"Signed By Bush, ALLOWING TORTURE, Memo Shows Bush NOT 'Insulated'"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/10/95033/2181/104/493151

Im not going to quote it because its a pretty lengthy article with multiple parts. The comments section is possibly NSFW as people are posting pictures from the Abu ghraib photos.

Heres the summary from the top:

Here's the central point:

As detailed in the recent ABC News story on how top White House officials in the National Security Council discussed specific details of torture, the Bush Administration torture policy was determined by the NSC.

What ABC didn't mention is that Bush is the head of the National Security Counsel and the 2002 NSC decision memo in question, shown at the bottom of this post, signed by George W. Bush, establishes that Bush was in 2002 indeed doing his job as acting head and final decision maker of the National Security Council.

An April 11 AP News study claims Bush was "insulated" from the torture decision making process but existing documents, such as showcased in this post, rebut that claim and indicate Bush was in the torture loop, the top "decider"

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Arent these kind of things considered war crimes? Do you think anyone will be tried once they leave office?

Nesagwa said:

Arent these kind of things considered war crimes? Do you think anyone will be tried once they leave office?

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Definitely yes to the first question, but sadly I'm betting no on the second. This administration has made out like bandits with little if any attempt to hide it.

I'm sure there will be a movement to try Bush, Cheney, Yoo, and others but I doubt it will ever come to fruition.

But wouldn't it be the most satisfying event ever if it did?

Populous said:

I'm sure there will be a movement to try Bush, Cheney, Yoo, and others but I doubt it will ever come to fruition.

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I'm pretty sure that there's been a movement in that direction for quite a long time, but look where it got Dennis Kucinich--not enough people want to hear about how an American president just f'ed everything up. There are people in the USA who care, but resign themselves to believing "Well, as long as he's out of office, we shouldn't bother with punishing him, and instead focus on remedying the problems" to which there's a certain logic, though not one with which I can agree.

I think that the larger point, though, is that there are very few tribunals nowadays which will actually try war criminals. Sure, most every major state has their own (often directly connected to the military), but the only one which has an international respectability is the one of the United Nations and, sadly, if the USA doesn't feel like cooperating with them, nothing's going to happen.

Sad but true. I almost feel it's cliché to say everything I just wrote.

Nesagwa said:

Do you think anyone will be tried once they leave office?

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Bush will serve the same amount of time that Nixon did.

BUMP

Sorry Nes, but it looks like this story's been pretty much buried by the news outlets in exchange for things they feel are clearly more important, like taking some imagined issue of Obama's supposed elitism and comparing it to Hillary's attempts to connect with "common folk" by behaving like some skank at a house party.

That said, at least we still have shows like 60 Minutes that occasionally air programs showcasing what everyone else omits. Tonight's show, for instance looks to be interesting.