TV companies desperate to make consumers think they need new TVs.

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This article does a good job summarizing the state of the TV market after the boom times of the tube-to-flat panel shift. Of course, now that the shift is almost over, the bonanza has subsided and TV companies are trying desperate ploys to get you to waste money at the same rate.

Inoculate yourselves from the pitches aimed at the gullible and stupid (though I could see TVs with integrated Netflix streaming as being popular with older, less tech savvy buyers):

January 5, 2011
A Bonanza in TV Sales Fades Away
By SAM GROBART - NY TIMES

LAS VEGAS — By now, most Americans have taken the leap and tossed out their old boxy televisions in favor of sleek flat-panel displays.

Now manufacturers want to convince those people that their once-futuristic sets are already obsolete.

After a period of strong growth, sales of televisions are slowing. To counter this, TV makers are trying to persuade consumers to buy new sets by promoting new technologies. At this week’s Consumer Electronics Show, which opens Thursday, every TV maker will be crowing about things like 3-D and Internet connections — features that have not generated much excitement so far.

Unit sales of liquid-crystal and plasma displays were up 2.9 percent in 2010 from the previous year, according to figures from the market researcher DisplaySearch. That is tiny compared with the gains of more than 20 percent in each of the prior three years.

Those heady days of the last decade were the result of an unusual set of circumstances. The rise of flat-panel television technologies like plasma and LCD almost perfectly coincided with a government-mandated switchover to digital broadcasting and the availability of high-definition shows and movies — something these new televisions were all ready to display.

That sparked a mass migration of consumers from using the old cathode-ray tube television sets to the thinner and lighter plasma and liquid-crystal displays.

“Those were the golden years,” Paul Gagnon, director of North American TV research at DisplaySearch, said. “During that period, the whole pie grew. Technology inflated the size of the category.”

But now, most people who want a flat-screen TV already own one. Industry watchers and manufacturers estimate that nearly two-thirds of households in the United States have a flat-screen set.

“The laggards are stubborn,” Mr. Gagnon said. “They will not move as quickly as the rest of the market has.”

The industry’s response has been to promote 3-D and Internet capabilities. But these were also the buzzwords at last year’s show, indicating that after a period of consistent innovation and improvement — from higher resolutions to thinner displays — the TV market is maturing and stabilizing.

“In the next decade, the rate of change may not be the same,” said James Sanduski, Panasonic’s senior vice president for sales. “That said, it will still be significant.”

So far, 3-D has not prompted a rush to upgrade. John Revie, senior vice president for home entertainment at Samsung, said 3-D had been saddled with a perception that it stumbled out of the gate, even though its introduction compared favorably with other technological introductions.

“More than one million 3-D TVs were sold in 2010,” he said. “But LED, HD and Blu-ray each sold less than a million in their first year.”

That said, Mr. Revie acknowledged the perceived shortfall. “Frankly, Samsung was hoping to drive a bigger market.”

Some feel that 3-D’s appeal will remain limited. Riddhi Patel, director for television systems and retail services at iSuppli, a market researcher, said the sales pitch for 3-D was a complicated one.

“Consumers are aware of the hidden costs,” Ms. Patel said. “It’s not just the display, but now you need a 3-D Blu-ray player and 3-D media and additional glasses.”

She also questioned the payoff. “When everyone markets 3-D to you, they talk about ‘Avatar’ and the theatrical experience,” she said. “When you have a 42-inch TV or even a 50-inch TV, it’s not the same experience.”

Internet features are now common in new TV models. But recent missteps by technology companies like Google with its Google TV service, as well as the often confusing mosaic of streaming and download providers, has left the market looking a little muddled.

“Every manufacturer has their own way” of dealing with Internet video, Mr. Sanduski said. “There’s not one standard.”

One way manufacturers are trying to make these features friendlier is by using Apple’s iPhone model, allowing outside companies like Netflix to develop applications that work on their displays. On Wednesday, Panasonic and LG announced new Internet TV platforms that will open up the interfaces of their sets to outside developers.

