps2 boards and should not devalue a board if they are exchanged.

The way it works for me is I remove the eproms from MVC and replace them with reprogrammed eproms I got from another cps2 board, the circle just keeps going like this.

ChuChu Flamingo was close to the truth about what is going on in the market. The truth is much like what has already happened with MVS carts, cps2 carts are drying up and the only way most feel they will get all the games they want is to go the boot way. Prices are going up on originals and people are not letting them circulate.

It's not that people don't care but more like what are the chances of you deciding you wanted a original armored warrior or progear and being able to instantaneously buy it like a COTA without offering up your first born. People do care, I have had deals terminated because the shell or sticker of a original board was not minty enough.

I'm just shocked at how open the community is about having sex with boot cps2 carts.

I personally at this point would not let a gigawing or dimahoo go for less than $160. I'm on the fence about liquidating my personal secondarily CPS2 collection.

 

[ECZangief]

FIGHT SDIGHT DIGHT DIHGT DIHGTDIHGT DIHGTI DIGHTIDITHG DIHGTID HGIT FIGHT IFIGHTI FIGHTI FIGHT FIGHT FIHGT FIGHT
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[Chempop]

1. Giga Wing

 

[ChuChu Flamingo]

FIGHT SDIGHT DIGHT DIHGT DIHGTDIHGT DIHGTI DIGHTIDITHG DIHGTID HGIT FIGHT IFIGHTI FIGHTI FIGHT FIGHT FIHGT FIGHT
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Shots fired

 

[CORY]

FIGHT SDIGHT DIGHT DIHGT DIHGTDIHGT DIHGTI DIGHTIDITHG DIHGTID HGIT FIGHT IFIGHTI FIGHTI FIGHT FIGHT FIHGT FIGHT
;keke::ekek::ekeke::kekek:;ekeke'

OMG A FIGHT!!!!!! WHERE IS IT??????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111

We all agreed this is just a boot runing on an original motherboard just like every fucking bootlegs on the MVS, STV, F3, CPS1, etc systems

Also, it's GIGA WANG you noob

 

[CORY]

The way it works for me is I remove the eproms from MVC and replace them with reprogrammed eproms I got from another cps2 board, the circle just keeps going like this.

So I got my answer right there, thanks. If you can swap them out, you can also just put them back in place. Phoenixed boards have nothing to do with boots unless you're an anal collector.

 

[ChuChu Flamingo]

I think the pricing is going to get even worse like mainman stated. Also keep in mind there are CPS2 A Superguns being built that are introducing a lot of new blood to the scene. Much how the explosion of mass produced consolized MVS affected mvs prices, it is going to affect the prices dramatically here as well.

 

[mainman]

So I got my answer right there, thanks. If you can swap them out, you can also just put them back in place. Phoenixed boards have nothing to do with boots unless you're an anal collector.

Yes you can put the same exact roms back but it's anti productive since it takes about 90 minutes to erase them when you can just very easily change them out for chips that are already erased and ready to go.

 

[CORY]

Yes you can put the same exact roms back but it's anti productive since it takes about 90 minutes to erase them when you can just very easily change them out for chips that are already erased and ready to go.

What about those Capcom stickers, do you think Raz just prints new ones? I could have sworn the eproms I got back from him were the real deal. The stickers on the phoenixed eproms were the exact same as the ones I've sent to him.

 

[mainman]

What about those Capcom stickers, do you think Raz just prints new ones? I could have sworn the eproms I got back from him were the real deal. The stickers on the phoenixed eproms were the exact same as the ones I've sent to him.

Those stickers would be expensive to replace with new ones considering how much you are paying for the phoenix job by comparison. The proper labels should be foil stickers.

You can also just reuse the original stickers also. This is going above and beyond as far as I'm concerned as you would have to gentling remove them and painstakingly reattached them. I do not do this, I just use my network label maker and produce black and white replacements. The primary job of the labels once the eproms are on the board in the correct socket is to keep light out. I do however save the original stickers as I have a giant zip lock bag of them. I use to foolishly keep the original batteries until about a hundred of them went Chernobyl on me.

 

[Jassin000]

At that point than maybe they should just build a mame cabinet as the whole fricken point of not building a mame cabinet has been lost if your just going to throw a multi boot in the cabinet while sniffing some markers to try to help convince yourself your gaming on the real thing.

If their paying $200+ for a boot shoot yourself because if cash is the issue going mame would be the better option.

This! The only advantage the 18-in-1 has over PC MAME is 100% original timing, because of the 15khz video output.
If thats important to you, just buy a ArcadeVGA card or use GroovyMAME and a ATI card with hacked drivers.

Phoenix boards are conversions, and not boots... This is because you own the original game.
Multicarts are boots, because you don't own shit.

Personally I have no problems with boots, but lets call a apple a apple and not confuse the issue.
The bigger issue at play here is for each one of these a original CPS2 motherboard had to be used/died.

 

[Dr Shroom]

OMG A FIGHT!!!!!! WHERE IS IT??????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111

We all agreed this is just a boot runing on an original motherboard just like every fucking bootlegs on the MVS, STV, F3, CPS1, etc systems

Also, it's GIGA WANG you noob

NIGGA WANG

 

[capcombug]

Wow... what the hell just happend to my for sale thread? It went from a for sale thread to a bitch fight real quick. Lol.... I've seen people sell Boot atomiswaves cart, muti cart MVS, and other numerous flash carts on here without any provocation. How is a multi 18 in 1 board with real CPS11 hardware any different? Anyways... price dropped. You won't find these anymore.. it took me 3 years to find one. I might just keep it. I've updated pics on the original post.

-Game on!

 

[cowise]

Wow... what the hell just happend to my for sale thread? It went from a for sale thread to a bitch fight real quick. Lol.... I've seen people sell Boot atomiswaves cart, muti cart MVS, and other numerous flash carts on here without any provocation. How is a multi 18 in 1 board with real CPS11 hardware any different? Anyways... price dropped. You won't find these anymore.. it took me 3 years to find one. I might just keep it. I've updated pics on the original post.

-Game on!

I'm still interested in purchasing this. It looks like I don't have PM abilities, but if you'd like to send me your paypal information to my email (username @ gmail), I can send payment today.

 

[Ninjainspandex]

the problem isn't the fact that your selling a boot, most people don't care. The problem is your tying to make an obscene profit on a boot. It's a grey area here but most people ignore it since the boots are priced as boots, affordably and not intended for making profit.