A moratorium on the term "AES"

[FeelGood]

Yeah yeah - listen to the same guy that claimed that he doesn't mind freaked carts. FOAD.

Originally posted by dmhawkmoon:
<strong>Excuse my harshness here... But this is the stuidpest shit I've seen posted in a while. If Dion coined the term, THEN WHY DOES IT APPEAR ON 95% OF MY ENGLISH CARTS?

The black logo at the top reads:

NEO
Advanced Entertainment System
GEO

Why would we stop using it? Cause Dion made it up? No, SNK made it up. What is NGH, Neo Geo Homecart? That doesn't sound right because AES is supposed to refer to the SYSTEM, not the cartridge. Hell, my system plays MVS, calling it my NGH makes little sense.</strong><hr></blockquote>

 

[Neo Rasa]

Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
<strong>Yeah yeah - listen to the same guy that claimed that he doesn't mind freaked carts. FOAD.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

Weren't you selling PS2 burns in the selling forum several months ago?

 

[FeelGood]

Originally posted by Neo Rasa:
<strong>

Weren't you selling PS2 burns in the selling forum several months ago? </strong><hr></blockquote>

absolutely not. They were just to be dumped in with the system.

several months ago being 1 year. The price $250, for a modded system. Extra for a PS2 gameshark.

Boots were not charged.

So, Neo Rasa, you can take your foot out of your mouth now.

 

[Neon_Sonic]

How about "$$$"?

 

[FeelGood]

Originally posted by Neon_Sonic:
<strong>How about "$$$"?</strong><hr></blockquote>

how about "Rare" and "Mint"

 

[NickD]

Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
<strong>

absolutely not. They were just to be dumped in with the system.

several months ago being 1 year. The price $250, for a modded system. Extra for a PS2 gameshark.

Boots were not charged.

So, Neo Rasa, you can take your foot out of your mouth now.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sorry to spam but what chip did you used? Because I'm looking all over the net and there's like 1 chip who can play import Jap PS 2 games and all the others are playing burnt. I want to be able to buy some japanese games.

 

[FeelGood]

It was the Neo 2.5 I think. I had to burn my games to play them on it.

 

[chimpmeister]

Originally posted by dmhawkmoon:
<strong>Well I'm done on this topic. Last thing I'll say is that SNK called it the Neo-Geo Advanced Entertainment System.

Now, maybe you'll say that it's not advanced anymore, so we shouldn't call it that... Well SNK means: "New Japan Project". If you think that we shouldn't call it an AES because it has no meaning anymore, then we also shouldn't call them SNK.

Anyway, "advanced" is a relative term, that is, it implies a comparision. In this case, it's being compared with other systems at the time of release, in which case it is quite advanced.

I don't have as much of a problem with what you were trying to say, SonGohan, as with the original few posters. To say that AES was coined by Dion is totally crazy. All you have to do is look at your system or read the glossary to figure that out.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You missed an important point. Neo Geo means New World.

At the time it came out, for me and many here, it was. A perfect arcade console, for the home.

Anyway, it was never meant to be called AES. It is, in the end, a Neo Geo. Period. AES never was a part of its name, and shouldn't be now. If you'd been around when the duo was in their most active period, you'd understand. <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />

 

[Kid Aphex]

Originally posted by Daisuke Jigen:
<strong>*Sigh*

I don't expect any of you to understand. It's all you've ever known.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

 

[FeelGood]

Originally posted by chimpmeister:
<strong>

You missed an important point. Neo Geo means New World.

At the time it came out, for me and many here, it was. A perfect arcade console, for the home.

Anyway, it was never meant to be called AES. It is, in the end, a Neo Geo. Period. AES never was a part of its name, and shouldn't be now. If you'd been around when the duo was in their most active period, you'd understand. <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Don't both with this DMHawkmoon guy. His ass cheeks have been stamped by Dion red hot NGFUSA brand. I mean, come on, he introduced himself to the boards as a NGF customer. It's not McCarthyism. The guy brought it on himself when he said that.

Anyhow, Jigen, you're right - a lot of people just won't know better because as they came intot he Neo Geo, the word AES was already widespread.

Oh well. I remember the old days. I'm a homecart collecter. I don't collect AES carts.

 

[Dolphin]

I know Dolphinlord remembers too.<hr></blockquote>

You're damn right, I certainly do remember when Dion was swinging his weight about on the various Neo-Geo forums/mailing lists of the day and succeeded in packing the term "AES" down our throats with a rusty tamping iron. Strangely, the term has stuck around, flourished and spread like a particularly virulent disease. Hell, even Japan-based sellers like "Yamatoku" are now using the term with reckless abandon on eBay. As much as I'd like to see it killed off, don't count on it going away any time soon, if ever. Once a meme is released, you can't very well contain it. You can only hope that it'll burn itself out eventually. The main reason I want to see it gone, is because I view it in the same light that I view converted carts and other invasive home-brewn nonsense (system mods excepted); it isn't canonical.

I can, to an extent, see how some of the newer people in this scene may view a venture to curb the use of the term AES as a quixotic action. However, I'm sure there are a whole lot of people who were treated like shit by the NGF "duo" in the old days who would like to see "AES" deep-sixed. Count me in with the latter. I'd be perfectly okay with activating the forum's word filter to screen out the term AES.

 

[FeetJerky]

Jigen is right though. I took a look at the spine of my Baseball Stars Pro cart and it says... "NGH-002". So why not call it the NGH system? Or simply the home cart system.

 

[Loopz]

Here's my two cents...

