odd puzzle de pon cart

I got a puzzle de pon today which has what looks like an original label, no warning sticker.. V1 is a chip with the number 044 (art of fighting), C4+6 (I think) are 057 (World Heroes 2), 1 V and 2 C roms are NEC chips, proms (not eproms), and M1 and P1 are eproms labeled "PB3".
any idea what this is?
it works flawless as PDP.

snk took a bunch of world heros carts and made them into puzzle de pon's. they probably had a big excess, and needed some de pons fast.

This was done many other times by snk.

I'd say it's a boot, any pics ?

<a href="http://arakon.dyndns.org/pdp" target="_blank">PdP pics</a>

there's soldering at the bottom which seems like chips were removed. it seems like it was possibly a converted cart by SNK, going by the left over original chips.

Yep, its a converted cart by snk. They did that alot when they need a bunch of carts fast.

So it is and isnt an original puzzle de pon mvs cart

hmm.. but why are there chips for THREE different games? PDP, AOF, and WH2.
also, can someone list the chips used in WH2, would be interesting to try and turn this into a switchable cart, i.e. by adding S/M roms for WH and switching between the chips to use the existing original chips on it.

neo-geo 2:
They did that alot when they need a bunch of carts fast.

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Well, they did this a lot and we never see ccarts like this ?

Still looks boot to me.
C1 & C2 should be 8megs
V2 should be V1
SNK use color codes or stickers, no hand writing on chips.
Also, no reason tu use PCBs from 2 different games.

Bottom of the boards pics ?

HPMAN:

neo-geo 2:
They did that alot when they need a bunch of carts fast.

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Well, they did this a lot and we never see ccarts like this ?

Still looks boot to me.
C1 & C2 should be 8megs
V2 should be V1
SNK use color codes or stickers, no hand writing on chips.
Also, no reason tu use PCBs from 2 different games.

Bottom of the boards pics ?

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I have at least 5 or 6 of these like it.

It has two or more legit snk chips on it for puzzle de pon. That means that they would have to sacrifice an original cart to make 1 boot? That just doesnt add up.

Brian

HPMAN:

neo-geo 2:
They did that alot when they need a bunch of carts fast.

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Well, they did this a lot and we never see ccarts like this ?

Still looks boot to me.
C1 & C2 should be 8megs
V2 should be V1
SNK use color codes or stickers, no hand writing on chips.
Also, no reason tu use PCBs from 2 different games.

Bottom of the boards pics ?

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Looks like they used a WH2 CHA board and a AOF PROG board.
It's original because it has original PDP chips inside.
SNK did hand writing on chips, I have a FF2 home cart with a M1 or S1 (I can't remember which one was) Eprom with hand writing on chip.

I noticed a glitch.. during the demo, it explains the ball types, and just before it explains the "allow ball", the entire area where text would be is filled with round, yellow glitches.. looks like single color versions of the balls or something, then it jumps to the normal text.

does that happen for anyone else, and does anyone know what rom is at fault for it so I could possibly replace it with a fixed one?

My pdp cart gets goofy sometimes as well. I haven't tried cleaning it, but now you've intruigued me. I'll check it out and see what kind of chips are inside.

I guess it's well known SNK released loosy converted carts with graphic glitches <img src="http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/icons/icon25.gif" alt=" - " />

Arakon:
hmm.. but why are there chips for THREE different games? PDP, AOF, and WH2.
also, can someone list the chips used in WH2, would be interesting to try and turn this into a switchable cart, i.e. by adding S/M roms for WH and switching between the chips to use the existing original chips on it.

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Just checked my carts and the roms match the audited mame sets as far as I can see.

hero2_p1.rom 2097152 65a891d9 [correct name: 057-p1.bin]
hero2_s1.rom 131072 fcaeb3a4 [correct name: 057-s1.bin]
hero2_m1.rom 131072 8fa3bc77 [correct name: 057-m1.bin]
hero2_v1.rom 2097152 8877e301 [correct name: 057-v1.bin]
hero2_v2.rom 2097152 c1317ff4 [correct name: 057-v2.bin]
hero2_c1.rom 2097152 21c6bb91 [correct name: 057-c1.bin]
hero2_c2.rom 2097152 a3999925 [correct name: 057-c2.bin]
hero2_c3.rom 2097152 b725a219 [correct name: 057-c3.bin]
hero2_c4.rom 2097152 8d96425e [correct name: 057-c4.bin]
hero2_c5.rom 2097152 b20354af [correct name: 057-c5.bin]
hero2_c6.rom 2097152 b13d1de3 [correct name: 057-c6.bin]


pdpon_p1.rom 524288 2b61415b [correct name: 202-p1.bin]
pdpon_s1.rom 65536 4a421612 [correct name: 202-s1.bin]
pdpon_m1.rom 131072 9c0291ea [correct name: 202-m1.bin]
pdpon_v1.rom 524288 debeb8fb [correct name: 202-v1.bin]
pdpon_c1.rom 1048576 cc0095ef [correct name: 202-c1.bin]
pdpon_c2.rom 1048576 42371307 [correct name: 202-c2.bin]


aof_p1.rom 524288 ca9f7a6d [correct name: 044-p1.bin]
aof_s1.rom 131072 89903f39 [correct name: 044-s1.bin]
aof_m1.rom 131072 981345f8 [correct name: 044-m1.bin]
aof_v2.rom 2097152 3ec632ea [correct name: 044-v2.bin]
aof_v4.rom 2097152 4b0f8e23 [correct name: 044-v4.bin]
aof_c1.rom 2097152 ddab98a7 [correct name: 044-c1.bin]
aof_c2.rom 2097152 d8ccd575 [correct name: 044-c2.bin]
aof_c3.rom 2097152 403e898a [correct name: 044-c3.bin]
aof_c4.rom 2097152 6235fbaa [correct name: 044-c4.bin]

Hope that helps.

<small>[ September 09, 2003, 08:57 AM: Message edited by: ttooddddyy ]</small>

I just opened my pdp cart and the results are as follows:

V1:tc534200cp
202-v1
r210
p1:same


Also did a crc check and got

Rom Region: 2b61415b...OK

<small>[ September 11, 2003, 12:26 PM: Message edited by: Magnaflux ]</small>