BIG problem with an ebay transaction involving a member of NG.com

[Scott]

I used a wet cloth to clean it, as in wet with water...nothing else. Took maybe two minutes tops. Whatever was on the cart came right off. It was never opened or anything. Listen, I know I'm not getting a refund and I can understand and appreciate that its my word against his. The only reason I am even remotely upset is because I was offered a refund and now I'm being denied it. The seller knew I tested it, and therefore knew it could have been theoretically killed when doing so, but I was offered the refund anyway. Now I'm not getting a refund not because I could have had a faulty motherboard or something, but because it was wiped with a cloth. For the record, my motherboard works fine with all of my other games.

 

[Jedah Doma]

I used a wet cloth to clean it, as in wet with water...nothing else. Took maybe two minutes tops. Whatever was on the cart came right off. It was never opened or anything. Listen, I know I'm not getting a refund and I can understand and appreciate that its my word against his. The only reason I am even remotely upset is because I was offered a refund and now I'm being denied it. The seller knew I tested it, and therefore knew it could have been theoretically killed when doing so, but I was offered the refund anyway. Now I'm not getting a refund not because I could have had a faulty motherboard or something, but because it was wiped with a cloth. For the record, my motherboard works fine with all of my other games.

Well, in the end, the seller has the right to remove an offer of a refund from the table after it has been offered. This is especially true since he had already stated in the original auction that, in his his words:

"Absolutely no refunds since I can not verify installation".

So really he's not changing anything from the original deal. He extended the offer of a refund AFTER the transaction was over (and by his own free will). So, now he is using this same free will to deny you that refund. While I see why you're annoyed, billd420 is within his legal rights, as a seller, to withdraw any extra agreements tagged on to the sale AFTER the ending of the auction (therby not covered under any sort of contract).

 

[racecar]

hello .. i am sending a gdrom back to bill420

 

[billd420]

hello .. i am sending a gdrom back to bill420

Speakin of which did you plot that in the mail yet? I'm still waitin....

 

[racecar]

Speakin of which did you plot that in the mail yet? I'm still waitin....

i got the tracking # @ home also.. it's send to the new addy ( your work)you gave me

you can track it @ www.canadapost.ca


tracking # is cx135318596ca

 

[billd420]

Scott, I left your name out of this to avoid defacing of character, however that notion went out the window.

I had absolutely no problem going against my selling terms outlined in the auction and offering a refund, however the item is signifigantly different than the one that I sent to you. I'm not out to get you or any other customers. I have much bigger fish to fry then to sell someone a broken $200 game.

The simple fact is the board is not in the same condition as it was when I sent it to you in working order. You "cleaned" it when you recieved it, and I think thats what killed the board to be honest.

I had said over PM that I'll return the MVC2 and GBA SP at your cost, but since I'm in a somewhat good mood, I'll cover shipping.

Sorry this transaction didn't work out.

-B

 

[billd420]

i got the tracking # @ home also.. it's send to the new addy ( your work)you gave me

Cool I'll be watchin for it.

-B

 

[jetblue]

I clean everything i buy before using it. Its like a ritual now it truly is mine. I get out the alcohol,canned air,swabs,toothpics,dust free rags and "awesome" cleaner for white surfaces. And that naomi cart looked filthy. Great job on cleaning it

No way it could be repaired?

 

[themisterfalcon]

Do Naomi games/boards come in different region settings? There might be a possibility it being something as simple as that too.

 

[Yodd]

Though I don't have an opinion in this matter swinging either way, I also tend to clean the hell out of used stuff before I even plug it in.

I dunno why, just makes me feel better.

 

[Greatkiller]

AHH NM! my opinion isnt important

 

[norton9478]

Bill you did good to name names.

You never know, maybe other people will or have had similar problems with him....

Look at the sonic dude with the boots and NGCD pad...

It's good to get the word out... In case someone is up to no good.

This way we have a record...

 

[Borman]

Would you plug in a dirty NG cart from Yaton before cleaning it? No. I think Scott did what any other person would do who doesnt want to ruin his system.

 

[Gotenks326]

Would you plug in a dirty NG cart from Yaton before cleaning it? No. I think Scott did what any other person would do who doesnt want to ruin his system.

