Pachinkodensetsu: creative rant on KOF XII

[Taiso]

I was inspired to write a short story about SNK-P's failure based on my frustration in the News Thread "So KOF XII is delayed?"

It took me about 40 minutes to write this.

Or twice as long as it took SNK-P to test the netcode for KOF XII.

ENJOY!

Or not.

That's the attitude SNK-P had with KOF XII, isn't it?

PACHINKODENSETSU VS. CAPCOM
ROAD TO THE FINAL GAMBLING PARLOR
"NOT A MATCH! BULLSHIT LIE!"

(Terry, sitting on a stool outside a pachinko parlor in Japan. It’s a busy night and patrons are coming and going. Some people step up to go in and he holds an arm out to stop them momentarily. He looks inside the parlor and spots an overworked and very tired looking Kim Kaphwan surrounded by screaming customers asking for change. On the other side of the room, Goro Daimon is trying to patch a hole with boards, a hammer and some nails. Terry sighs, does a quick headcount of the patrons and then lets the players in. He tugs his familiar red and white cap down onto his head and looks back onto the street. After a little while, a fancy sports car pulls up and Ken, Ryu and Chun Li all get out. They are nicely dressed and seem to be in good spirits.)

Ryu: I’ve never actually gambled before.

Ken: Oh yeah? What about the EX series? That was a gamble!

Ryu: Hey, the EX games were pretty good. And you were in them, too.

Ken: They weren’t too bad. Definitely didn’t hurt the business. And anyway, what are you worried about? You’re rollin’ phat these days, my man!

Ryu: (laughs sheepishly and rubs the back of his head) Yeah, I guess you’re right. Things are looking up for the world warriors these days, eh?

Ken: You said it! Now let’s go spend some of that hard earned money!

Ryu: Pachinko? I thought you were higher class than this.

Ken: What can I say? I like to slum it once in a while too, Mr. ‘I live in the woods punching trees all day long.’

Chun Li (tuggingon Ryu’s arm): Hey guys, look there, by the door. Doesn’t he look familiar?

Ryu: Chun Li, I think you’re right. It’s….Terry!

(Terry groans inaudibly)

Ken: Terry Bogard!? NO WAY! Are you…are you actually….WORKING here?

Terry: (laughs nervously and tries to smile) Uh, heh heh…hey guys.

Chun Li: Hello, Terry. How have you been?

Ken: What do you mean, ‘how has he been?’ He works at a pachinko parlor! Isn’t it obvious he ain’t doin’ so good?

Terry: Hey now, no need to be mean to her. She’s just being polite.

Ryu: My friend, Terry…this is terrible. What are you doing WORKING here? This menial work doesn’t suit the TRUE king of fighters! (makes a fist and gives an intense glare)

Terry: Well gee, thanks Ryu. I’m glad you think so-

Ken: Terry, how did this happen!?

Terry: Huh? Well, you see...it’s kind of a long story.

Chun Li: Terry, was it the people that own your contract again?

Terry: …..yeah, actually. It is.

Ken: What did those jerks do to you guys this time?

Ryu: Didn’t they force you to work here once before?

Terry: (laughs nervously) Ha ha, you actually remember that? I’d kind of hoped you would have forgotten by now.

Ryu: I always remember worthy opponents. It pains me to see you like this again, Terry.

Ken: Yeah, it really bugs me too.

Chun Li: (standing on her tip toes, looking into the pachinko parlor) Is that Kim and Goro I see in there?

Terry: Yeah, they work here too.

Ken: Anybody else from your crew in this joint?

Terry: Some of the others work here on different nights. Kevin, Choi and Chang, Krauser, Jin Fu Ha, Rick Stroud….they’ve got us all over Japan right now in different parlors.

Ken: (grins lecherously) What about the ladies? Any of those SNK hotties like Mai or Vanessa in there?

Terry: Naw, they’re all working as sort of ‘virtual’ call girls for video game otakus theses days. They call it a ‘dating sim’ or something like that.

Chun Li: Oh my god…being groped by those unwashed masses must be awful!

Terry: Well, they aren’t actually being touched. I guess the nerds ask them a bunch of questions like ‘what’s your favorite food’ and ‘what kind of music do you like’ and somehow, it all ends with being able to play with a video game version of their boobs.

