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Lomachenko vs Luke Campbell is official.

Fight is August 31 in London.

Lightweight Titles on the line:
Lomachenko's Ring Magazine, WBA (Super), WBO
Vacant WBC

Richard Commey has the other belt (IBF). Commey has to fight the winner of Lopez vs Nakatani, and the winner likely gets Lomachenko for the undisputed title.
 

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The WBC is now going to randomly drug test their judges for fights.

They are apparently gonna fight out if Adelaide Byrd really is on crack.
 

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Wilder vs Fury II is official for February 22.

Provided neither loses before then, of course.

Wilder is fighting Luis Ortiz in September or October, Fury is fighting an opponent to be named in September (probably a no-hoper).
 

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Good Stuff, should be interesting. Who do you think is going to win Fami?
I suspect Wilder will get out-boxed until he suddenly and violently knocks Fury out.

I think Wilder's rematch with Ortiz will be telling.

In his first fight with Bermane Stiverne, when he first won his WBC Championship, Wilder went to a 12 round UD win.

When he rematched Stiverne, he destroyed him. Three knockdowns in a first round knockout.

The first fight with Ortiz, Wilder was in a war until he won with a 10th round knockout. Ortiz was down 3 times in the fight but he rocked Wilder badly at the end of the 7th and nearly got the KO.

If Wilder wrecks Ortiz in 5 rounds or less, I think it's a good sign he'll fight much better against Fury. Ortiz is a highly skilled fighter and if Wilder handles him easily it's a sign that his own skills have improved after the tough Ortiz and Fury fights the first time around.

Wilder's keys to beating Fury:
-Come in heavier. He was at his career lightest in the first Fury fight, and was like 13 pounds heavier when he blasted Breazeale out of there earlier this year.

-Better cardio. Wilder is known for his great gas tank, but missing so many haymakers will tire anybody out. If Wilder wasn't gassed in that 12th I don't think Fury undertakers his way back to his feet after that knockdown.

-Use more jabs, to the body and the head. Wilder is known for his savage windmill right hands but he actually possesses a fantastic jab as well. But after the first few rounds in the first fight Wilder just went head hunting. He needs to put together his combinations and be more patient.

The biggest thing for Wilder is that he knows he can hurt Fury but Fury can't really hurt him. He has to be smarter and more patient.

Fury's keys to beating Wilder:
-Keep moving. Can't afford to get caught.

-Keep firing that jab. He out-skilled Wilder easily in the first fight but the bottom line is he only landed like 12 more punches than Wilder throughout the fight. Because every shot Wilder lands is dangerous and eye-catching, Fury is going to have to out-land him significantly. If Fury lands 10-20 more jabs throughout that first fight he probably gets the decision.

-Don't get cocky. If he loses focus and showboats for a single second Wilder can put his lights out. Fury had no business getting caught like he did in round 12.

Another thing I think is telling is that Fury is the one who pulled out of the immediate rematch negotiations to fight Tom Schwarz and likely another nobody. He is the one who is acting like he lost the fight, taking on no-hopers to rebuild his confidence and not blow his rematch payday.

On the other hand, Wilder fought his mandatory challenger, who was consensus top 10 in Breazeale, and destroyed him. But then he chose Luis Ortiz, who is a consensus top 5 fighter as his voluntary while he waits for Fury.

Ortiz is a live dog and a threat to KO anybody on any given night. He could beat Wilder and fuck up the rematch, he would likely waste Joshua or Ruiz, and he'd haze a chance against Fury.

So to me, Wilder is acting like the fighter who won and who expects to continue to be the champion.

Fury is acting like the fighter who thinks his days are numbered and wants to cash out fighting bums before he gets slept.
 

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Ortiz is all wrong for Ruiz. He's a counterpuncher with power and outstanding defense.
 

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Oh I'd watch the hell out of it. I just don't think the outcome would be in question.
 

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Oh I'd watch the hell out of it. I just don't think the outcome would be in question.

Hah. Ruiz might be feeling like a king right now but I think the most important thing about where he is positioned right now - in the spotlight - is that he can milk it and make some real money. Before the Joshua fight I think he couldn't have imagined where he's at right now. Tomorrow he might well be back where he was then, so hopefully he is being intelligent about this very ephemeral moment in time
 

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Even if Joshua wrecks him in the rematch he'll be able to get big fights for the next few years. Everybody wants to say they beat a former heavyweight champion.
 

