NeoBiosMasta: Introduction and Information (photo heavy) ORDERS OPEN - Neo-Geo Forums

NeoTurfMasta · 04-15-2010, 03:22 PM

EDIT April 27th: Ordering open at http://neogeofanclub.com Paypal or MO right now, and PP gifting would be really nice, but not mandatory.

Thanks all!
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I know a lot of you have been watching the work that smkdan is doing in the Tech section on the NeoCD debug bios, this product is a result of that. Anyone who makes consoled MVS systems from the MV1B and 1C knows how much of a pain in the ass it is to swap the surface mount bios to a regular DIP eprom. Its not all that hard, just extremely time consuming and honestly not the best looking thing.

Enters the NeoBiosMasta: NBM for short. (and for my friend NeoBomberman)

Anyway, this allows nearly anyone the ability to now swap their bios with minimal soldering. There are two boards, one for CD systems and one for MVS. I have done several 1B systems over the years and I always hated desoldering the original, cutting and stripping 40 wires, soldering one end to the board, then the other to the dip bios socket. By the time you're done you have soldered over 80 points and have 40 wires to deal with.

The CD system requires you to lift 2 pins, #10 and #12 from the original bios and solder one wire from pin #21 to the lifted #10. Pop on NBM over your 68K CPU and plug in the OE cable to the hole in front of pin #12. That's it.

The shield has to be cut to allow NBM clearance. It does not come in contact with the drive or any other components of the TopLoader CD system.

For MVS its pretty much the same thing. Lift pins #2 and #20, solder a bead between 1&2 of the original bios. Put the CE wire in its hole, pop on NBM to the 68K cpu and then put in the OE wire.

Before anyone asks, this does not overheat your 68k cpu or adversely effect it in any way. I left my 1b on for 48 hours straight and noticed no heat change whatsoever.

I don't have a 1C to do instructions on, but it wont be hard to figure out where the OE and CE.

For the CD guys that don't want to cut their shielding, I am working on an extension board. I already built in the capability to add a 40pin IDE cable that will move a socket daughterboard to the top side of the system. Issue I'm having is finding the longest possible length the extension can handle. Note, 7 inches is too long...

I'm opening preorders for these today for $13 a board. This does not include the bios. To give me time for assembly I should be able to start shipping out by May 3rd. All I need is a list of people who will want one and which model they want. I'll send a paypal invoice (or email notice) a week before I start shipping and payment can be made then. I haven't put them on my site yet, but I plan to in the next few days.

Thanks all!

kernow · 04-15-2010, 03:27 PM

Amazing work!

alphagamer · 04-15-2010, 03:34 PM

Thanks, that makes installing a Unibios on 1C and 1B systems a breeze.

Neo Ash · 04-15-2010, 03:37 PM

Nice work and priced fairly. This is a good example of giving back to the community!

NeoTurfMasta · 04-15-2010, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo Ash

Nice work and priced fairly. This is a good example of giving back to the community!

Thanks all! I should change the pricing so I can get the $25K rug...

mmsadda · 04-15-2010, 03:41 PM

You, sir, are a badass and an asset to this community.

werejag · 04-15-2010, 03:46 PM

will this work without the original bios installed. i have one with a removed bios on mvs 1c

TonK · 04-15-2010, 03:50 PM

Thats bad-ass!

Nice work, B!

NeoTurfMasta · 04-15-2010, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by werejag

will this work without the original bios installed. i have one with a removed bios on mvs 1c

Sure will. No soldering for you, just plug 'n go.

I also wanted to thank Murray for letting me use his Top Loader for my testing!

wasabi · 04-15-2010, 04:06 PM

whoa that's pretty cool.

RevQuixo · 04-15-2010, 04:12 PM

Turf is still gay.

BIG BEAR · 04-15-2010, 04:34 PM

Awsome! Link us to the order page! So even though the pin out is different between the MV1B and 1C it will still work?? Great.
BB

DanAdamKOF · 04-15-2010, 04:39 PM

Been a while since I saw a solderless modchip

werejag · 04-15-2010, 04:43 PM

pinout to the chip it plugs in is the same so i can see why it works for both

Xian Xi · 04-15-2010, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeoTurfMasta

Sure will. No soldering for you, just plug 'n go.

I also wanted to thank Murray for letting me use his Top Loader for my testing!

So just to clarify, on the MVS if I remove the stock bios completely there is no soldering, just install the new bios to the socket then press the NBM onto the 68k? or do I still need to connect the OE?

NeoTurfMasta · 04-15-2010, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xian Xi

So just to clarify, on the MVS if I remove the stock bios completely there is no soldering, just install the new bios to the socket then press the NBM onto the 68k? or do I still need to connect the OE?

You'll still need to connect OE and CE.

werejag · 04-15-2010, 05:05 PM

ok then ill have to install 2 wires

NeoTurfMasta · 04-15-2010, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by werejag

ok then ill have to install 2 wires

Install sounds so harsh. Just pop the wires in the holes and snap on the NBM and you're set. NBM will already have the wires soldered and stripped so you wont have to touch a soldering iron if there is no bios on your system. I also am including a pair of small vinyl stickers that will keep the wire down.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG BEAR

Awsome! Link us to the order page! So even though the pin out is different between the MV1B and 1C it will still work?? Great.
BB

No order page yet and yeah, the pinouts are the same on the 68k so it will work on both 1b and 1c. If you look closely on the boards you will see 1B Jamma and 1C Jamma with an arrow. That shows the install direction. Same with the CD bios, arrows point in the direction of the AV ports of the system.