One big issue for TV makers is price. From 2007 to 2010, the average price of an LCD TV dropped 36.3 percent, according to DisplaySearch. Plasma TV prices had an even more precipitous decline, dropping 51.6 percent in the same period.

But those price drops have slowed recently, as manufacturers have gotten a handle on what had been an oversupply of product and have started to charge more for the new features.

“It’s kind of like having the auto industry trying to raise the prices of cars by 20 percent by adding all these options to every vehicle,” Mr. Gagnon said.

In another bright spot for TV makers, consumers seem willing to upgrade their sets more frequently than they did in the tube era, when it was not uncommon for them to use the same sets for a decade or more. “People held on to their TV like an appliance,” Mr. Sanduski said.

Analysts and TV makers now assume a five-to-seven-year replacement cycle for televisions. For the manufacturers, that may feel like an awfully long time. But it is only slightly longer than the cycle for PCs, which are replaced every three to four years. “There’s a little bit of fatigue,” Mr. Sanduski said. “Many consumers are saying, ‘I just bought a TV. I’m going to wait.’ ”
 

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Personally, I don't care for 3D at all, especially televisions.

LED-LCD has provided the best PQ I've ever seen, that's enough for me.
 

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Good article. Thanks for the link, man.
 

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Thanks for that Bobak. By the way I'm playin Street Fighter on my big boxy ass TV from Highschool and I couldn't be happier :glee:
 

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I don't care for 3D, don't need my tv to have internet capability since we have four different computers in the house as well as a blu ray player with wifi.

Thanks for the link
 

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3D is way overrated.

Internet connectivity can be useful for people who don't have a PS#/360/Wii though.

None of it is worth upgrading to if you already have an LCD TV though.
 

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It's either push 3d or invest in medical science to increase the resolving power of the human eye, I guess.
 

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The 3D stuff just smacks of desperation. I bought a new set last year, wanting something bigger than my 32inch Sony that still has amazing picture quality today. I just so happened to be at the right end of the buying spectrum to land on an amazing 2D set that could also do 3D. To this day, I have done little more than mess around with the technology for what could only amount to about an hour of actual use. There are games on the PS3 to try; I messed with their demos. They're cool, for a bit, but in the end I wasn't blown away. I messed with the 3D channels on DirecTV. We have three, and maybe four now... ESPN is going full time 3D on one of the channels on Valentines Day and more and more stuff is showing up randomly (Lakers game last week, other sporting events, select movies, science shows and etc).

Here's the big problem with the technology. The glasses are expensive and uncomfortable. They're still well over $100 a pair (one pair came with my TV and that's all I've ever had) and make the idea of buying it for the whole family a costly initiative. They're also pretty fragile looking. I don't think I'd want to hand them over to a small child and expect them to still work in a week. I don't get the eye fatigue I have experienced with the passive glasses in the movie theaters. The home active models are a lot easier on the eyes (and arguably, that's probably why they went for an electronic version instead of the cheap movie theater option). The picture also looks better than in the theater thanks to the technology. It's just too damn uncomfortable to sit and watch, though.

The glasses are heavy, particularly on the bridge of the nose, and cause massive annoyance even for short term viewing. This is coming from someone who wore glasses his whole life, and I can also put on a pair of sunglasses and forget I'm even wearing anything. I'm used to wearing glasses, but these 3D ones feel like something is just pressed hard on your face. Eric and I were messing around with the set last week, and we were watching a Bulls game I believe. Basketball looked great. It actually did give you that impression that you were sitting in the arena. Until it is works without glasses, though, I have really no interest in sitting there and suffering through a whole program. Maybe in another 5 years it'll really be ready for home use.
 

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I know 3d isnt as convenient as it should be, but man it must be killer for videogames. I can only imagine playing warhawk in 3d.
 
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The 3D thing cracks me up too. They talk about how people have adopted it, but most simply needed a display and happened to get one that has that feature.. which will now sit unused.

I'm sure a few think it's cool but no way I'm wearing any glasses to view a movie or anything else. Once the tech reaches a point where you enable it with the press of a button, with no glasses needed.. then people will use it.
 

