The definitive SVC MVS cart report.

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Let me begin by saying that this post is nothing more than factual observations, followed by a personal opinion. As I was not present at the production of ANY cartridge mentioned in this post, so a definitive answer can ultimately be nothing more than speculation. However, I hope to provide enough pictoral evidence, as well as observations, so you all can reach your own opinions.

Secondly, I do not own any of the games mentioned. Nor do I have any for sale, or have any stake in them being sold. Where to find and purchase them is left entirely up to you. This is not an endorsement of anyone who might be selling these games, merely observations of what I have in front of me. The games used were “loaned” to me; as such, I have no reason to give anything but the honest facts and a truthful opinion when reporting here.

For comparison and observation, I have here:
1 x legit SVC JAMMA PCB (full kit)
1 x legit Metal Slug 5 MVS cart (full kit)
1 x SVC MVS cart (full kit)

The first pic is a pic of the 3 kits in a stack.
As you can see, naturally the SVC JAMMA kit is oversized. The Slug5 and SVC MVS kits have equal dimensions.

http://www.atomis-wave.com/svc/3boxes.jpg

The boxes for all kits seem to be of the same grade and quality. More importantly, with the exception of the label applied, the Slug 5 and SVC kit boxes appear to be absolutely identical.

As for the labels … they all seem to use the same type of blue ink and sticker stock. The SVC PCB and SVC JAMMA labels appear identical with the exception of a serial number on the cart version box (which of course matches the cart). The printing resolution appears identical, and they are all the same to the touch.

http://www.atomis-wave.com/svc/2svc2.jpg
http://www.atomis-wave.com/svc/svcms5box.jpg

Upon opening the 2 kits, here’s what I see :

http://www.atomis-wave.com/svc/svcms5box2.jpg

The slug 5 kit appears to be missing its blue bubble bag.
When comparing the carts, they both have identical black plastic casings and lack the gold warning sticker. The stickers on the carts are identical to those on the outside of the kit boxes, except the Slug 5 appears to be “pinched” (it was probably opened before).

http://www.atomis-wave.com/svc/svcms5cart.jpg
http://www.atomis-wave.com/svc/svcms5cart2.jpg
http://www.atomis-wave.com/svc/svcms5cart3.jpg

Time to open the carts.
Let’s start with Slug 5.
Here is a pic of the first board upon opening the Slug5 MVS cart:

http://www.atomis-wave.com/svc/ms51.jpg

In the lower left corner you can see the SNK Playmore logo along with the manufacture date “2003.10.1”. Additionally, you can faintly make out the SNK logo between the pins on the far left side of the connector, as well as the Playmore logo next to the fat pin on the right side (harder to make out).
Here is a pic of the second board inside the Slug 5 cart:

http://www.atomis-wave.com/svc/ms52.jpg

This board has the vast majority of ROM chips. There is also the SNK Playmore logo and a manufacture date of “2003.7.24”. The chips are marked with the NGH number of the game (268), and there is no SNK or playmore logo on the connector like on the first board.
Naturally, all solder points are “machine made” and appear like little cones – very precise.

Now, the comparison to the SVC MVS cart. Here is the first board, upon opening the cart:

http://www.atomis-wave.com/svc/svccartpcb1.jpg

The big square chips appear identical to those used in the Slug 5. The SNK Playmore logo is in the same location, except the manufacturing date is different (2003.9.2). The ghostlike SNK and Playmore logos on the cart connector are present, and the ROMchips are printed with 269 in the exact same style as the Slug5 cart.
Of course, there is one glaring distinction – a little daughterboard mounted onto one of the chips! Here is a closer pic:

**COMING SOON**

You can barely make it out, but this little piece has SNK Playmore printed on it like everything else! I cant tell if the soldering job is done by a machine, but it appears precise.
Here is a pic of the secondboard:

http://www.atomis-wave.com/svc/svccartpcb2.jpg

Exact same logo, ROM placement, chip layout and manufacturing date – it seems that the board itself is identical to that used in the Slug 4, only the chips are different. SNK must only manufacture the first of the two boards for new game releases.
The ghostly SNK and Playmore logos on the edge connector are lacking on the second board, like the Slug 5.

In all cases, the ROM chips have a solder job identical to the Slug 5 – machine for sure, perfect.
Check it out : first board, then second board :

http://www.atomis-wave.com/svc/svccartpcb1back2.jpg
http://www.atomis-wave.com/svc/svccartpcb2back.jpg

Finally, a comparison to the SVC PCB.
While these share the same “square chips”, obviously the ROMs used are different as the roms on the PCB are MUCH smaller. Nevertheless, the labels appear identical, with the exception of the serial number, as mentioned earlier.

http://www.atomis-wave.com/svc/svcpcb2.jpg

In lieu of this evidence, I have concluded that there is no way this is anything but a legitimate SNK Playmore product. Where it came from, why it was withheld from the public – I don’t know. I’m not going to speculate here, and this is all just my opinion.

This took a really long time and I have to go. I hope I haven’t forgotten anything.
I hope most of you find this post informative, and if any of you come into one of these carts ,please feel free to post your first hand opinions in this thread.


Stay tuned for how the game actually PLAYS and details and pics on the art packs included.
 
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Some of these pics are still being uploaded, please be patient.
 
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The most likely reason why this was not released is because of Shawn and Vihn's rediculus price wars. SnkP saw no profit in it, so production was stopped.
 
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Hmmmmm......