Ken: Heh heh…you said ‘bewbs.’

(Chun Li smacks Ken on the back of the head)

Ryu: This is terrible. So many of you are worthy fighters and you’re being denied the opportunity to truly shine because of poor choices made by your employers.

Terry: That’s the business. Back in the day, we had some good business going. Now…not so much.

Ryu: Are all of you relegated to such lives of ignominy?

Terry: Not all of us. Some of us are still pretty famous in certain circles. Or so I’ve been told.

Chun Li: Like who?

Terry: Kyo and Iori are doing pretty well for themselves these days. They’re in the adult film industry.

Ryu: …..together?

Terry: …..well, to be honest….

Ken, Ryu and Chun Li: NO WAY!

Terry: Well, look at them. If they don’t totally scream ‘yaoi’ at you, what does? And hey, let’s face it. Their boy toy images are the main reason they were ever popular to begin with. I can’t blame ‘em for cashing on in that.

Ken: I’m almost afraid to ask…what about your brother and Joe?

Terry: They’re not gay for each other, you idiot!

Ken: (waving Terry off) That’s not what I meant! I meant….what are they doing right now?

Terry: Well, a bunch of us were brought back for the latest tournament so they had to get in shape again. And they really did it too, you know? Everyone invited to the tournament really worked hard and got back in great fighting condition again. We were ready to rumble.

Ryu: I sense this tournament did not go so well.

Terry: Mismanaged from the start. The company originally planned for twice as many entrants but time and money were running short so they axed a bunch of people at the last minute and tried to spin it as their intention all along. Something about keeping us on our toes or some such.

Chun Li: You said everyone came back ready to fight. Were there any major changes?

Terry: Well, it had been a while since we’d gotten everyone together so we decided to dress up in our old threads. You know, relive the past…that sort of thing. Ryo even went so far as to change back to his original Kyokugen stance. He really went old school on us. Kensou too. He was wearing his green clothes from ages ago. Athena’s just kind of given up on the whole idol singer thing. She’s just a kawaii sailor fuku girl now. Leona ditched her army top. Oh, and Ralf and Clark either ate a LOT of food or ‘roided up because they are HUGE now. As big as Goro, at least.

Ken: Sounds like you were into it. What happened?

Terry: It was weird, you know? Even though we all tried to go back to basics, something didn’t feel right. It was like people forgot how to do all their moves. And sometimes…their moves were slow. And nothing seemed familiar. Not the music, the areas were fighting in…nothing. It was like everyone showed up for the dance in our best suits but they didn’t know how to actually dance. Well, that’s not entirely true. When we were really, really close to one another, it felt like the old days. But put any distance between us and I swear to god, it was slower than talking to someone with morse code.

Ryu: So what happened?

Terry: The company took a bath and they never recovered from it. They tried for the quick fix and it backfired on them.

Ken: And here you are, working pachinko parlors again.

Terry: (sighs) Yep, that’s the long and short of it.

Ryu: This is a travesty. I have managed to expunge the Satsui No Hadou from my soul, but if there were ever a time I wanted it back…

Ken: Easy, bro.

Terry: So, what about you guys? You seem to be doing well these days.

Chun Li: (smiles happily) Oh yes, we are. They recently remade one of our older tournaments and asked us all to participate again. It was updated for modern times and everything. It was quite fun, and a huge success!

Ken: AND they recently had a NEW tournament for us, too. We made a few new friends, and some new enemies, along the way.

Chun Li: (cheeks puffing) I hate that Seth!

Terry: Seth? Like…with the Mohawk?

Ken: Hahaha no, not your guy. He was the boss of the new tournament. Robot or android or something. I think he has a gay bar in his stomach or something. Anyway, he’s pretty lame. But the rest of the tournament was aces. And what’s great is that it was all handled smoothly and professionally. Perfectly run tournament in all respects. Very efficient.

Terry: Wow…that…that sounds, you know, great.

Ken: What about your tournament? Who was the boss? Geese? Mr. Big? Did they dig up Orochi or Igniz again?

Terry: (tugs his hat down over his eyes) We…didn’t….have a boss.