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Don't forget Vizio will be integrating OnLive into their TVs now too.

The whole 3-D fad needs to die as it stands right now too. They should have waited until they could do it without the glasses. The whole gimmick doesn't even add much to movies as far as I can tell anyways so really it could go away all together.
 
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No one on earth, short of uber-nerds or AV Freaks is going to sit in their living room wearing stupid plastic glasses just so they can see alien smurfs running through a jungle in HD. It's just not going to happen.

If they want to make the tech work, they're going to have to make it without needing glasses/extra gadgets/etc...

There's a reason why color TV took over, it required no effort.
 

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CNN jumped in on the act this afternoon:


http://edition.cnn.com/2011/TECH/gaming.gadgets/01/06/ces.3dtv/


I've found that a few papers, like the New York Times and Wall Street Journal, actually seem to supply ideas for what other news sources --CNN, NPR, Fox, etc. end up covering the same day or even up to a few weeks later. CES is a bit different in that they're all seeing the same thing at the same time, but I couldn't help but think of the connection in other areas.
 

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CNN jumped in on the act this afternoon:


http://edition.cnn.com/2011/TECH/gaming.gadgets/01/06/ces.3dtv/


I've found that a few papers, like the New York Times and Wall Street Journal, actually seem to supply ideas for what other news sources --CNN, NPR, Fox, etc. end up covering the same day or even up to a few weeks later. CES is a bit different in that they're all seeing the same thing at the same time, but I couldn't help but think of the connection in other areas.

Dead birds falling from the sky only gets you so far.
 

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Once the tech reaches a point where you enable it with the press of a button, with no glasses needed.. then people will use it.

I totally agree with this!

I do think "some" video games would benefit from the technology, but only when no glasses are needed ...just my opinion! 3DS is on the right track; now let’s get some 50-60inchers with the tech. Better yet some projectors too! :glee:
 

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3d wont be useful until they pull off the effect without the glasses (like a giant 3ds).

I'm still rocking a big ol Magnavox tube TV, has component, but I'm not even sure its true component.
 

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My CRT lasted me over 10 years and would easily have kept me going had I not wanted HD media. I can see myself upgrading to a newer flat-screen, but only when I see drastic improvement over 1080p that makes it worthwhile. Perhaps when OLED takes over at a reasonable price point. Until then, I'm not spending any money on modest upgrades/widgets/or other fad innovations like 3-D.
 

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Personally, I don't care for 3D at all, especially televisions.

LED-LCD has provided the best PQ I've ever seen, that's enough for me.

A technology ruined by the need to make sets thinner instead of better.

Spinmaster needs to make an investment into HD, though. :shame:

PS: 3D NBA does look pretty damn good except for the floating heads that get cut off. ESPN also has to realize that the camera angles that have been used for 2D are not the best for 3D. Lower angle shots (especially ones looking the long way down the court) seem to work best.
 
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I will never buy a new set for 3D. I have had my Plasma for 5 years now and it is only 1080i, but with digital TV being only 1080i anyway, not that bothered about rusing out to upgrade. PS3 looks fine in 1080i and the Wii looks awful on any TV.

Don't really care for Blu-Ray either, I have a few. But I am still pissed off that I bought into DVDs when they came out and now with over 500 sitting in a cupboard. I really don't want to waste my money the same with Blu-Ray. Although I do appreciate it does looks great.

So when the Plasma dies, I will invest in a 1080p set and it would be nice to have Internet access directly on the TV, so I could get rid of the PC from the lounge. And lets be honest, browsing the web on the PS3/Wii is an irritating experience.

Maybe i'll try and make the set last until 2017 for the 3D smasher...

http://www.pcworld.com/article/209772/holographic_tv_coming_your_way_in_2017.html
 

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i think anyone serious about getting a 3d experience is going for a projector.

You can barely see the 3d on 50-60 inch tv's.
 

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Hahaha, I'm still watching DVD's on CRT. They can keep their HD TV's (3D or not) with extremely short design lives.
 