Now this is interesting. And the date seems about correct for approx production. But why would MS5 be 268 and SvC be 269? Isn't that backwards as far as actual release?

I no longer know what to think :confused:
 
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Looks like it's time to purchase one of these kits :)

Thanks Geddon for the informative walk-tru
 
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Kenny Boy said:
Looks like it's time to purchase one of these kits :)

Thanks Geddon for the informative walk-tru
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Didn't you have the "authentic" kit? ;)
 
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I am very confused now.... :blow_top:

so are they legit or not?

i thought none was released... now it looks authentic
 
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And Japhei has them ALL! It's like this ultimate twist of fate...

I this is so friggin ironic that it's funny.

I see these going up on eBay real soon, with no Buy it Now option.

It's as if God himself looked down onto the Neo scene and said "Nope, not enough drama." And then he made this happen.

I mean my good lord, who would have though Legit SvC MVS Cart Kits....EXCLUSIVELY FROM JAPHEI!!

"As the Neo world turns!"
 
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One more thing I thought I'd ask, Geddon, did you do a comparison of the print quality of the art sets?
 
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Haha, damnit, that means that if I ever go MVS, I'm going to have to buy my carts from this fucker. DAMNIT!
 
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nothingxs said:
Haha, damnit, that means that if I ever go MVS, I'm going to have to buy my carts from this fucker. DAMNIT!
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You could always wait for someone else to do it, and then buy from them.

Also as a warning I don't trust Japhei well enough to start putting all of his SvC carts MVS kits on ebay, so I bet he will still be including boots but use the same pictures he did with the other carts.

So be weery!
 
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JHendrix said:
And Japhei has them ALL! It's like this ultimate twist of fate...

I'd cry if this wasn't so friggin ironic that it's funny.

I see these going up on eBay real soon, with no Buy it Now option.

It's as if God himself looked down onto the Neo scene and said "Nope, not enough drama." And then he made this happen.

I mean my good lord, who would have though Legit SvC MVS Cart Kits....EXCLUSIVELY FROM JAPHEI!!

"As the Neo world turns!"
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sorta what i was going to state...has nothing to do with the observation...
I question why the analyzation needed to be done given the source of where the product is coming from...
We need OFFICIAL verification... Gedoon could be very well right considering he finally revealed that those Proto's NGF displayed at the CGE were on a VCR months after it was already revealed in a heated thread long ago :D
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Magnaflux said:
Its all bullshit until I hear Playmore say otherwise.
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Sounds to me like shawn just got left out of the loop...I'm thinking these are probably a SNKNEOGEOHONGKONG production, hence the english labels and stuff.
 
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BIG BEAR said:
sorta what i was going to state...has nothing to do with the observation...
I question why the analyzation needed to be done given the source of where the product is coming from...
We need OFFICIAL verification... Gedoon could be very well right considering he finally revealed that those Proto's NGF displayed at the CGE were on a VCR months after it was already revealed in a heated thread long ago :D
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These are the fruits from the "Japhei Mighty Oak Tree".
 
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c.t.h said:
I'm thinking these are probably a SNKNEOGEOHONGKONG
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LOL - Thats my favorite branch of the Playmore Corporation. Anyway i'd like to hear frrom someone higher up that these are real. And if they are? No way in hell im purchasing one from Japhei.
 
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Lagduf said:
LOL - Thats my favorite branch of the Playmore Corporation. Anyway i'd like to hear frrom someone higher up that these are real. And if they are? No way in hell im purchasing one from Japhei.
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http://crazearcade.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=155

Preorder now, your money is safe. I'm not paying for the games till they've arrived and I've checked them all out.
 
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They probably are legit...

my guess is that they got printed a small test run then decided to stay PCB only

Such items do get leaked into the public occasionaly. Even if they never see an official release. Casey does have some friends in the coinop biz.

But who cares. All the real MVS only must haves already bought the boots.....

EVEN if they were made by SNK, they still were not released by SNK.

This gives them a legal status similar to boots. SNK could probably storm jahei's warehouse and take it all. They ARE stolen proprety. Just because SNK made them, Japhei does not have the right to sell them.
 
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C.T.H. you could be very liable if this turns out to be stolen stock. If it's not released by SNK, then they don't recieve the proper monies on them. This is the same as selling boots.
 
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Part 2 (final) of my report.

Neither Metal Slug 5, nor SVC Chaos, work fully on my neo with a phantom-1. I do NOT have a MVS unit, but I've heard they both work fine on a normal MVS (obviously). They both boot but reset constantly using my phantom-1. Their identical behavior is likely due to the similarities in the boardsets, but I don't know.

As for the ART that comes with the game.

Here is a pic of the Spanish movesheet and DIP instructions:
http://www.atomis-wave.com/svc/art2.jpg

The cart also comes with movesheets and instructions in English and Japanese. The print and quality is consistent with each other, and appears to be absolutely genuine SNK print.
Here are the 3 languages together:

http://www.atomis-wave.com/svc/art1.jpg

Finally, the game comes with 6 moves stickers. 2 for each language (Spanish, English, Japanese). The move stickers are identical in size, stock and print quality to those that came with the Slug 5 MVS cart. Here is a pic of them together :

http://www.atomis-wave.com/svc/art3.jpg

All that, along with the blue bubble wrap (identical to other kits I have, like a pocket) basically makes this kit complete.

Again, I am not selling these kits, and will not act as an intermediary. I would prefer to keep my view on this game 100% neutral; I have no ulterior motives here :) Thanks for looking everyone, I hope this all is helpful.
 
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