2 for 2, Capcom can suck my A$$!

[Metal Slug]

OK, two big capcom releases on PS2 this week in the UK!

Capcom Vs SNK,
Devil May Cry,
Now I was pissed off enough about CvS having big frigging borders, and looking a little shocking compared with CvS1 on DC.

But Devil May Cry as well?????

This isn't a last minute decision, to release this game, nor is it one that Capcom dont really care about!
Its possibly their biggest pre-xmas release, with a big POS awareness campaign, posters everywhere, etc, and what do we get?
A shoddy PAL version, with big assed borders!

Its not like they havent had the abitity to do PAL full-screen on PS2 almost since launch!
They are just being Lazy twats!

 

[Taiso]

You're right, Slug.

That's some weak f*ckin' sauce from Capcom right there.

I'm not a consumer in the European market, but I definitely think Capcom can do better.

 

[Caris Nautilus]

What do you mean by borders? Are you trying to play an NTSC game in PAL? Or is it the PAL version? Sure glad I don't have PAL.

PAL = Pretty Awful and Lame

[ December 08, 2001: Message edited by: Drift King EX ]

 

[elbarto]

The real pisser about CvS2 on PS2 PAL isn't the just huge borders, but the slower speed too! <IMG SRC="smilies/mad.gif" border="0">

Oh well, thats why I bought the import DC version <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Haven't tried DMC yet, really busy at work today...

 

[Metal Slug]

Taiso.
Its shocking buddy!
You guys in the US dont know how lucky you are with Video Games!

You get 60hz standard, no borders, twice as many releases as us!
Shit you guys even get consoles we dont get!

You should see Devil may cry, and Cap Vs SNK 2, on my PS2 they look like bloody widescreen!

Why companies couldn't follow Segas lead with the DC and give a full screen 60hz option!
Its a joke! They dont give a F**K!

I'm really pissed!
I can forgive CvsS2 cos it just came out of the blue, and nobody expected it, so you kind of think well, we're lucky to get it!
But DMC!
I was really looking forward to getting that!

Bugger em!
I'm gonna play it for a couple of days and then swap it for GTA3 or something!


DK-Ex.

No, its worse than that!
If companies dont adjust the screen size and position, when they "PAL" a game, we get big 2inch borders top and bottom <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0">
Now, its not difficult to do away with those, but some campanies cant be bothered!

ElBarto.

DMC is the same <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0">
Slower and bordered!
Capcom need to stop shitting us Euro gamers about!
Its not like we dont pay more for the bloody games!

[ December 08, 2001: Message edited by: Metal Slug ]

 

[elbarto]

Originally posted by Drift King EX:
<STRONG>What do you mean by borders? Are you trying to play an NTSC game in PAL? Or is it the PAL version? Sure glad I don't have PAL.

PAL = Pretty Awful and Lame

[ December 08, 2001: Message edited by: Drift King EX ]</STRONG>

NTSC has 525 lines, PAL has 625. So if a game isn't optimised to take advantage of this when brought over from the US, It'll have big borders. Because the screen update is faster on NTSC (60Hz not 50Hz), PAL games normally run slower too <IMG SRC="smilies/mad.gif" border="0">

(The above might contain slight errors, as its all from memory)

Virtually all decent DC PAL games had a 50/60Hz option, so why can't PS2 coders get their heads round it? <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

 

[Caris Nautilus]

Originally posted by Metal Slug:
<STRONG>Taiso.
Its shocking buddy!
You guys in the US dont know how lucky you are with Video Games!

You get 60hz standard, no borders, twice as many releases as us!
Shit you guys even get consoles we dont get!

You should see Devil may cry, and Cap Vs SNK 2, on my PS2 they look like bloody widescreen!

Why companies couldn't follow Segas lead with the DC and give a full screen 60hz option!
Its a joke! They dont give a F**K!

I'm really pissed!
I can forgive CvsS2 cos it just came out of the blue, and nobody expected it, so you kind of think well, we're lucky to get it!
But DMC!
I was really looking forward to getting that!

Bugger em!
I'm gonna play it for a couple of days and then swap it for GTA3 or something!


DK-Ex.

No, its worse than that!
If companies dont adjust the screen size and position, when they "PAL" a game, we get big 2inch borders top and bottom <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0">
Now, its not difficult to do away with those, but some campanies cant be bothered!

ElBarto.

DMC is the same <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0">
Slower and bordered!
Capcom need to stop shitting us Euro gamers about!
Its not like we dont pay more for the bloody games!

[ December 08, 2001: Message edited by: Metal Slug ]</STRONG>

Hmmm a PS2 scart cable would solve that problem <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

To bad PS2 doesnt have true VGA also, thatd be another solution.

