Best LED TV's?

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I was planning to buy a new tv sometime this year, my 32" Panasonic isn't really cutting it for me anymore. My plan was to upgrade to a Panasonic plasma, but it seems those will be off the market before I planned to upgrade. Samsung still makes plasmas but a lot of reviews say they have high levels of input lag, which is bad for gaming obviously. So that leaves me considering LED. I know there are some people here who are very knowledgable about A/V stuff, just curious what some of your favorite brands are. Or should I wait til 4k is realistically priced?
 

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I don't even know what 4k means. but my tv takes about a minute to power up now after some weird stuttering, blurs,and stopping and melting off stuff for about three days around a month ago.
So I'm going to piggyback in here so I'll be able to find it easier and hope people help this guy out!
 

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I was planning to buy a new tv sometime this year, my 32" Panasonic isn't really cutting it for me anymore. My plan was to upgrade to a Panasonic plasma, but it seems those will be off the market before I planned to upgrade. Samsung still makes plasmas but a lot of reviews say they have high levels of input lag, which is bad for gaming obviously. So that leaves me considering LED. I know there are some people here who are very knowledgable about A/V stuff, just curious what some of your favorite brands are. Or should I wait til 4k is realistically priced?
The best TV's right now are OLED (as far as picture quality- better contrast, blacker blacks). But they are expensive, and only available in 1080p resolution (not 4K) at the moment.
So you get could a 4K LED LCD, or just a 1080p LED LCD, or wait for the 4K OLED to be released (at a decent price). New technology is always more expensive when it's first released. But there is not much content (ie, movies, tv etc) available in 4K resolution yet. 4K is about 4 times the resolution of full HD (1080p). The best size for a lounge room TV is at least 40". Samsung is the best brand, followed by Sony.
 
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I don't even know what 4k means. but my tv takes about a minute to power up now after some weird stuttering, blurs,and stopping and melting off stuff for about three days around a month ago.
So I'm going to piggyback in here so I'll be able to find it easier and hope people help this guy out!

4k actually means a resolution of about 4,000 horizontal pixels (I think I read ~3,600), compared to 1920 for 1080p.

I think 4k TV's are retarded. Just as we get a few years into a new standard, here comes another one.

Unless you feel the need to sit stupidly close and pixel-peep a 60+ inch screen, 1080p is just fine, but I guess manufacturers have to find a way to keep people spending money somehow.

EDIT: the resolution is 3840×2160

P.S. - I just got myself a 32" Samsung (series 5 I think?) a few months back and it's wonderful for gaming and movies. No perceptible lag, no ghosting and a beautiful 1080p picture.
 
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No more Panasonic plasmas? Fuck. That is terrible news.
 

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Don't waste your money on 4K anything. 1080 is fine. Also, on smaller displays under 42" the difference between 720 and 1080 is a non-issue.


No more Panasonic plasmas? Fuck. That is terrible news.

No....no more Panasonic plasmas.....dammit!:very_ang:

About a week or so ago, I checked the hour meter on my plasma. After 6 years it's just now getting to 2,600 hours. It should be good to go for a very long time.

P.S. - This would have been good in the A/V thread. There has not been any talk of 4K displays in that thread yet.
 
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Plasma's are still hands down the better product. I luckily bought my latest plasma in Nov '12. I went with a Panasonic Viera 65". LCD's and OLED need a good amount of calibration to bring the colors in line. The brightness makes the colors look deep but if you look at the same image on an OLED versus a Plasma you'll see that the colors are way off. Remember with LCD's and OLED's the tv interprets what it thinks the color should be. A plasma, since it's gas, is the true color. Often times plasma's are cheaper than LCD's and LED's. Their is honestly no reason to choose them.

Protip:

Purchase your tv the weekend before Black Friday. Sales for Stores are generally low that week which is a plus in your favor for haggling on price to start. Schedule delivery for that Saturday following Black Friday. Go back in on the evening of Black Friday and return the TV. The A/V department will not want to take a hit to their sales for the day so they will do whatever they can to keep the sale. That's how I got my $3,600 tv for $2,300.
 
