19th Inning Blown Call: MUST SEE. Pirates vs. Braves
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I don't really follow baseball.
Great video though, dang... 19 innings to go out like that --are they sure Frank Drebin wasn't the umpire?
Sorry, I had to do it.
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The ump was probably fighting to stay awake.
The Pirates have had a miracle season so far, so I can see why every win counts for them.
Non-post-season, managers should be able to call extremely long games a tie if they both agree to it. 19-inning games aren't exciting, they're rather lame.
The Pirates have had a miracle season so far, so I can see why every win counts for them.
Non-post-season, managers should be able to call extremely long games a tie if they both agree to it. 19-inning games aren't exciting, they're rather lame.
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Same for 1-inning games.
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I thought the same thing when I watched that video: That's one umpire that said "god, I just wanna go home." Even the umpire is bored to death at baseball games.
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On topic, but a general question here. Why is it so bad to have a draw? - I mean I know it's a tradition for American Sports, but is a tie so bad?
I mean in this game for example, both teams were even, so it would make sense that the game would be a draw.
Is the concept of a draw that offensive?
Also, (not on topic, but related) what's the deal with there being leagues in American sports with no relegation - some of the best games in soccerball leagues are not just the league winning deciding games, but also the desperate struggle of a relegation battle - especially when the teams that are playing are in the relegation zone.
I mean in this game for example, both teams were even, so it would make sense that the game would be a draw.
Is the concept of a draw that offensive?
Also, (not on topic, but related) what's the deal with there being leagues in American sports with no relegation - some of the best games in soccerball leagues are not just the league winning deciding games, but also the desperate struggle of a relegation battle - especially when the teams that are playing are in the relegation zone.
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As a casual Pirates fan, this particular loss hurts, but is nowhere near as big as deal as the trade deadline. If we don't get a decent bat by Monday, we have no hope in the postseason let alone getting there. But if we have to trade a key prospect to get help for a playoffs run for a team that needs a year or 2 to develop anyway, then it'll be the return of the horrendous front-office management responsible for the legendary losing streak. Right now I'm just waiting for Sunday and keeping my fingers crossed.
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Yeah, saw the clip on sports center. That call is just stupid. I hope the umpire gets fined or better yet loses his job.
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The human element of umpiring has been something that the "grand old game" has been hanging on to with Bud Selig's insistence. The umpires are not at fault for being unable to judge the game 100% as there will always be flaws. The commissioner and MLB are at fault for not moving with technology and evolving appropriately by incorporating instant replay.
The game is old and boring. The league is top-heavy and supporting at least six insolvent small market franchises. The Women's World Cup and NFL preseason games are getting better TV ratings than the World Series. Despite being the most affordable professional league to watch, attendance is falling precipitously with several demographics completely ignoring the sport. Unless drastic steps are taken, the game will continue to whittle away and force more cash-strapped franchises to field AAA squads for 10K people crowds.
The game is old and boring. The league is top-heavy and supporting at least six insolvent small market franchises. The Women's World Cup and NFL preseason games are getting better TV ratings than the World Series. Despite being the most affordable professional league to watch, attendance is falling precipitously with several demographics completely ignoring the sport. Unless drastic steps are taken, the game will continue to whittle away and force more cash-strapped franchises to field AAA squads for 10K people crowds.
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Funny, but I was randomly thinking the same thing a few days ago. American leagues are filled with owners that consistently (for ten years or more) produce non-competitive teams, to the point where I wonder if the best minor league baseball team couldn't beat, say, the Seattle Mariners in a game.
The concept of fighting for the right to play in the best-of-the-best league is something, as far as I know, American leagues have never had, and it's likely rooted in the greedy team owners.I mean, if some of the team owners (like, say, the Oakland Raiders' owner) had to explain to their fans why their team had been relegated, they'd lose respect from many. Subsequently, their suck-ass team would not make as much money with TV deals and merchandise, and the owner would be pissed that the team he doesn't manage properly doesn't earn him tonnes of money.--It's clear that leagues decide that "whoever has money gets money" rather than encouraging a good competition in sports.
Personally, I love baseball, but I agree that it can be a boring game. The American League made the right step (a long time ago) with the "Designated Hitter" rule because they understood that no decent pitcher would spend any worthwhile time in the batting cage. But the game still isn't ~awesomely~ exciting. What to do?Abasuto said:
SUPER BASEBALL 2020 rules. Yeah. Just like the start of the Arena Football League, effectively make baseball with rules redesigned for making an exciting game. Have giant nets going along the foul lines past first-and-third bases so that the ball bounces back into the field, creating more hits. Legalise fighting the same way that hockey does--with a "penalty box"-sort of thing that would last for a set amount of innings and also cut the team's fielded players down to eight, making the field more-open for hits.
Power armours and androids coming soon, but I seriously would like a more-exciting baseball league to watch.
Instant replay will ruin baseball.
I was pissed at the inclusion of HR IR.
But going any further, would kill the sport.
I admit, sometimes I would like IR - but in the end, it will hurt.
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For this I turn to an old quote from college football, first used by the coach of Navy in the 50s, but more recently by Nebraska's Tom Osbome after he lost the 1984 Orange Bowl in the final minute on a decision to go for the win rather than the tie (when college games were able to tie, that rule changed in '96):
"A tie is like kissing your sister."
I'd love to see relegation, but I don't think the pro programs would do it as the system is very different creating a number of issues:
Legally speaking, the leagues are organized around the owners --they were created by the owners with the President of the leagues serving to the pleasure of the owners --only in rare cases, when the owners are against a single owner, would you find the league taking any negative action against a team. Any rule changes even vaguely like relegation would need to be voted on by team owners who would never put team profits on the line like that. While there are teams that generally do worse than others, even the worst team will sometimes have a surprise turn around. The incentive to make a team better is getting people to go to games and the generation of profits, otherwise a team will be sold or move.
The minor league (lower division) teams in something like baseball are farm teams that are often partially owned by the major league teams in their own "farm system". Also there is a massive difference in facilities between even the best minor league baseball teams and the pro teams.
American football wouldn't work because there just isn't a minor league --there have been attempts, but the closest comparison is College Football, which is university level.
About the only one that could theoretically pull it off would be basketball, but again --there's just too much of a financial gap and vested interest by the pro clubs.
The money difference between American pro sports and even the top of non-American sports, English Premiere League, is stunning. The last I checked, American College football has a bigger financial footprint than all other international leagues other then Premiere League.
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Is the concept of kissing your sister really that offensive for Americans?
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That's another major problem with Major League Baseball. I mean, with something like a hundred and sixty games per team, why should I ever look forward to a game?--It's cool that they started having inter-league play once-in-a-while, because then cross-town rivals who never play each other give the fans something they'll only see once or twice in a season.
I don't think that a sixteen-game NFL schedule would be that good for MLB, but at-least if there were, say, only fifty games a season, then "big matchups" could garner more attendance, more television viewers, and really get the old-style "Monday Night Football" build-up where people around the country just gather to see an awesome game.