161 Boot Embracing

[gargoyle7]

So I go way back in the NG community, used to run a review website, have been away from the scene a long time, older, wiser..............but still fucking love the Neo

So when I left the community was rabid anti boot.

But I return, and everyone is embracing the 161, how do people feel about this?

A boots a boot

Lee (garg7)

 

[gargoyle7]

Ps Apollo69 foreva! LOL

 

[Syn]

There are still some strong anti boot members. As the forum has cycled through members over the years, more are open to using them. The hardliners are tired of wasting their breath on the ignorant.

 

[famicommander]

Buy what you want, play what you want. Just don't try to pass off any boots as real and sell them.

I don't have a multicart but I don't give a shit if anyone else wants one.

 

[Neo Alec]

 

[Heinz]

Everyone should be talking about the NEOSD not that garbage 161 cart.

 

[Syn]

I prefer the 120 personally.

 

[alby13]

Why are you so worried about what other people play?

 

[Rot]

I recall a time when all Boot Talk was stamped on... Conversions would usually result in your ban...

Then over the years... the scene slowly changed...

The retro scene became vastly over-inflated... which led to a more "accepted" view of everdrives and such other devices....

I look at the NG prices on eBay and think possibly it's gone a tad TOO far towards retardville... when a once common $15usd AES Cart is going for at least $100usd... then you know it's going to shit...

As for the forum... I aint saying the change is good or bad... it is what it is...

We either adapt with a significant number of our userbase... or face a mass downturn in footfall...

xROTx

PS. It really didn't help when the Neostore stocks DavidG's products... but all in all... Shawn is still the man... and I'd back him up to my little Azn Hilt...

 

[coreykun667]

I'm okay with owning boots as long as they work like the real thing so long as I'm aware that they're a bootleg when I buy them. That being said, I think it's absolutely absurd that even some bootlegs are becoming shit awful expensive, depending on what game they are.

 

[Morden]

The retro scene became vastly over-inflated... which led to a more "accepted" view of everdrives and such other devices....

Honestly, I don't know how to feel about that. On one hand, I'm glad I can just buy an Everdrive, but on the other, I know there are people who just get one, download a whole romset and will proceed to brag about how they've been *insert console name here* owners and fans since their early childhood, despite the fact that they're 13 in 2017. One thing is sure, though. While I used my older flash devices for homebrew, I use Everdrive for convenience. Having all of my games on a single cartridge means I don't ever have to dig anything up.

I look at the NG prices on eBay and think possibly it's gone a tad TOO far towards retardville... when a once common $15usd AES Cart is going for at least $100usd... then you know it's going to shit...

That's the argument I was about to use, and it applies to all platforms. Soon you'll see loose MVS cartridges glued shut in acrylic boxes, going for $1000. But you know it's good stuff, because it has been graded by a bunch of random dudes calling themselves The Authority something or other. I remember getting Judgement Silversword for the WonderSwan, and back then it was $100, which I thought was a lot. Saturn's Taromaru back then went for $300 and Silvergun for about $100. Now?

Silversword - $400 to $800
Taromaru - $800 to $1100
Silvergun - $200 to $800

Of course there are still people who will try to sell above even the highest price. Right now there's a Silvergun for sale for about $1300, seller claims it's sealed, but the post stamp sized photos show an open game.

I can still pay $100 ~ $200 for a single arcade game, more often than not a game + mobo, but I'm not surprised people are investing in NeoSD and other multi-kits with the prices of some, say, CPS2 games. Why spend a mountain of cash on one single title, when you can have them all, and that includes buying A + B boards and the kit. CPS3 games are overpriced as well. Everything on eBay is priced wrong. Some years back I could have bought VF4, Evo and FT for $10 a piece. Not on eBay mind you. The current price for the first VF4 is about $70. I won't even mention other titles, which cost as much as a net DIMM.

 

[oliverclaude]

Video games evolved from nerd niche to hipster mass product and ultimately conquered the top of the food chain in the entertainment business. Only porn is equal, and guess what, they love to embrace teh booty, too. At least 161 times in a take.

 

[theMot]

Ps Apollo69 foreva! LOL

Oman 4 Shell forever!

 

[Morden]

Video games evolved from nerd niche to hipster mass product and ultimately conquered the top of the food chain in the entertainment business.

... And when it comes to "retro", things like RacketBoy and Metal Jesus certified hidden gem lists aren't exactly helping. Everything is a hidden gem all of a sudden. MegaDrive hidden gem? Ristar! N64 hidden gem? Jet Force Gemini! If it's not a Mario or a Sonic game, it's a hidden gem, and thus, the price on eBay must be adjusted accordingly. Neo Geo hidden gems? Waku Waku 7 or Pulstar!

"Wow! Thanks, Metal Jesus! I didn't know I was sitting on a cache of precious hidden gems! They must be worth a fortune! Off to sell them on eBay I go, and soon it will be all about bitches, booze and blow!"

 

[Heinz]

soon it will be all about bitches, booze and blow!"