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Getting a used Pioneer shouldn't be impossible. At least it isn't here; they pop up now and again, if people somehow go nuts and think they can get a new set that's better, or they want to upgrade in terms of size.

Also, there's no such thing as an "LED TV". LED is just another type of backlighting that is not in any way guaranteed to give better picture quality. The manufacturer still has to want to provide actual good picture quality for the set to be able to do that. It seems that most manufacturers have no idea how to, and OLED and 4K isn't going to help one bit.
 

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Pioneer Kuro Elite 60" is the dream.

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What's the going rate for "real sized" (50" and up) OLEDs? That's the current gen king as Joe said. Are they able to make big consumer ones now without a curved shape?


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Getting a used Pioneer shouldn't be impossible. At least it isn't here; they pop up now and again, if people somehow go nuts and think they can get a new set that's better, or they want to upgrade in terms of size.

Also, there's no such thing as an "LED TV". LED is just another type of backlighting that is not in any way guaranteed to give better picture quality. The manufacturer still has to want to provide actual good picture quality for the set to be able to do that. It seems that most manufacturers have no idea how to, and OLED and 4K isn't going to help one bit.

The LED backlight provides more even illuminaton, as well as better contrast and even a slightly deeper black level. I've never seen a regular LCD TV that looks as good as an LED backlit one.
 

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Plasma's are still hands down the better product. I luckily bought my latest plasma in Nov '12. I went with a Panasonic Viera 65". LCD's and OLED need a good amount of calibration to bring the colors in line. The brightness makes the colors look deep but if you look at the same image on an OLED versus a Plasma you'll see that the colors are way off. Remember with LCD's and OLED's the tv interprets what it thinks the color should be. A plasma, since it's gas, is the true color. Often times plasma's are cheaper than LCD's and LED's. Their is honestly no reason to choose them.



Protip:

Purchase your tv the weekend before Black Friday. Sales for Stores are generally low that week which is a plus in your favor for haggling on price to start. Schedule delivery for that Saturday following Black Friday. Go back in on the evening of Black Friday and return the TV. The A/V department will not want to take a hit to their sales for the day so they will do whatever they can to keep the sale. That's how I got my $3,600 tv for $2,300.
Then why do top of the range BVM's use OLED LCD, if the colors aren't as accurate as plasma, or the picture isn't as good?
As far as I know, no PVM or BVMs are plasma. A lot of the time the screen quality depends on what brand it is, not just whether it's LCD or plasma.
You can usually compare the screens in the store, if you're worried about picture quality of the LCD vs plasma. Stores normally show things like computer animated movies on their TV's (ie, shows that make any screen look good), so you might want to take your own discs to the store.
The blue color on an OLED can apparently wear out over time, and the gas in a plasma eventually wears out.

EDIT: the resolution is 3840×2160
The resolution of 4K is 4 times the resolution of 1080p (double resolution on both horizontal and vertical = 2x x 2x= 4x). 1920 x 2= 3840, 1080 x 2= 2160.
1920 x 1080 = 2,073,600 pixels.
3840 x 2160 = 8,294,400 pixels (which is 2,073,600 x 4).
4K (where "K" represents a thousand) refers to the no. of pixels horizontally which is roughly 4000 (actually, 3840 for a 4K tv, or something slightly different for a 4K movie camera). Movie film can resolve at least 4K resolution (for 35mm film), or least 8K for 70mm film. So 8K will probably be about the limit for anything shot on analogue film. Digital movie cameras will eventually shoot films in higher resolutions than that, though. There are already movie cameras that can shoot in 8K.
1080p is sometimes known as 2K, as the no. of pixels horizontally is roughly 2000 (1920 to be exact, or maybe different for movie cameras that shoot in 2K).

Don't waste your money on 4K anything. 1080 is fine. Also, on smaller displays under 42" the difference between 720 and 1080 is a non-issue.
Definitely get 1080p if you get afford it. That way you're getting all the resolution that's on the blu-ray disc. 3D and 4K are more things that are nice to have (and the TVs that are available now will be superseded when 4K 3D OLED TVs are released). Most movies and tv content are not 4K or 3D. 40" is not too expensive if you haggle over the price (only take as much cash to the store as you're willing to spend- for example, only take $1000 in cash if it's a TV priced at $1200). In Australia a 40" Samsung 1080 3D LED TV is about $700-800, if you go to the right store.
 