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Tons of relevant fights at heavyweight over the weekend, including two of Tyson Fury's cousins in separate fights (Hughie Fury and Nathan Gorman)

Heavyweight fights this weekend, with BoxRec top 100 ratings:
#68 Jermaine Franklin (18-0-0) vs #99 Jerry Forrest (25-2-0)
#46 Otto Wallin (20-0-0) vs #64 BJ Flores (34-4-1)
#74 Ivan Dychko (8-0-0) vs Nate Heaven (9-2-0)
#19 Hughie Fury (22-2-0) vs #47 Samuel Peter (38-7-0)
#55 Daniel Dubois (11-0-0) vs #44 Nathan Gorman (16-0-0)
#28 Joe Joyce (9-0-0) vs #26 Bryant Jennings (24-3-0)
#23 Robert Helenius (28-2-0) vs #35 Gerald Washington (19-3-1)
#17 Charles Martin (26-2-1) vs Daniel Martz (18-6-1)
#70 Frank Sanchez Faure (11-0-0) vs Jason Bergman (27-16-2)
Tony Yoka* (5-0-0) vs #36 Alexander Dimitrenko (41-5-0)

*unranked due to inactivity, but won an Olympic Gold Medal

Several prospects here are fighting veterans. Joyce, Faure, Yokia, Wallin, Dychko, and Franklin are all well regarded prospects fighting a more experienced guy.

Dubois and Gorman are both good prospects fighting each other for the British title.

Samuel Peter and Charles Martin are both former world heavyweight titlists. Hughie Fury, Jennings, and Washington are considered solid contenders. Dimintrenko is who Ruiz beat before the Joshua fight.

There is a good chance at least one or two of those names will challenge Wilder, Ruiz, or Fury in the next year.
 
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KO of the weekend:
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Gerald Washington puts Robert Helenius to sleep.

Washington was down on 2 of the 3 scorecards at this point.
 

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Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whittaker was struck and killed by a car in Virginia Beach last night. He was 55 years old.

He was known as the best defensive fighter of his era and one of the greatest fighters ever.

His boxing accomplishments:
-1984 Olympic Gold Medalist
-Undisputed (WBA, WBC, IBF, Ring, lineal) lightweight champion
-IBF Super Lightweight champion
-WBC and lineal welterweight champion
-WBA super welterweight champion
-International boxing hall of fame class of 2006
 

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That's sad news. R.I.P

I still clearly recall the gift draw they gave Chavez in that fight with Sweet Pea.
 

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Some big fights announced

September 28 welterweight unification:
IBF Champion Errol Spence Jr vs WBC Champion Shawn Porter

Winner should get the winner of WBA Super Champion Keith Thurman vs WBA Regular Champion Manny Pacquiao.

October 5, light heavyweight unification:
lineal and WBC Champion Oleksandr Gvozdky vs IBF Champion Artur Beterbiev

Anybody want to make a pick for Pac vs Thurman on Saturday?

Pac is the slight betting favorite but I favor Thurman by KO.
 

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Some big fights announced

September 28 welterweight unification:
IBF Champion Errol Spence Jr vs WBC Champion Shawn Porter

Winner should get the winner of WBA Super Champion Keith Thurman vs WBA Regular Champion Manny Pacquiao.

October 5, light heavyweight unification:
lineal and WBC Champion Oleksandr Gvozdky vs IBF Champion Artur Beterbiev

Anybody want to make a pick for Pac vs Thurman on Saturday?

Pac is the slight betting favorite but I favor Thurman by KO.

A tough call, Thurman by points but wouldn't surprise me if Pac won by TKO. But I think Thurman can fight clever with enough slip and slide and one two's to outpoint his rival
 
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Great fight by Pacquiao.

That knockdown in the first round gave him the win.

Thurman backed straight up with his hands down like an idiot, and the legend made him pay.

I don't think Pacquiao can beat Spence or Crawford, but this is his best win in a very long time.
 

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Pac Man won but he took some serious shots as well. He should avoid Spence, IMO. I think he gets really hurt in that one.
 

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If he won't fight Spence or Crawford then he should retire. He's a world champion. If he's not willing to fight the other world champions, he has no rightful claim to the title.
 

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Maxim Dadashev has died as a result of the injuries sustained in his fight against Subriel Matias Friday night.

Dadashev's corner threw in the towel in round 11 but it was too late. He was placed in a medically induced coma as a result of a brain bleed and never recovered. He was 28.
 

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Guy gets his head whaled on for a living, dies.

How you guys can watch boxing/MMA is beyond my understanding, why anyone would bother to compete in such a sport even moreso. I saw the initial report on Saturday when it popped up on ESPN and reading the article literally made me sick to my stomach.
 
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