Guile,Nash,Cammy vs The IKARI WARRIORS.

[GunstarHeroblack]

Man, The Team Of IKARI Has been around for sooo long and have been a favorite of the KOF series, representing Annually.

Here we are with Capcom Vs Snk, Capcom vs SnkPRO, CvsS2 and SVC chaos- 4 Roll CALLS, still no single (playable)IKARI warrior Present - absolute Fuckery.----Talk about No RESPECT.

Guile,Nash,Cammy and M.Bison - VS

Ralf , Clark, Leona and Heidern.

Maybe team Ikari would be the favorite ..... We all know Guile is the man, but is his skills enough to hold his own against IKARI?...- any thoughts?

Guile and Nash would dispatch of the Ikari team fairly quickly and easily I think. M. Bison and Cammy might have more trouble, but as a foursome Bison, Guile, Nash, and Cammy are fearsome. The Ikari team never was a favorite of mine but Guile and Cammy were. Guile has the skills and might, Bison is one tough dude, Nash is a Guile clone, so he probably could hold his own too. Cammy is the question mark of the four, I don't know if she could beat any of the Ikari members.

[Reality Check]

What? No Whip? And Relento should been added too.

Anyway, I can Guile, Nash, Cammy and M. Bison would win.

[GENOCIDE CUTTER '94]

Heidern alone could smack up those chumps! Yeah, Guile is shit hot, and Cammy is a serious example of the capcom cheese machine, but against Ikari? Uh uh sailor, not a chance, it might be close, but Ikari would rule supreme. (Don't even get me started on Ralf and Clark).

As far as foursomes go, Heidern, Ralf Clark, Leona would punch their lights out, no really, Nash, Guile, Cammy and either rolento or Bisen just wouldn't be able to cope. look at it this way, Clark, is arguable ther weakest (when fighting against the capcom militia). Now if he's the weakest, WTF that that say about the strongest?

[breal]

Just give me Heidern and Clark to beat the brakes off that team, with the only struggle coming from Guile.

[SPINMASTER X]

Just one member of the Ikari team could smash all of them together, pick one member, any member.

[Mushiki]

Ikari Warriors would definately win.

[Walt Whitman]

Guile and Charlie definately kick Ralf and Clarks ass.

Leona on the other hand would kill Cammy in a heart beat.

Orochi Leona would rip their hearts out, eat the, piss in the hole she just dug in their chest and then beat the shit out of them.

[Spike Spiegel]

Guile owns everyone for free. Clark, however, is a hell of a bad mother, and would be a great fight. But Guile's got speed, power, and some good holds, too. Grabbing someone out of the air and landing a backbreaker? One of the few characters in a 2D fighter to pull off the suplex so nice looking? Hell yeah, Guile's a pimp, and he knows it.

And gameplay wise, Guile would handcuff, four fierce, and bitch slap everyone in his path. Eat his shit.

Spike

[neo*geo]

Nash,Guile,Cammy would kill any one cause they are americans
and bristish and they are cool

[Sky_R]

While I wouldn't say theres a definant win on either side. I will however say both teams have there great variations and I find this an incredible match up. The more beautiful aspect of it is we can always dream. :P

[snesaes]

If Nash didn't suck so bad, that would help things. Either way, Ikari would win. Guile and Nash only have 2 moves anyways, so it's not like it wouldnt be too hard to think of a plan to beat them.

[TerryBogard]

Well, let's see...I'd take the Capcom side on this one.

Bison is certainly no pushover, and the most powerful of the 4 Capcom fighters in this battle.
He'd dispatch the Ikari Team, no problem.

Charlie is certainly strong, stronger than Guile. He'd be able to take out any one of the Ikari Team members.

Guile would take out Leona, PERHAPS Ralf and Clark. I view Heidern as the strongest member of that team, and I dunno if Guile is strong enough to take out Heidern.

Now, I love Cammy, but unfortunately, she's not strong enough to take out any of the Ikari Team members. Actually, she could take out Whip, but since Whip ain't in this match, that doesn't really count.

Here's how I'd tier all the characters:

1: Bison
2: Charlie, Heidern
3: Guile, Ralf, Clark
4: Leona
5: Cammy

[snesaes]

Originally posted by TerryBogard
Well, let's see...I'd take the Capcom side on this one.