Fuck the games seriously that is far more fun.

 

[Electric Grave]

I like the multis, nothing beats the real thing, but I have both and in all honesty, the multis have a lot of the riff raff I rather not spend the money on...like futsal...fuck that game, it's not worth what it commands. I don't think of it as an alternative but an aid. You already have the hardware to play it and it's pretty inexpensive, why the hell not?

Incidentally, level up with a NeoSD, that's the way to go as far as multis are concerned, but it's a lot more money, you get what you pay for though.

 

[Mishran]

Personally own a number of MVS carts which are mostly genuine, a few bootlegs, but also a 161. The 161 stays in the cab most of the time since its easier than constantly swapping carts when I want to play something different. It's mainly a convenience factor for me. Plus it helps to lower the stress on the connector and pins from insertion and removal of carts.

 

[wingzrow]

Wasn't there some news over how these boots use a higher voltage that the Neo Geo can handle, or am I not remembering that right?

 

[madman]

Wasn't there some news over how these boots use a higher voltage that the Neo Geo can handle, or am I not remembering that right?

They use 1.21 gigawatts.

 

[GadgetUK]

Wasn't there some news over how these boots use a higher voltage that the Neo Geo can handle, or am I not remembering that right?

Yes - not really news as many people already knew connecting 3.3v logic to 5v logic is not a good idea for the reasons they did outline in their article. What they did do though is review a lot of the everdrives - I was surprised that some of the everdrives do the same thing but use resistors on bus lines too. The MVS multicarts could die due to the clamping problem, or kill your MVS at some point, but tbh I don't buy into the level of risk that has been suggested in that article. It's very likely a real risk but its hard to quantify how it may or may not kill a system earlier than if it was only used with original carts. The bigger problem with those multicarts in my mind is the quality of many of the games are crap, and the build quality is crap. The Neo SD is the way forward. The one positive I would say is these cheap multicarts are a good way to get into the scene - to work out which games you want to buy etc. I've bought tonnes of games that I already had on the 161 in 1, either to fix a sound or graphical issue, or just because that's a game I want an original for.

 

[Tanooki]

Kind of like how bone cancer spreads everywhere what started at taking advantage of Nintendo collectardism started to spread like wildfire. When the NES started to nauseate people then went to SNES, then it did, from there it kind of jumped the host like some Resident Evil like t-cell virus and fucked over other stuff and not just the host -- TG16/PCE, Sega system by system and so on and once most consoles got retarded and people still more so dismissing handhelds are non-game bite sized bs went to the next best thing to fuck up, arcade and pinball stuff. Anything gaming based with enough age and memories around it, shit hit the fan. I recall years back people shunning Nintendo kits too and also repros(fake name for warez there) and then greatly growing more gone fine with their warez and kits. Shit spreads like a disease so it's not surprise people here over time got more chill with it other than the hardcore.

 

[gameofyou]

I prefer the 120 personally.

Same here. For the price, the 120-in-1 is a great deal. But the NeoSD is the best device currently available, imo.

 

[FBX]

Yes - not really news as many people already knew connecting 3.3v logic to 5v logic is not a good idea for the reasons they did outline in their article. What they did do though is review a lot of the everdrives - I was surprised that some of the everdrives do the same thing but use resistors on bus lines too. The MVS multicarts could die due to the clamping problem, or kill your MVS at some point, but tbh I don't buy into the level of risk that has been suggested in that article. It's very likely a real risk but its hard to quantify how it may or may not kill a system earlier than if it was only used with original carts. The bigger problem with those multicarts in my mind is the quality of many of the games are crap, and the build quality is crap. The Neo SD is the way forward. The one positive I would say is these cheap multicarts are a good way to get into the scene - to work out which games you want to buy etc. I've bought tonnes of games that I already had on the 161 in 1, either to fix a sound or graphical issue, or just because that's a game I want an original for.

I try to tell people those cheap knockoff multicarts aren't properly translating the voltage, and as such, they are causing stress to the system that doesn't need to be there. But of course, people get defensive and counter that they've been using them for a couple years without issue. As Rene pointed out in his article, it's a lot like a chain smoker claiming there's no risk because he's been smoking for 10 years without issue. The NeoSD is the safe way to go if you gotta have a multi-game cart solution.

 

[Syn]

Poor analogy as we all know people who've died from smoking.

I know no one whose system has died from multi use. It's obviously possible technically speaking but these multis have been in use long enough to have seen issues in older systems.

People here would be documenting the shit out of it or perhaps will be if it occurs.

 

[oliverclaude]

Poor analogy as we all know people who've died from smoking.

I know no one whose system has died from multi use. It's obviously possible technically speaking but these multis have been in use long enough to have seen issues in older systems.

People here would be documenting the shit out of it or perhaps will be if it occurs.

Yes, this morbid guy is obviously after some attention whoring and already had to edit his article. Most people use 110V converters on their 100V japanese consoles, feeding them additional 10Vs for years now. So what? Technically speaking, emulation will never be the same as the "original". So what again?