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My beef is this shitty move to glossy displays.

Personally, I have no problem dropping $1500 every 3 years on a new 40"ish set (can get much larger than 43" due to room size)...unless there is a problem.

Many here know I'm a A/V "guy" and one by trade...for years the question of "plasma or LCD" simply made me respond with "well, can you control your ambient lighting?" If the answer was no, then LCD...if yes, plasma.

Having a giant, highly reflective screen in my bright ass multi-window lit living room is pointless...it was so bad with out 32" CRT that we often didn't watch any television during daylight...especially when the "doesn't get dark until 9PM summer hours" start up. This was a serious pain and there is no way in hell I'll ever waste my $$ on one that has that feature.

I went to look at LED sets only to find that all of them were glossy...when I asked the salesman if people complain about that feature, he replied with "surprisingly, yes they do".

I'm patiently waiting for that bullshit to pass as I feel I'm not the only one that doesn't want to look at a giant reflection when attempting to watch television.






On a side note...internet enabled TVs and 3D are fucking lame...it is amazing how much I couldn't care less about those features. I have a phone that makes calls, a fridge that cools things, a coffee maker that makes coffee and I want a TV for *gasp*...watching TV...not surfing the web of gawking at some gimmicky 3D horse shit.
 

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My beef is this shitty move to glossy displays.

Personally, I have no problem dropping $1500 every 3 years on a new 40"ish set (can get much larger than 43" due to room size)...unless there is a problem.

Many here know I'm a A/V "guy" and one by trade...for years the question of "plasma or LCD" simply made me respond with "well, can you control your ambient lighting?" If the answer was no, then LCD...if yes, plasma.

Having a giant, highly reflective screen in my bright ass multi-window lit living room is pointless...it was so bad with out 32" CRT that we often didn't watch any television during daylight...especially when the "doesn't get dark until 9PM summer hours" start up. This was a serious pain and there is no way in hell I'll ever waste my $$ on one that has that feature.

I went to look at LED sets only to find that all of them were glossy...when I asked the salesman if people complain about that feature, he replied with "surprisingly, yes they do".

I'm patiently waiting for that bullshit to pass as I feel I'm not the only one that doesn't want to look at a giant reflection when attempting to watch television.






On a side note...internet enabled TVs and 3D are fucking lame...it is amazing how much I couldn't care less about those features. I have a phone that makes calls, a fridge that cools things, a coffee maker that makes coffee and I want a TV for *gasp*...watching TV...not surfing the web of gawking at some gimmicky 3D horse shit.

I think the internet is more for netflix

not so much
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I'm ordering my new TV in February or March.. a 50" Panasonic Viera G25 Plasma to replace my aging 50" Sony Wega Projection LCD. My needs are pretty simple. I play PS3, watch blurays and occasionally HDTV. I am looking forward to going from 720p to a 1080p set. I'll probably hook my PC up to it as well.

3D just doesn't strike me as necessary for my household. I think it's neat, and I enjoyed Avatar, Tron and Jackass in 3D, but I don't know if I could game that way. My eyes feel off from watching a 2 hour film. I don't think they could take the extended glasses effect.

I think the OnLive integration is a great idea. I don't personally use the service, but I see it is an important step in an interesting direction. The integrated experience with internet and the like is already catching on. It will be cool to see where this stuff goes in 5-10 years.
 

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smokehouse said:
On a side note...internet enabled TVs and 3D are fucking lame...it is amazing how much I couldn't care less about those features. I have a phone that makes calls, a fridge that cools things, a coffee maker that makes coffee and I want a TV for *gasp*...watching TV...not surfing the web of gawking at some gimmicky 3D horse shit.
Ditto

I went to a 3D movie this past weekend and was like....what's so 3D about this?

3D sucks and will continue to suck until it looks like something straight out of Star Wars.

Internet TVs is a bullshit lie straight out of a marketing execs wet dream. I could care less...I have computers for internet access. Yeah, I use the PC port for Hulu....but the marketing behind internet enabled TVs is just lame.
 
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