Bison is certainly no pushover, and the most powerful of the 4 Capcom fighters in this battle.
He'd dispatch the Ikari Team, no problem.

Charlie is certainly strong, stronger than Guile. He'd be able to take out any one of the Ikari Team members.

Guile would take out Leona, PERHAPS Ralf and Clark. I view Heidern as the strongest member of that team, and I dunno if Guile is strong enough to take out Heidern.

Now, I love Cammy, but unfortunately, she's not strong enough to take out any of the Ikari Team members. Actually, she could take out Whip, but since Whip ain't in this match, that doesn't really count.

Here's how I'd tier all the characters:

1: Bison
2: Charlie, Heidern
3: Guile, Ralf, Clark
4: Leona
5: Cammy

I can't beleive you rated Leona so far down the list. She's got Orochi Blood and Heidern assassination skills, so her and Heidern could easily take out Bison. Ralf could EASILY take out Charlie. Nobody on the Ikari team would even bother fighting Cammy, as she possesses little to no threat. Guile could take out Clark, and possibly Ralf, but would be overpowered by Leona and Heidern.

Here's how I would tier the characters:

1. Leona (Orochi)
2. Heidern, Bison
3. Ralf, Guile
4 Clark, Charlie
5. Cammy

[TerryBogard]

You obviously have no clue as to SF canon and storyline powers.

Charlie is way more powerful than Guile. Hell, he was the one who taught Guile the Sonic Boom and Flash Kick.

And Bison is more powerful than Charlie. Bison is at or above Ryu's and Sagat's level, and none of the Ikaris could touch Ryu or Sagat. Sorry.

Heidern is tough, but probably only on Charlie's level.
Guile could most likely take Ralf and Clark, only one on one, certainly not at the same time or back-to-back.

Leona is tough, I'll give her that, but she wouldn't beat Guile. She'd give him a hellacious fight certainly.

And we aren't talking about the Orochi blood here.
I know alot of you are biased towards the Ikaris, seeing as this is a Neo-Geo board, but you can't simply assume them to be more powerful than high-level Street Fighters.

[Crazy Horse]

IKARI WARRIORS would OWN their asses for free. *I mean Guile's in the freggin' Airforce, I'm sure he's seen a good deal of ground pounding... yeah right! Nash, okay maybe I'll give him some credit... and Cammy was MI6 from England, meaning she's really the only one I'd consider lethal. THE IKARI WARRIORS fought their way out of a Vietnam setting armed with only Sterling L2A3 SMGs, AK-47s, some grenades and commadeering tanks, and helicopters... The were thrust into the future and fought Aliens on their turf... then went on an OSP (On Site Procurement) mission mostly fighting "Bare Knuckles" against a heavily armed Terrorist organization to save the President's daughter. Leona might have come into the picture later, but she's Heidern's daughter and has the Orochi blood in her to boot, thus the entire IKARI TEAM has got waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more experience in war than the Capcom characters mentioned. Tell me now, what "Separate" series did GUILE, CAMMY or Nash ever appear in that gives them CRED?

MERCENARY X99

[SPINMASTER X]

Originally posted by TerryBogard
You obviously have no clue as to SF canon and storyline powers.

Charlie is way more powerful than Guile. Hell, he was the one who taught Guile the Sonic Boom and Flash Kick.

And Bison is more powerful than Charlie. Bison is at or above Ryu's and Sagat's level, and none of the Ikaris could touch Ryu or Sagat. Sorry.

Heidern is tough, but probably only on Charlie's level.
Guile could most likely take Ralf and Clark, only one on one, certainly not at the same time or back-to-back.

Leona is tough, I'll give her that, but she wouldn't beat Guile. She'd give him a hellacious fight certainly.

And we aren't talking about the Orochi blood here.
I know alot of you are biased towards the Ikaris, seeing as this is a Neo-Geo board, but you can't simply assume them to be more powerful than high-level Street Fighters.

Before I say anything I want you to know I don't have a bias towards Capcom or SNK(however galfordo swears i'm I capcom fanboy)

However TerryBogard I think you are putting the Cap people higher than they should be and taking away from the SNK characters. Like the Orochi blood thing, you can't just say "we aren't talking about Orochi blood here". Now matter what you do or say Orochi blood is a part of Leona and she when she goes Riot Of The Blood her strength is increased much much more and she would rip just about anything apart. All factors have to be taken into account, you can't just leave something out. Its unfair.