Ryu: What? No boss!? But…aren’t your tournaments always ended with strong bosses to challenge you?

Terry: (frustrated) Yeah, well…not this time, Ryu.

Ken: No boss!? That’s bunk! Your tournaments ALWAYS have bosses. Even when they’re ‘dream matches’, whatever THAT means.

Chun Li: What kind of SNK tournament was this supposed to be? Did the sponsors have any idea of your fan base? I can’t believe they would be that ignorant.

Terry: (voice low) Yeah, it’s…pretty bad right now.

(Terry doesn’t say anything, clearly flustered at his circumstances. Chun Li sees Terry’s upset and gives him a hug because he looks like he could use one)

Ryu: (puts a hand on Terry’s shoulder) Terry, my friend….have you ever thought about quitting them and coming to work with us?

Terry: Boy, have I ever! Everyone would love that, to be honest. But they aren’t gonna let our contracts go. They’d rather have us work shit jobs for the rest of our lives than give us any dignity or let us go somewhere that we can feel like our old selves again.

Chun Li: Terry, I’m so sorry.

Terry: It’s okay, Chun.

Ryu: If you and your fellows ever manage to get free from their fumbling hands, there will always be a place for you beside us.

Ken: I’m sure OUR bosses would love it.

Terry: (forces a smile) I’ll keep that in mind. Maybe it’ll come to that eventually. And you never know, we could eventually bounce back…there’s always NEXT year, right?

[kernow]

[NeoDragoN]

O_O

And I thought i was bored some days....jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessuss...

[Taiso]

Originally Posted by NeoDragoN

O_O

And I thought i was bored some days....jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessuss...

I was waiting for moves to go off in KOF XII when I wrote this.

I had time.

[dubdubdub]

[kernow]

lol fanfiction, domain of the boogereaters

[Taiso]

Well, I wouldn't classify this as 'fanfiction' as it was just a thinly veiled attempt to express my own frustration at these characters I love so much being shit on by SNK-P shoddy's treatment through the characters themselves.

I definitely wouldn't post anything I write with any serious artistic intention here. This place is a buzzsaw.

It's good if you want to get yourself flogged, tho^^

[2Heed]

Well-written, good job. Normally I don't bother with fanfics but anything that brings back the infamous "Bullshit Lie!" phrase is gold in my book.

[ElectricGrave]

Total douche, do you honestly believe that SNKP didn't do everything they could? I mean you think you love SNK right? How about the guy that took it back and formed it again? Don't you think he loves the characters. To think that there wasn't an incredible amount of effort in this project is preposterous.

Life happens man, that's just the way it is and for SNK/P it happens more often than not, but hell, just go on and live with frustration, you'll never get to appreciate the game for what it is, but then again why should you? Why bother getting the most out of a game that seems so incomplete 'cause of SNKP's struggle to stay afloat? Hell, I guess I should agree and find no reason whatsoever to try and have some fun with the game at all.

Sickening I tell ya, just plain fucking sad. I honestly think you should spend more time with the game rather than being plain bored and making up retarded shit like this. People that get bored with so much in life are annoying as fuck. Take it however you want, I don't give a shit. I thought you had some sort of notion and an open mind but you just fucken proved me wrong to the max, oh well! it's not the first time and it won't be the last.

As a story kudos and all, good composition but as what the whole attitude behind this entails is beyond reason. I guess some people can never be pleased. I remember when freaking KOF 98 came out and fuckers were whining, I swear it man, some fuckers where complaining about KOF '98!

Since you seem compelled in being all knowing and shit, how about you use that boredom of yours and do some serious research about this make an ample and concrete presentation about SNKP and it's failings. I mean, fucking hell I would love to read that! A serious critique of SNKP would be a breath of fresh air, everyone that complaints of SNKP seems so naive about the subject, like they don't understand what the fuck they're talking about.

Of course this is all up to you, but then again I'm just expressing my opinion just like you, take it or leave it.

[Taiso]

Originally Posted by electricgrave

Total douche, do you honestly believe that SNKP didn't do everything they could? I mean you think you love SNK right? How about the guy that took it back and formed it again? Don't you think he loves the characters. To think that there wasn't an incredible amount of effort in this project is preposterous.

