THE UNIVERSE BIOS on a AES System?

Neo Mike · Nov 24, 2003

Ok, the universe bios sounds alot better than the debug bios that I currently have.

Specifically the following 2 options:
Want unlimited lives or energy... Then cheat in games using the built in cheat engine which currently holds over 1300 cheats!!!

Jukebox player where one can listen to game music without sound FX from gameplay over the top. Nice option if you want to create MP3's.

Would it be possible to install one of these on an AES system? I know the hardware should be very similar so i don't see why not?

Decepticon · Nov 24, 2003

The answer I keep getting is no but I wonder if you can burn the rom to an AES sized chip and it work?

To my knowledge there is no difference in the home system and MVS tech wise so I think it should work if someone is willing to test it.

Amano Jacu · Nov 24, 2003

Razoola has said many times the unibios has no AES support, so I don't think it will work if you install it in the AES. However, he might release an AES version in the future. Still, it wouldn't be as easy to install in the AES as it is in the MVS due that you would need to solder it.

My suggestion is that you get a MVS board and then install the current unibios

Neo Mike · Nov 24, 2003

Amano Jacu said:
Still, it wouldn't be as easy to install in the AES as it is in the MVS due that you would need to solder it.

My suggestion is that you get a MVS board and then install the current unibios

The debug bios needs to be soldered as well to install that in the AES... that can't be the only issue.

Amano Jacu · Nov 24, 2003

Neo Mike said:
The debug bios needs to be soldered as well to install that in the AES... that can't be the only issue.

I already know that any bios installed in an AES needs to be soldered, just because of the reason the original one is not socketed. I was just pointing out that fact. I agree this is not the only issue, though.

Decepticon · Nov 24, 2003

Amano Jacu said:
Razoola has said many times the unibios has no AES support, so I don't think it will work if you install it in the AES. However, he might release an AES version in the future. Still, it wouldn't be as easy to install in the AES as it is in the MVS due that you would need to solder it.

My suggestion is that you get a MVS board and then install the current unibios

As far as support it would work because the hardware is identical.

If there is any differences can someone let me know what they are?

The only problem I would see is upgrading the uni-bios to the newer revisions but how hard would it be to solder on a socket to replace it?

Razoola · Nov 24, 2003

I have not tried the UNIVERSE BIOS myself on an AES. Because of this fact plus the AES not having backup RAM is the reason why the UNIVERSE BIOS is not officially supported. Your welcome to try running it though, I doubt it will cause any damage but if it does work you will probably have to select the region every time it powers on.

I will be looking to add AES support for the UNIVERSE BIOS in the future though but will need to borrow the following from someone to be able to do so;

- European AES (must be model with socketed BIOS)
- Joypad
- 1 AES game
- Memory card

Of course I'll return it all once I'm done.

Raz

Decepticon · Nov 24, 2003

Razoola said:
I have not tried the UNIVERSE BIOS myself on an AES. Because of this fact plus the AES not having backup RAM is the reason why the UNIVERSE BIOS is not officially supported. Your welcome to try running it though, I doubt it will cause any damage but if it does work you will probably have to select the region every time it powers on.

I will be looking to add AES support for the UNIVERSE BIOS in the future though but will need to borrow the following from someone to be able to do so;

- European AES (must be model with socketed BIOS)
- Joypad
- 1 AES game
- Memory card

Of course I'll return it all once I'm done.

Raz

Which model has a socketed BIOS? I have never opened one before but I will volunteer my system as a guniea pig as long as it's free

Same that its a US system though.

Anyone want to give this a try?

soopafamicom · Nov 24, 2003

Razoola said:
I have not tried the UNIVERSE BIOS myself on an AES. Because of this fact plus the AES not having backup RAM is the reason why the UNIVERSE BIOS is not officially supported. Your welcome to try running it though, I doubt it will cause any damage but if it does work you will probably have to select the region every time it powers on.

I will be looking to add AES support for the UNIVERSE BIOS in the future though but will need to borrow the following from someone to be able to do so;

- European AES (must be model with socketed BIOS)
- Joypad
- 1 AES game
- Memory card

Of course I'll return it all once I'm done.

Raz

This sint an offer of a loan of a machine but I would like to know where I can get a socket for the BIOS chips.I have my debug waiting for me to actually make as tart on fitting it but I would rather take the time to desolder the original BIOS chip,fit a socket and then I could just swap them over if I ever needed to.Its mainly cos I can't stand having to break that chip leg when fitting the debug.
So where can I get one from,and how much?

Razoola · Nov 25, 2003

Ok, HPMAN has been kind enough to test a UNIVERSE BIOS v1.2 on an AES. Basically as it is now all you will get is the work ram test, thats basically the words 'WORK RAM TEST' in big white letters on a black background. The reason for this is the AES does not have HARD DIPS so it acts like they are all on.