I thought that he only cleaned the exterior encasing? With a Yaton cart, you'd clean the contacts which are important to have clean (As opposed to simply having the cart shell clean).

 

[Borman]

I clean every little piece of his damn carts. So bleh, maybe im the only one lol

Edit: And even if he cleaned only the outside, that wouldnt effect playability or the cart itself, so why shouldnt a refund be offered. I always dust off what I recieve and clean the casing and everything (sort of what I was getting at in my last post, too late in the night lol), even if im not scrubbing down contacts (naomi especially, its a bit tougher).

 

[topher]

Would you plug in a dirty NG cart from Yaton before cleaning it? No. I think Scott did what any other person would do who doesnt want to ruin his system.

yes, and I have / do...thats what my 1 slot is for. The 2 slot is for the cleaned games, but I want to verify operability before cleaning to prevent the kind of thing that has occured here. Once opened, all bets for a refund for non-working are off. Boots are a different story though, if advertised as original then I expect an original.

 

[CarlosZ]

Im totally in between all of this so this has no relevance to these fellow NG'ers but even though alot of people are favoring "cleaning the received item before using" from the different postings, I think the lesson here is:

Don't clean shit or you won't get a refund.

 

[Vectorman0]

When the package arrived the first time, it didn't look damaged at all? It could have been dropped in a puddle or something.

Also, Bill, have you tried opening the cart to take a look at it?

 

[billd420]

When the package arrived the first time, it didn't look damaged at all? It could have been dropped in a puddle or something.

Also, Bill, have you tried opening the cart to take a look at it?

Yes I opened it up to see if there was any physical broken components which there were not. The box looked pretty good as well, however it wasn't the one I shipped it in. Also, the board was spotless, not even a spec of dust.

 

[Neo Collector]

Yes I opened it up to see if there was any physical broken components which there were not. The box looked pretty good as well, however it wasn't the one I shipped it in. Also, the board was spotless, not even a spec of dust.

Any sign of liquid inside the cart or something else that might have burn the roms (not fisically) ?

 

[Xian Xi]

I used a wet cloth to clean it, as in wet with water...nothing else.

So when you cleaned it you used a wet cloth on a game shell with vents? And before you tested it you never checked to make sure there was no water inside that can possibly fry the game?

 

[Scott]

Its not like the thing was dripping with water, just damp enough so that I could wipe the sticker off. I'm not an idiot, I've cleaned stuff before without any problems. The inside of the game wasn't wet, cleaning the game didn't do anything other than getting it clean. I can't believe how many people are defending this...I was promised a refund, now I ain't getting one because the game isn't dirty. The whole thing is bullshit, plain and simple. There's no way I can prove it, but I guarantee the cart never worked to begin with. Thats that.

 

[Neo Collector]

Its not like the thing was dripping with water, just damp enough so that I could wipe the sticker off. I'm not an idiot, I've cleaned stuff before without any problems. The inside of the game wasn't wet, cleaning the game didn't do anything other than getting it clean. I can't believe how many people are defending this...I was promised a refund, now I ain't getting one because the game isn't dirty. The whole thing is bullshit, plain and simple. There's no way I can prove it, but I guarantee the cart never worked to begin with. Thats that.

I dont think defending is the word to describe our situation here, in my case im trying to understand what happens, nobody likes this kind of situation, its not good to you and im pretty shure Bill doesnt like it too, but what is done is done theres no way back now, he offered a refund to you but after inspecting the product he backed out with the offer, he has the right to do this as he said in the auction there will be no refund and the product was sold as is. Im sorry for your lost and theres nothing else to say or do.

 

[ironish]

Its not like the thing was dripping with water, just damp enough so that I could wipe the sticker off. I'm not an idiot, I've cleaned stuff before without any problems. The inside of the game wasn't wet, cleaning the game didn't do anything other than getting it clean. I can't believe how many people are defending this...I was promised a refund, now I ain't getting one because the game isn't dirty. The whole thing is bullshit, plain and simple. There's no way I can prove it, but I guarantee the cart never worked to begin with. Thats that.

I believe you didn't clean it with a sopping wet towel. I don't think that's how the game got damaged. I always clean with a mildly damp paper towel, damp just to the point where it will not leak water if you wring it.

 

[billd420]

I guarantee the cart never worked to begin with. Thats that.

So now you're calling me a liar? Ok Thats cool....