LOL Dude, you really need to stop taking attacks on SNK-P so personally. You sound like a butthurt developer.

Originally Posted by electricgrave

Life happens man, that's just the way it is and for SNK/P it happens more often than not, but hell, just go on and live with frustration, you'll never get to appreciate the game for what it is, but then again why should you? Why bother getting the most out of a game that seems so incomplete 'cause of SNKP's struggle to stay afloat? Hell, I guess I should agree and find no reason whatsoever to try and have some fun with the game at all.

Fuck SNK-P for trying to stay afloat. They can do better and KOF XII is a pile of shit. Or, if they CAN'T do better, it's time to sell the franchises off to people that CAN do better. Period.

Go and have fun with it. Have all the fun you like. Just stop acting like someone's raping your soul for disliking the game or disliking SNK-P.

If you ARE an employee of SNK-P, maybe you should spend more time communicating to them just how pissed off most of us are about KOF XII in terms they can understand.

Originally Posted by electricgrave

Sickening I tell ya, just plain fucking sad. I honestly think you should spend more time with the game rather than being plain bored and making up retarded shit like this. People that get bored with so much in life are annoying as fuck. Take it however you want, I don't give a shit. I thought you had some sort of notion and an open mind but you just fucken proved me wrong to the max, oh well! it's not the first time and it won't be the last.

And I'm happy to prove you wrong every time you want to defend SNK-P for 'effort.'

Maybe I should give them a pat on the back or send them a box of cookies or award them a trophy for 'effort.'

I have no pity for those sorry motherfuckers. They made their KOF XII fecal bed. Now they can sleep in it and breathe in lungfuls of ass and criticism all night long.

Originally Posted by electricgrave

As a story kudos and all, good composition but as what the whole attitude behind this entails is beyond reason. I guess some people can never be pleased. I remember when freaking KOF 98 came out and fuckers were whining, I swear it man, some fuckers where complaining about KOF '98!

Since you seem compelled in being all knowing and shit, how about you use that boredom of yours and do some serious research about this make an ample and concrete presentation about SNKP and it's failings.

Because I don't want to read another one of your 'rebuttals.'

Originally Posted by electricgrave

I mean, fucking hell I would love to read that! A serious critique of SNKP would be a breath of fresh air, everyone that complaints of SNKP seems so naive about the subject, like they don't understand what the fuck they're talking about.

I have a better idea.

How about *YOU* write their defense up? You seem to have a handle on it, so you champion their cause.

On second thought, don't bother. What they've done with KOF XII is pretty indefensible.

Originally Posted by electricgrave

Of course this is all up to you, but then again I'm just expressing my opinion just like you, take it or leave it.

In this case, I'll leave it.

[ElectricGrave]

Originally Posted by Taiso

In this case, I'll leave it.

You didn't but nice try though.

[Taiso]

Originally Posted by electricgrave

You didn't but nice try though.

I think shitting all over your response qualifies as 'leaving it.'

[Praise the Lard]

Interesting way to express it, but your core complaints are kind of the same as everybody elses.

I thought well before the game was ever released that it would essentially be a stepping stone for KOF13. This became blatantly apparent to me around the time they announced the roster size, as I'm sure it did to others. Years from now we may look back at KOF12 as little more than a glorified tech demo for KOF13.

I do not believe SNKP has the artistic resources to redraw everything in this style at any decent speed.

I do not believe SNKP has the financial resources to sit around waiting for the game to be developed.

So we have KOF12.. A half product. A stepping stone. Something to pay the bills.

Leaving the quality of the game out of it.. Was there a lot of effort put in it? Without a doubt. Is it all it could have been? Obviously not. Given the circumstances I'd say it actually turned out just about as good as one could expect though.

Take the good with the bad and consider saving your final judgment for KOF13.



On a side note:
As far as I can tell KOF12, like almost every other SNKP (and SNK) title ever, has not been very successful at retail. How this company stays in operation I will never know. It seems everything they put on store shelves, no matter how good, just doesn't do well or just plain bombs. Yet they will not die. Love them or hate them, that is pretty amazing.

[JamesABaldwin]

Goes to show that the hardcore market really does make a difference.