[ December 08, 2001: Message edited by: Drift King EX ]

 

[elbarto]

Originally posted by Drift King EX:
[QB]Hmmm a PS2 scart cable would solve that problem <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">
QB]

A SCART lead would only solve the problem if you were playing import games and not getting full screen. Its down to the UK optimising coders to re-write for the extra lines for the PAL version.

Oh, and PAL PS2's run on SCART as standard. Not RGB scart, but better than RF <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0">

 

[Metal Slug]

Originally posted by Drift King EX:
<STRONG>Hmmm a PS2 scart cable would solve that problem <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

To bad PS2 doesnt have true VGA also, thatd be another solution.

[ December 08, 2001: Message edited by: Drift King EX ]</STRONG>

SCART cable makes no odds to it mate!

 

[Caris Nautilus]

Originally posted by Metal Slug:
<STRONG>SCART cable makes no odds to it mate!</STRONG>

I'm not talking about a Scart TV, I forgot thats what people over there use, I mean Arcade RGB monitors, using a scart cable to connect to those. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

 

[Fran]

but wheres the problem exactly?

pal versions are crap anyway for the art and everything,letterboxed or not


buy jap consoles
buy jap software

you say americans are lucky

i say we are lucky cos we have tellies that support rgb


buy a sony television

then import all the way


i have ALWAYS done that since i was 12


never owned a pal game,never will

same goes for us games,final fantasy aside

i buy the jap copies

then in the case of bio hazard or FF

i play with a friend the us version for the story or the stuff i couldnt understand


WHY should i want to wait 6 months to have horrible art,slowdown,a letterboxed screen and censored crap?

BUY J A P A N E S E


its true,slug...

its damn true

[ December 08, 2001: Message edited by: Fran ]

 

[NeoDragoN]

Its Nothing to Do With Scart Its The Way The Game Has Been Converted Thats Why I Never Buy UK Machines...

 

[Metal Slug]

Originally posted by Fran:
<STRONG>but wheres the problem exactly?

pal versions are crap anyway for the art and everything,letterboxed or not


buy jap consoles
buy jap software

you say americans are lucky

i say we are lucky cos we have tellies that support rgb


buy a sony television

then import all the way


i have ALWAYS done that since i was 12


never owned a pal game,never will

same goes for us games,final fantasy aside

i buy the jap copies

then in the case of bio hazard or FF

i play with a friend the us version for the story or the stuff i couldnt understand


WHY should i want to wait 6 months to have horrible art,slowdown,a letterboxed screen and censored crap?

BUY J A P A N E S E


its true,slug...

its damn true

[ December 08, 2001: Message edited by: Fran ]</STRONG>

Yeah, I know you're right!
And I know I'm suffering second rate games, in some cases through sheer stupid loyalty!
*sigh*

My problem is, I feel such a duty to the European VG industry, even though it always comes a poor third after Japan and the States, That I really want to buy PAL versions! I just want them to be optimised PAL versions!

The developers need to be shown that there is a thriving market for video games in Europe, that deserves their FULL support, and best efforts!

I do buy import stuff, but normally only if there is no European version.
I've got Jpn N64 games, CPS Board, NGPC games, DC stuff, A wonderswan, etc. US Nomad, Majesco Game Gear, SNES games, Arcade boards, etc, etc, etc.

But, the way I look at it is, if I buy as many decent pal games as I can, but only try to buy decent conversions, maybe these companies will get the message?

Although after 10 years of shitty non-optimised PAL versions, perhaps I'm barking up the wrong tree!

 

[NeoDragoN]

Thats Why Dc Was And Still is Sweet Most English Games had the option to Be played 60hz Full Screen Just Like Ther Jap And USA Counterparts...

 

[elbarto]

I hear ya Fran, virtually everything I buy is import...

I do agree with Metal Slug in a way though, it would be better if the European arms of these companies realised that gamers do care about this kind of stuff.

The old Sony rep that used to come into our store pretty much summed up their attitude to it. We kept asking him when the UK PS2 titles would start to be fullscreen optimised..
His response?
"Why do you keep going on about this? It doesn't really make any difference to the game, and no-one else cares about it anyway.." <IMG SRC="smilies/ohno.gif" border="0">

Idiots

 

[Fran]

slug

what you say is very noble


but....yknow....get real,man


its like fighting a war you simply cant win


european people ( the majority anyway ) are such idiots they deserve to be treated like shit in the first place


give em a shenmue and they will ignore it

give em a fifa 2008 and tomb raider 9 and they're happy

they deserve letterboxed ports,crappy art,6 months delays and so on


hope i wasnt particularly harsh

but i believe in all i said

just my two pennies