As far as Charlie, Yes he's probably a strong bastard but you forget how powerful Ralf is. Horse mounted vulcan punch? Galactica Phantom? No way in hell would Ralf get dominated(at least not by charlie, maybe bison). Who's the stronger of the two? Who knows?

Guile Taking out Ralf and Clark by himself, I think not. Maybe(a very strong maybe) Clark but most def not Ralf.

Realistically I'd say Leona and Bison would be the most powerful of the bunch. Its obvious.

I say this is what it would look like.

Bison, Leona
Heidern
Ralf/Charlie, Guile, Clark
Cammy


p.s. Just for fun you all realize that if you looked at it from a gameplay perspective that whole list would be thrown way out of wack with Guile and Clark at the very top

[TerryBogard]

I never said Guile could take out Ralf and Clark by himself. He could only beat one of them. If he took on Ralf and Clark together or back-to-back, he'd lose, big-time.

However, if it was Guile vs. Ralf or Guile vs. Clark, then Guile would probably win, but barely.

And Charlie...hell, if Charlie was still alive, he'd be higher than Ryu, storyline wise. He's dead, but back in the Alpha series, his power was equivalent to Ken in 3rd Strike. No joke. He's alot stronger than Guile.

Now, granted, Leona is strong, but I highly doubt as strong as Bison. Putting her up there is like saying Leona is as strong as Ryu, Sagat, Kyo, Terry, and Iori. And I just don't think that's the case.

If in RotB, she'd be close to their level, I'd think. Normal Leona, however, would prolly be enough to give Guile one hell of a fight.
It would be a damn close fight, but I think Guile could squeak it out. Actually, now that I think about, I need to modify my tiers.

1: Bison
2: Charlie, Heidern, O. Leona
3: Guile, Leona, Ralf, Clark
4: Cammy

That makes more sense.

[SPINMASTER X]

Originally posted by TerryBogard
I never said Guile could take out Ralf and Clark by himself. He could only beat one of them. If he took on Ralf and Clark together or back-to-back, he'd lose, big-time.

However, if it was Guile vs. Ralf or Guile vs. Clark, then Guile would probably win, but barely.

And Charlie...hell, if Charlie was still alive, he'd be higher than Ryu, storyline wise. He's dead, but back in the Alpha series, his power was equivalent to Ken in 3rd Strike. No joke. He's alot stronger than Guile.

Now, granted, Leona is strong, but I highly doubt as strong as Bison. Putting her up there is like saying Leona is as strong as Ryu, Sagat, Kyo, Terry, and Iori. And I just don't think that's the case.

If in RotB, she'd be close to their level, I'd think. Normal Leona, however, would prolly be enough to give Guile one hell of a fight.
It would be a damn close fight, but I think Guile could squeak it out. Actually, now that I think about, I need to modify my tiers.

1: Bison
2: Charlie, Heidern, O. Leona
3: Guile, Leona, Ralf, Clark
4: Cammy

That makes more sense.

I didn't say you said guile could take them out at the same time or back to back. I said out of the 2 of them clark would be maybe easier for him.

also you might wanna look at the canon storyline guide by Tiamat at gamefaqs. Charlie is not anything like Ryu. They actually have an official capcom character tier listing and charlie can't compare. Charlie may be one of your favorite characters but don't over do it. Clark is my favorite of the characters but just because he's my favorite i'm not gonna up him a bit more, i know where he stands.

Also since you wanna go with the storyline, you might wanna look more into the ROTB. If you remember in KOF97 Iori went ROTB and put OROCHI himself in the chokehold. thats saying alot seeing as Orochi is the reason Iori and leona are they way they are. No way in hell could guile or charlie fuck with ROTB. Akuma and Ryu are the only ones who could even mess with that cuz they have that killing intent. If guile and charlie aren't on Akuma and Ryu's level yet then how on earth could they mess with ROTB? ROTB puts leona waaaay above Guile and Charlie and basically most of the characters in the capcom and snk universe.

It seems like you are taking the Capcom storyline and comparing it to the SNK characters without looking at their storyline properly, which is unfair.