[Taiso]

EDIT: Forgot to say at the start of all this that I LOVE your sig, Laird. It is awesomeXD

Originally Posted by Praise the Lard

Interesting way to express it, but your core complaints are kind of the same as everybody elses.

We are legion.

Originally Posted by Praise the Lard

I thought well before the game was ever released that it would essentially be a stepping stone for KOF13. This became blatantly apparent to me around the time they announced the roster size, as I'm sure it did to others. Years from now we may look back at KOF12 as little more than a glorified tech demo for KOF13.

In fairness (because I *DO* appreciate your even handed perspective on the matter over electricgrave's fanboyish defenses):

The market just isn't going to be tolerant of this kind of release anymore, nor should they be. It's perfectly fine that you're applying your preconception of the game in order to make its MANY failings easier for you to accept, but that doesn't justify the product's shoddy release by any stretch.

I, too, want KOF XIII to come out and I want it to build on the potential this game showed but almost completely failed to deliver on. 'Potential' is a bad word for a company that should know better, IMO.

Originally Posted by Praise the Lard

I do not believe SNKP has the artistic resources to redraw everything in this style at any decent speed.

I do not believe SNKP has the financial resources to sit around waiting for the game to be developed.

"Certainly they existed. Those consumed with vengeance, those blinded by ambition. But here, they do not exist. Only winners... and losers here! For here the mighty rule!"

SNK-P needs to tackle this thing like Terry Bogard getting out of the cab in Fatal Fury. They've been gone a long time, training and preparing themselves for the fight of their lives. They needed to step up, resources be damned.

Arc Systems doesn't have a ton of cash either, and Blazblue turned out perfectly fine. So forgiving KOF XII for SNK-P's intercompany politics and economics isn't really enough to justify this game's shoddy quality.

Originally Posted by Praise the Lard

So we have KOF12.. A half product. A stepping stone. Something to pay the bills.

Leaving the quality of the game out of it.. Was there a lot of effort put in it? Without a doubt. Is it all it could have been? Obviously not. Given the circumstances I'd say it actually turned out just about as good as one could expect though.

Again, ALL due respect to you sir, but no way. It should have turned out a lot better than this. Our expectations were rightfully set high and they didn't meet them. So now I'm kicking them in the ass for it until they either fix the problem (or at least acknowledge it) or I gas myself out.

I'll probably gas myself out first.

Originally Posted by Praise the Lard

Take the good with the bad and consider saving your final judgment for KOF13.

Well, KOF XII is a product released to a consumer market. It can be judged for what it is.

When KOF XIII comes out, I may very well look back and say 'this game would have never happened without all the missteps of KOF XII.' It's possible that all of the mistakes made with XII will be things they learn from and that XIII will totally rock the bones.

But I don't think it's unfair to stomp a mudhole in XII's ass.

Originally Posted by Praise the Lard

On a side note:
As far as I can tell KOF12, like almost every other SNKP (and SNK) title ever, has not been very successful at retail. How this company stays in operation I will never know. It seems everything they put on store shelves, no matter how good, just doesn't do well or just plain bombs. Yet they will not die. Love them or hate them, that is pretty amazing.

The truth of the matter is that I love SNK in all its forms.

If I didn't care about them so much, I wouldn't complain so much. Any gamer that actually got into the AES or MVS scene in its heyday either:

A.) Had lots of money and nothing else to spend it on.

B.) Loved SNK products enough to sacrifice in other areas.

C.) Some permutation of A and B.

I was in category B, so the love was (and still is) there. I can't even tell you how much money I've given SNK since 1994. I wouldn't even want to scare myself by counting it all up. But it's a lot. So I imagine it's fans like us, that keep coming back no matter how much that brick wall hurts to keep running into, that keep them afloat.

[dubdubdub]

haha is this whole thing about KOF XII?

It's not *that* bad. Jeez. Stop being such a pussy and just play the game.

It's laying the groundwork for KOF XIII surely.

[Taiso]

Originally Posted by dubdubdub

haha is this whole thing about KOF XII?

It's not *that* bad. Jeez. Stop being such a pussy and just play the game.

It's laying the groundwork for KOF XIII surely.

The title of the thread is Pachinkodensestu: creative rant on KOF XII

Please read, at the very least, the TITLE of the thread before you spew shit.