Anyone who wants one just send me a PM and I'll keep track of them.

Thanks for the support guys! I have a few more projects I'm working on. So, if things go well with NBM I'll probably release them sometime this year as well.

jimerc21 · 04-15-2010, 05:17 PM

I'm interested in a couple MVS boards. Let me know where I sign up. Thanks man!

NeoTurfMasta · 04-15-2010, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimerc21

I'm interested in a couple MVS boards. Let me know where I sign up. Thanks man!

Just shoot me a PM for now. I'll see about rigging up an order page this weekend.

Oh and I'll have 1C install instructions probably early next week. Thanks to a helpful member. I'll see if I can get CDZ instructions here soon as well. Damn CD systems have a million freakin screws...

rarehero · 04-15-2010, 05:34 PM

:golf clap:

great job ntm!

Kiselgof · 04-15-2010, 05:41 PM

Kickass product! Everytime I see a new thread from you I know it's gonna be awesome. All I can hope for next is a Crossed Swords 2 MVS conversion

qube · 04-15-2010, 06:13 PM

Awesome, been following this in the Tech section.

Great work NTM!

sammybean · 04-15-2010, 06:20 PM

That's freaking awesome. Way to go

Murray · 04-15-2010, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeoTurfMasta

Install sounds so harsh. Just pop the wires in the holes and snap on the NBM and you're set.
...
No order page yet and yeah, the pinouts are the same on the 68k so it will work on both 1b and 1c.

This just gave me wood. Tell me where you want payment sent and I'll send money for one for my 1C.

04-15-2010, 03:34 PM	#3
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04-15-2010, 03:46 PM	#7
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04-15-2010, 03:50 PM	#8
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04-15-2010, 03:22 PM	#1
NeoTurfMasta DANCE DANCE KARNOV! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: SA-TX Posts: 1,730	NeoBiosMasta: Introduction and Information (photo heavy) ORDERS OPEN EDIT April 27th: Ordering open at http://neogeofanclub.com Paypal or MO right now, and PP gifting would be really nice, but not mandatory. Thanks all! ----------- I know a lot of you have been watching the work that smkdan is doing in the Tech section on the NeoCD debug bios, this product is a result of that. Anyone who makes consoled MVS systems from the MV1B and 1C knows how much of a pain in the ass it is to swap the surface mount bios to a regular DIP eprom. Its not all that hard, just extremely time consuming and honestly not the best looking thing. Enters the NeoBiosMasta: NBM for short. (and for my friend NeoBomberman) Anyway, this allows nearly anyone the ability to now swap their bios with minimal soldering. There are two boards, one for CD systems and one for MVS. I have done several 1B systems over the years and I always hated desoldering the original, cutting and stripping 40 wires, soldering one end to the board, then the other to the dip bios socket. By the time you're done you have soldered over 80 points and have 40 wires to deal with. The CD system requires you to lift 2 pins, #10 and #12 from the original bios and solder one wire from pin #21 to the lifted #10. Pop on NBM over your 68K CPU and plug in the OE cable to the hole in front of pin #12. That's it. The shield has to be cut to allow NBM clearance. It does not come in contact with the drive or any other components of the TopLoader CD system. For MVS its pretty much the same thing. Lift pins #2 and #20, solder a bead between 1&2 of the original bios. Put the CE wire in its hole, pop on NBM to the 68K cpu and then put in the OE wire. Before anyone asks, this does not overheat your 68k cpu or adversely effect it in any way. I left my 1b on for 48 hours straight and noticed no heat change whatsoever. I don't have a 1C to do instructions on, but it wont be hard to figure out where the OE and CE. For the CD guys that don't want to cut their shielding, I am working on an extension board. I already built in the capability to add a 40pin IDE cable that will move a socket daughterboard to the top side of the system. Issue I'm having is finding the longest possible length the extension can handle. Note, 7 inches is too long... I'm opening preorders for these today for $13 a board. This does not include the bios. To give me time for assembly I should be able to start shipping out by May 3rd. All I need is a list of people who will want one and which model they want. I'll send a paypal invoice (or email notice) a week before I start shipping and payment can be made then. I haven't put them on my site yet, but I plan to in the next few days. Thanks all! __________________ Support the NeoCD Debug project: Here Last edited by NeoTurfMasta; 04-27-2010 at 09:06 PM..

04-15-2010, 03:27 PM	#2
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04-15-2010, 04:43 PM	#14
werejag Pao Pao Cafe Waiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,791	pinout to the chip it plugs in is the same so i can see why it works for both

04-15-2010, 05:05 PM	#17
werejag Pao Pao Cafe Waiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,791	ok then ill have to install 2 wires

04-15-2010, 05:17 PM	#19
jimerc21 Timid Neo Newbie Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 5	I'm interested in a couple MVS boards. Let me know where I sign up. Thanks man!

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