When I bought my first Neo back in 1992, the word/phrase "AES" did NOT fuckin' exist. EVER.
Years went by, I got out of Neo when the PS/Saturn appeared, yada yada. I got back in around late 1999, then started haunting this board in the summer of 2000. I read the term AES when perusing threads on this board, and in an effort to 'go with the flow' and try to relate to people here, used it since it seemed like part of the vernacular.

After reading more here though and gaining a better understanding of the trials and tribulations of the Neo online scene, I'm definitely willing to never utter the term 'AES' ever again. Fuck Dion and the poison he's tried to inject into our hobby. If he's the root cause for that little piece of slang, consider it GONE.

 

[TheBigBB]

Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
<strong>

Don't both with this DMHawkmoon guy. His ass cheeks have been stamped by Dion red hot NGFUSA brand. I mean, come on, he introduced himself to the boards as a NGF customer. It's not McCarthyism. The guy brought it on himself when he said that.

Anyhow, Jigen, you're right - a lot of people just won't know better because as they came intot he Neo Geo, the word AES was already widespread.

Oh well. I remember the old days. I'm a homecart collecter. I don't collect AES carts.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Shame on you for throwing in flame bait. I won't take it. Anyone who knows me knows what I was trying to do and knows that I mean well and am an honest person.

 

[TheBigBB]

This is such crap. I didn't think I would have to post again, but I guess some people can't listen to reason.

On all my english home carts except Thrash Rally, it says "Advanced Entertainment System" on the logo. On my system itself it says the same thing on the top. All that Dion did was use an acronym for that. He made the observation that SNK was calling it the Advanced Entertainment System, and instead of typing it out every time he wanted to call it that, he used the acro. Well, assuming you people are correct that he was the one who made it a widespread acronym.

In the end, though, SNK meant it to be called the Advanced Entertainment System. Why else would it appear on every english Neo-Geo logo? I don't see how it's a bad term just because Dion used it a lot. He also says "Neo-Geo" a lot. He says a lot of things a lot.

AND regardless of history, it's caught on to the point that you'd be an ass not to use the acronym when selling on ebay or something like that. It does not imply NGF to anyone. It's not a big deal. Get over it!

 

[Neo Rasa]

Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
<strong>So, Neo Rasa, you can take your foot out of your mouth now.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sorry I forgot, they were thrown in as an incentive to buy the thing, that's so much better.

You missed an important point. Neo Geo means New World.

By the logic a lot of the other people in this thread are using though, since it's not "new" anymore we can't call it that.

I understand that there are some good reasons to stop calling it AES on this board so that the buying populace can think they're helping to kill NGF and boost the overall morale and profit of the users of this site's sister <a href="http://www.neostore.com" target="_blank">www.neostore.com</a> but most the ones posted here are Beyond Thunderdome in terms of logic. Of course I disagreed with Jigen on something which obviously means I'm a newbie to the Neo so my posts are invalid.

Edit: I'm stupid and put a hyphen between "neo" and "store." Shame on me for confusing it with the spelling of neo-geo.com, they're completely different.

[ October 06, 2002: Message edited by: Neo Rasa ]</p>

 

[Viewpoint]

Let me ask you a serious question guys.

Do you really want Dion *Who I know is reading this thread. Hiya Bitch! *, to smile at night knowing that a word he stole is bothering you so much?

I don't give a shit if Dion tried to shove it down our throats.

I didn't care then and I don't care now. It's only a fucking word and it only holds weight if you seriously belive Dion's words are true.

Dion:
Quit being such a fucking pussy ass bitch who only posts on the DHP and defend your steriod pumping here. I know you're reading this dickcheese but, once again BonusKun is PRA in that Dion will never post.

PRA that's another homoword Dion loved to use also along the same lines of

<Dion>Billkwando, You can't handle the truth!

So now that we have this cleared up, Let's focus shall we?

AES = Word Dion stole.

NGH = Another Word for AES.

Neo*Geo = System we all love.

Dion = Penis Pumper who reads the forums and never posts here anymore. Fucking pussy..

The word AES only effects you if you let it. <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" /> <img src="graemlins/makeface.gif" border="0" alt="[Make Face]" /> <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" />

[ October 06, 2002: Message edited by: BonusKun ]</p>

 

[pyrokilla]

Originally posted by BonusKun:
<strong>Let me ask you a serious question guys.

Do you really want Dion *Who I know is reading this thread. Hiya Bitch! *, to smile at night knowing that a word he stole is bothering you so much?

I don't give a shit if Dion tried to shove it down our throats.

I didn't care then and I don't care now. It's only a fucking word and it only holds weight if you seriously belive Dion's words are true.

Dion:
Quit being such a fucking pussy ass bitch who only posts on the DHP and defend your steriod pumping here. I know you're reading this dickcheese but, once again BonusKun is PRA in that Dion will never post.

PRA that's another homoword Dion loved to use also along the same lines of

<Dion>Billkwando, You can't handle the truth!

So now that we have this cleared up, Let's focus shall we?

AES = Word Dion stole.

NGH = Another Word for AES.

Neo*Geo = System we all love.

Dion = Penis Pumper who reads the forums and never posts here anymore. Fucking pussy..

The word AES only effects you if you let it. <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" /> <img src="graemlins/makeface.gif" border="0" alt="[Make Face]" /> <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" />

[ October 06, 2002: Message edited by: BonusKun ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Wow, I think he is right for once

 

[Dolphin]

The word AES only effects you if you let it.<hr></blockquote>

I see it as being more akin to a festering boil on the ass of this scene, and it's high time someone lanced it.

 

[MarrymeMai]

Originally posted by Daisuke Jigen:
<strong>*Sigh* I don't expect any of you to understand. It's all you've ever known.</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> Tell us the NGF story again, Grandpa!