Now go clean up.

[dubdubdub]

Originally Posted by Taiso

The title of the thread is Pachinkodensestu: creative rant on KOF XII

Please read, at the very least, the TITLE of the thread before you spew shit.

Now go clean up.

lol no shit?

booger eater internet tough guy

[ElectricGrave]

Originally Posted by dubdubdub

lol no shit?

booger eater internet tough guy

No shit, this fucker believes he's got some sort of civilized behavior or something. After talking crap like a sandy ass vagina about KOF XII and SNKP the he proceeds to getting all cramped 'cause I cannot agree with the man and then he pretends indifference, wtf?

Taiso, you're a fucking disgrace. What happened? Did you completely forgot you were part of this and now all of the sudden decided to come back and act all high and mighty? Get off the high horse douchebag!

How many fucking people are lacking in decency and good posture in this place?...unfuckingreal!

[Taiso]

Originally Posted by electricgrave

No shit, this fucker believes he's got some sort of civilized behavior or something. After talking crap like a sandy ass vagina about KOF XII and SNKP the he proceeds to getting all cramped 'cause I cannot agree with the man and then he pretends indifference, wtf?

Taiso, you're a fucking disgrace. What happened? Did you completely forgot you were part of this and now all of the sudden decided to come back and act all high and mighty? Get off the high horse douchebag!

How many fucking people are lacking in decency and good posture in this place?...unfuckingreal!

Seriously dude, I don't mind that you disagree with me. As I've illustrated here in this thread, I can politely disagree with others and there are no hard feelings.

But honestly, read your own initial response to this post and realize that you're being a hypocrite by criticizing others of 'lacking in decency and good posture.' And don't, for one second, think that just because I've been M.I.A. that I'm EVER going to go through the motion of 'earning my stripes' around here again.

Deep down at the center, I don't get the sense that you're a bad guy. I really don't. Just don't take it so personally that people hate this game.

Oh, and this:

Originally Posted by dubdubdub

lol no shit?

booger eater internet tough guy

Calling someone variants of 'nerd' on a forum dedicated to video games where you have three times as many posts as your intended target isn't just an example of hypocricy, it's the DEFINITION of it.

So kill yourself.

[ElectricGrave]

I also like to believe that you're a decent guy. The thing is that your demeaning and demanding behavior seems a bit too streched and it's becoming far too common around this place. Don't take it personal but you're just a small part of the repetitive attitude that the mayority of this place represents.

When I get all personal about your opinion is not really you that I'm "attacking" is all of you folks here that can't seem to get on with the game and enjoy it. Whinning all the time about the games we're suppossed to be sharing and be part of our lives. No one wants to be excited about anything anymore, it's depressing and it hurts me 'cause when I joined this place I wanted to be part of something special, where we could circumvent on grand events such as the release of KOFXII, this is a gift and no one can see it...

Also behind all the snide remarks there were some decent questions but I can see how anyone would dismiss them, for folks like you they seem unimportant.

If Capcom owned SNK they could ruin it. If I want to play Capcom games I'll play Capcom games. I don't want to play SNK games and end up playing Capcom games 'cause they're extremely different although their main course remain the same the nitty gritty is worlds apart and I don't want to miss on that.

dubs needs no hailing mary, but if the man is telling what's up you oughtta try and listen, he's A-OK .

You do roll on a high horse though but that's ok, there's lots of that around here. I'm just being honest and trying to stay objective.

[Taiso]

Originally Posted by electricgrave

I also like to believe that you're a decent guy. The thing is that your demeaning and demanding behavior seems a bit too streched and it's becoming far too common around this place. Don't take it personal but you're just a small part of the repetitive attitude that the mayority of this place represents.

When I get all personal about your opinion is not really you that I'm "attacking" is all of you folks here that can't seem to get on with the game and enjoy it. Whinning all the time about the games we're suppossed to be sharing and be part of our lives. No one wants to be excited about anything anymore, it's depressing and it hurts me 'cause when I joined this place I wanted to be part of something special, where we could circumvent on grand events such as the release of KOFXII, this is a gift and no one can see it...

Also behind all the snide remarks there were some decent questions but I can see how anyone would dismiss them, for folks like you they seem unimportant.