I can get around this situation very easily but we may then have another problem with a 'calander error'. Anyone know if the AES has the calander hardware built in?

Finally just a question about ethics... If the UNIVERSE BIOS can run on an AES fully it will mean in effect that an AES can be put into a CAB and run like a normal AES. It could also be almost put in an arcade enviroment and used to make money. I know people dont like talk about methods of getting AES carts running on the MVS so I just wonder about attitude towards AES fully running like MVS (which is in effect what will happen if it works right).

Raz

Neo Mike · Nov 25, 2003

We could already emulate a MVS with the debug bios so that should NOT be an issue.

Let me know when the unibios is runnin on a aes fully, and I'll paypal u funds immediately for 3 chips!

Decepticon · Nov 25, 2003

Razoola said:
Ok, HPMAN has been kind enough to test a UNIVERSE BIOS v1.2 on an AES. Basically as it is now all you will get is the work ram test, thats basically the words 'WORK RAM TEST' in big white letters on a black background. The reason for this is the AES does not have HARD DIPS so it acts like they are all on.

I can get around this situation very easily but we may then have another problem with a 'calander error'. Anyone know if the AES has the calander hardware built in?

Finally just a question about ethics... If the UNIVERSE BIOS can run on an AES fully it will mean in effect that an AES can be put into a CAB and run like a normal AES. It could also be almost put in an arcade enviroment and used to make money. I know people dont like talk about methods of getting AES carts running on the MVS so I just wonder about attitude towards AES fully running like MVS (which is in effect what will happen if it works right).

Raz

Sounds good Raz, many thanks to HPMAN for the use of his system.

It sounds like this will require a different image all together to be burned onto the chip due to the fact that you will need to bypass the hard dips as well as the calendar more than likely.

As far as the ethics question I think NeoMike hit the nail on the head. At this point we are all just wanting to get the superior BIOS on our home systems that most of us already love in cabs.

kernow · Nov 25, 2003

I'm pretty sure the NGH system doesn't have that NEC calendar chip like the MVS.

I could be wrong

Decepticon · Nov 25, 2003

kernow said:
I'm pretty sure the NGH system doesn't have that NEC calendar chip like the MVS.

I could be wrong

I didn't see anything in mine that I would consider a calendar chip. That's MVS only as homecarts don't need the date and time for bookeeping information.

HPMAN · Nov 25, 2003

Razoola said:
Finally just a question about ethics... If the UNIVERSE BIOS can run on an AES fully it will mean in effect that an AES can be put into a CAB and run like a normal AES. It could also be almost put in an arcade enviroment and used to make money. I know people dont like talk about methods of getting AES carts running on the MVS so I just wonder about attitude towards AES fully running like MVS (which is in effect what will happen if it works right).

Well, basically homecarts are not licensed for arcade use, so a lawyer may say it's illegal...
However by the time AES carts comes out, the MVS is most of the time already cheaper of at the same price, so...

Decepticon · Nov 25, 2003

HPMAN said:
Well, basically homecarts are not licensed for arcade use, so a lawyer may say it's illegal...
However by the time AES carts comes out, the MVS is most of the time already cheaper of at the same price, so...

But that would be based upon the user to face penalty. Like it was mentioned before the Debug BIOS already enables MVS mode and I'm pretty sure noone here uses it for commercial use.

Neo Mike · Nov 25, 2003

Yep, shouldnt be an issue in that regard. AES already has the option to go MVS with the debug, and there hasnt been an issue made about that yet.

Verythrax · Nov 26, 2003

Neo Mike said:
Yep, shouldnt be an issue in that regard. AES already has the option to go MVS with the debug, and there hasnt been an issue made about that yet.

I agree with NeoMike. The problem could be true if the home version was cheaper than the arcade version, but that's not the truth.

And as stated, it's already possible, largely used (the debug bios) and SNKP simply don't care. Even now when the AES is almost a retrogaming piece.

And I doubt that SNKP will sue her own user base, and the guilty is really of the user, not the developer.

I think SNKP is happy with all of this. Is this kind of little things that keep the system alive. Oportunity to sue people they have a lot from the debug bios to phantom adapters.

Amano Jacu · Nov 26, 2003

I guess it wouldn't be that hard to adapt the unibios code to work in the AES, and I'm sure many AES owners would be interested, although most of them won't be able to installit themselves due to the soldering issue.

About the legal crap, just don't worry, as it's been said using an AES on a cab for profit would be more expensive and troublesome that just using a regular MVS board with MVS carts. Actually, I think SNKP should be more worried about people using the current unibios to be able to use MVS carts in MVS boards with AES options, I think it hurts the sale of the new AES titles. MVS games are not designed to be used at home, that's what the AES is for.

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