[snesaes]

Originally posted by SPINMASTER X
I didn't say you said guile could take them out at the same time or back to back. I said out of the 2 of them clark would be maybe easier for him.

also you might wanna look at the canon storyline guide by Tiamat at gamefaqs. Charlie is not anything like Ryu. They actually have an official capcom character tier listing and charlie can't compare. Charlie may be one of your favorite characters but don't over do it. Clark is my favorite of the characters but just because he's my favorite i'm not gonna up him a bit more, i know where he stands.

Also since you wanna go with the storyline, you might wanna look more into the ROTB. If you remember in KOF97 Iori went ROTB and put OROCHI himself in the chokehold. thats saying alot seeing as Orochi is the reason Iori and leona are they way they are. No way in hell could guile or charlie fuck with ROTB. Akuma and Ryu are the only ones who could even mess with that cuz they have that killing intent. If guile and charlie aren't on Akuma and Ryu's level yet then how on earth could they mess with ROTB? ROTB puts leona waaaay above Guile and Charlie and basically most of the characters in the capcom and snk universe.

It seems like you are taking the Capcom storyline and comparing it to the SNK characters without looking at their storyline properly, which is unfair.

All I have to say is I'm glad I got someone like Spinmaster who thinks the same way about Orochi Leona as I do. He's right about you not giving ROTB enough credit. Other than that, there's nothing else I can really say other than that Spinmaster just owned you. Not to mention the fact that you say you're going by "storyline" despite the fact that Charlie would be dead and unable to compete in this fight.

[GunstarHeroblack]

Originally posted by snesaes
despite the fact that Charlie would be dead and unable to compete in this fight.

lol......The Charlie dead thing ......you know what? these days after readin the New Street fighter Comic, and playin a few of the games Charlie/Nash has been in, he looks somewhat resurrected............I think when or IF someone makes a Proper decent KOF Comic book, someone should resurrect Jeff Bogard..........lol

[snesaes]

Originally posted by GunstarHeroblack
lol......The Charlie dead thing ......you know what? these days after readin the New Street fighter Comic, and playin a few of the games Charlie/Nash has been in, he looks somewhat resurrected............I think when or IF someone makes a Proper decent KOF Comic book, someone should resurrect Jeff Bogard..........lol

God that would be sweet. Jeff Bogard > Grimace. And nothing can kill the Grimace.

[Atro]

Don't get me started with Guile/Nash/Charlie bullshit !

We all know Heidern 2K1 and Ralf/Clark 98 would break their bones with a simple blink.

-> "Go to hell"

Winnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah !

*Heidern pose*

[TerryBogard]

Dude, Spin, I did get my info from Tiamat's guide.

And the fact of the matter is this, IF CHARLIE WAS STILL ALIVE, he'd be stronger than Ryu, most likely. Since he is dead, he can't very well advance up the tiers, can he? But according to those tiers, Charlie's last level of power was equal to Ken's in 3rd Strike. That is saying something.

And as far as the Orochi blood goes, I've always seen Leona as substanially weaker than Iori. Therefore, when she goes into RotB, she'd be stronger yes, but not as strong as Orochi Iori.
But I dunno, maybe I was wrong about that.

Guile or Charlie alone couldn't fuck with RotB, right.
But them together could prolly fend off Leona, just as Ralf and Clark together could.

[SPINMASTER X]

there's nothing else I can really say other than that Spinmaster just owned you.

Come on now snesaes, don't turn this into something hostile that isn't. Its just a regular debate. Temper's don't need to be flared. I'm not trying to "OWN" anybody in this discussion.

And the fact of the matter is this, IF CHARLIE WAS STILL ALIVE, he'd be stronger than Ryu, most likely. Since he is dead, he can't very well advance up the tiers, can he? But according to those tiers, Charlie's last level of power was equal to Ken's in 3rd Strike. That is saying something.

No Charlie probably wouldn't, not most likely. on the Tier list It shows Evil Ryu as a tier higher than Charlie, and evil ryu was around while charlie was alive. during SF3 Ryu is at his Evil Ryu level. So if anything he'd either be a tier lower or equal to ryu had he still been alive, not stronger. Sure Charlie is strong but he's no Akuma.