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Pioneer Kuro 60" is the dream.

This is the benchmark that everyone talks about according to some tech review sites and it has been equaled and slightly beaten. From cnet -

Panasonic TC-PZT60 series
Panasonic's ultimate plasma TV is the best-performing television we've ever tested. Both it and the less-expensive VT60 have finally surpassed the overall performance of the Pioneer Kuro, a legendary and long-extinct television that held the "best ever" mantle since 2008. And the ZT60 is just a bit better than the VT60, by virtue of its better performance in bright rooms. And that's it. Turn down the lights, and the two Panasonics at the top of this list are virtually indistinguishable.
 

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I was planning to buy a new tv sometime this year, my 32" Panasonic isn't really cutting it for me anymore. My plan was to upgrade to a Panasonic plasma, but it seems those will be off the market before I planned to upgrade. Samsung still makes plasmas but a lot of reviews say they have high levels of input lag, which is bad for gaming obviously. So that leaves me considering LED. I know there are some people here who are very knowledgable about A/V stuff, just curious what some of your favorite brands are. Or should I wait til 4k is realistically priced?

There are some great sites around that have catalogues of input lag times for various model tv's. I would provide the link but i am a dunce on my ipad :)
Just incase you have your heart set on LED, another quote from cnet -

Best LED LCD picture of the year so far
Sony KDL-55W900A
Maybe you have something against plasma. Maybe you're a gamer who wants the lowest input lag available. Or maybe you just love the idea of Quantum Dots. For any of these reasons or another, the Sony KDL-55W900A is a great alternative. It boasts slightly better black levels and color, and thus overall picture quality, than the Samsung F8000 below. It can also overcome even brighter rooms than the Samsung F8500 plasma. Best of all, a massive drop from its original asking price has made it oh-so-much more recommendable. The main downside now is that it's only available in a 55-inch size.

Good luck in your search!

I bought a Panasonic plasma vt model despite the company pulling out of production. Legendary set. I took my 360 into the shop and played some Gears of War (a game I know well both visually and with timing ie. for detecting input lag. GOW is mostly dark colours. Deep blacks are the benchmark for overall picture quality). I highly suggest you do the same or similar and bring a console or movie with you as previously mentioned.
 

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I have mostly owned Sony Bravia LCD's but, last spring we bought a Sharp Aquos Quattron 3D LED. I half to say when this thing is calibrated it has the most amazing vibrant color I have ever seen in a tv. Bluray movies are just jaw dropping gorgeous on this thing.
 

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Why does joe8 always come in and repeat the same things I say, just with more words? :oh_no:

What a waste of finger energy.
 

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Plasma input lag is another misconception from 2002. It's not 240hz, but that shit looks goofy anyways.
If you really want a Plasma get a last gen Panasonic, not a Samsung.

4K wont be reasonably priced this year. It wont be reasonably supported either. The porn market is just now getting to 4K, so that usually sets the trend for major media. heh

LED is still mostly the same as LCD with different light source.



LED/LCD
-Less power
-faster refresh rate
-Terrible contrast and blacks
-best for well lit rooms and sports

Plasma
-Great Quality
-Eats more Power
-Great Blacks
-Best for movies
 

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I don't even have a real dvd player its a ps2.
so since nothing has s video in anymore would it look worse than normal if converted to go in a hdmi port?
or buying a 50 dvd player is worth it more than the same for a converter and being able to pretend I'll want to play a ps2 game again?
 

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I'm not 100% sure what you're asking, but you can get bluray players these days for close to 50 bucks. If a convertor exists for S-video to HDMI, I can't imagine that looking very good.
 

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thanks I thought the converter would stink, I remember just using a switcher with composite and having it blow so converting s to hdmi probably wouldn't be worth it. especially when you seem to agree that you can get a player for as much as a converter would be.

you know you're not going to be getting a s video input now, if you didn't before at least? so I'm not too bad as far as being a hijacker maybe?
 
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