If Capcom owned SNK they could ruin it. If I want to play Capcom games I'll play Capcom games. I don't want to play SNK games and end up playing Capcom games 'cause they're extremely different although their main course remain the same the nitty gritty is worlds apart and I don't want to miss on that.

dubs needs no hailing mary, but if the man is telling what's up you oughtta try and listen, he's A-OK .

You do roll on a high horse though but that's ok, there's lots of that around here. I'm just being honest and trying to stay objective.

See, I can respect and appreciate that your perspective on the game is that we should be taking it for what it is. You aren't the only person saying that.

In this case, I'm just on the side of the fence where I feel the game is an insult to my loyalty.

As has been reiterated ad nauseum around here, the home console release is a $60 demo. It's got great 2P value, but the game is fucking incomplete, lacks 1P content, has retardedly stupid AI and the netcode is a mess. I just can't abide that in this day and age when Arc Systems is pumping out Blazblue and it makes KOF look sad by comparison.

In another thread, I gave SERIOUS props to KOF 2K2 UM, a SNK-P release. I like KOF XI. I even like the MI series, as underachieving as that is. It's not all bad.

But this game is BAD.

As for the Capcom comments, shit man...I don't want to see that happen but at this point I'm begging for someone, ANYONE, to do these once titan legacies some REAL justice. Street Fighter had EVERY reason to fail and it succeeded.

And it's NOT because Capcom has deep pockets. Again...Blazblue.

But you know what? We know one another's feelings on the matter.

As for dub's 'recommendation', I've PLAYED the game.

1P is busted and worthless.

2P local is fine but the scene is dead. Very few communities have active fighting game circles anymore. That went away with the death of arcades. If you have one...good on ya.

The netcode is fucked, so 2P online is equally busted and worthless.

Play the damn game?

I HAVE played it as much as anyone not in a specific set of circumstances is able to.

And it's not fun. It's just frustrating.

[dubdubdub]

Originally Posted by Taiso

Calling someone variants of 'nerd' on a forum dedicated to video games where you have three times as many posts as your intended target isn't just an example of hypocricy, it's the DEFINITION of it.

So kill yourself.

haha dude, I have this many posts because of an account merge.

Forget having skin thick enough to take a little shit talk joking. This hostility thing is obviously way more up your alley.

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Games like KOFXII are going to become more and more common as time goes on. Each generation the developement of console games becomes more and more expensive.

When Street Fighter IV was released in arcades it was "incomplete" (although not to the same extent as KOFXII). Hell we still don't even have a proper Gran Turismo 5 and that game is backed by some serious $$$.

It seems like more and more companies, especially the smaller ones, will be releasing what are really more like big elaborate demos then actual games so they can turn a profit as they build up to something great.

Here's hoping the next KOF is a full, complete and well tested game. I don't have anything against Capcom, but a Capcom KOF?! - BLEAGH!!!! I sure hope it never comes to that.

[Praise the Lard]

Taiso, I'm not really trying to find ways for me or anyone else to more easily accept KOF12. I have not bought the game because I can't support this sort of thing, even from SNK. I'll either wait for a lower price point or buy it when they fix the broken netcode.

I think it's definitely unfortunate that SNKP decided to make this a numbered entry in the series, if you ask me they'd have been better off calling it something else (Neowave 2, anything). After the train wrecks of 2001 and 2002 (I'm ignoring that a lot of people love 2002) I felt SNKP did great work with KOF 2003 and KOF11.

Everyone reading should ask themselves: Does this game really deserve to be 12?

What is there is pretty good (imo) but sooo much that makes up the series is missing. The KOF games on the GBA and even the one on the *gasp* N-Gage did more in terms of the single player stuff. Yeah, think about that for a minute..

Despite all that it is still the online play that takes the cake for me. You would think with the lack of content they would polish the hell out of the netcode. I could forgive everything else if it were a blast to play online. :P

In the end, I'm not sure what all the douche bagging in this thread is about. The points Taiso has made are plenty valid and are clearly problems with the game. I'm glad Ralf and Clark's new designs were mentioned.. I don't think that gets mentioned enough. WTF? :\ Back to the drawing board with them..