Obama vs. McCain, it officially begins: Clusterfuck to the White House

BoriquaSNK

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Here she is, the first tripping stone on the long arduous journey of an election year. The Iowa caucuses are a bizarre tradition that have so many factors it is frankly impossible to tell who is gonna win it beforehand, but let's give it our best and see who's right tomorrow.

The caucus is totally different than any other political event, people show up at highschool and church auditoriums and basically yell at each other until someone is the clear winner. It's scary, intimidating, and I can only imagine how fun it is.

So first, there are a few factors to consider for each party.

Democrats:
This year, the energy is with the Democrats, people are expecting roughly three times more turnout than the GOP. The Des Moines Register had a poll saying Obama managed to nab 35% of the electorate, including a plurality of women, in the caucus votes. Let this not be understated that if this is true this is a HUGE development for the Barry camp considering Clinton's primary fallback has been women, who make up more than 60% of the caucus vote.

Since 1996, the participation in the caucus among Dems has doubled each election cycle, if this happens again Obama will win in a landslide of at least 10%, if not, Edwards and Clinton are neck and neck with Barry.

The Obama, Clinton, and Edwards camps are all providing caravans, babysitters, handicapped and elderly assistance, and plenty of brown nosing.

Also, Kucinich has asked his supporters to vote for Obama should he not be in the running for a caucus win, a not-so-subtle endorsement from a very subtle woodland elf. Kucinich supporters are similar to Ron Paul supporters in their allegiance and tenacity, though they aren't as hygienic and usually aren't members of a militia.

Republicans:
The GOP is expecting low turnout, but Huckabee is expected to cruise through if the turnout is higher than expected. Should Huckabee win, Romney will take a huge hit since he's spent tens of millions compared with Huckabee's...well...1 million.

Also, Thompson and McCain are fighting for third place. McCain doesn't need this to win in NH, but Thompson needs this badly since he is poised to be destroyed in NH...he would have to use his 3rd place underdog momentum to manufacture a win in SC or completely give up. I don't think he'll do it.

Also, I think Giuliani made a serious mistake in not fighting for 3rd in Iowa, he's ceded it to Huck and Mittens, he's ceded NH to McCain and Mittens, and is hoping to make his stand in Florida on the fucking 29th and then use that momentum to win all the primaries on tsunami Tuesday. Good luck paisan.

Finally, there's Ron "The Civil War was unnecessary" Paul, whose supporters will be out in force. The GOP caucus has even weirder rules with some precincts having a 15% approval cap to even be considered...Paul supporters, unlike Kucinich, will not throw their votes to Mittens or Huck, they will leave.

So, here are my unsolicited predictions with number one being the winner:

Dems:
1. Obama
2. Clinton
3. Edwards
4. Biden
5. Richardson

GOP:
1. Romney (by a pinch)
2. Huckabee
3. Thompson
4. McCain
5. Paul

What do you guys think? Am I way off base?
 
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BoriquaSNK said:
Here she is, the first tripping stone on the long arduous journey of an election year. The Iowa caucuses are a bizarre tradition that have so many factors it is frankly impossible to tell who is gonna win it beforehand, but let's give it our best and see who's right tomorrow.

The caucus is totally different than any other political event, people show up at highschool and church auditoriums and basically yell at each other until someone is the clear winner. It's scary, intimidating, and I can only imagine how fun it is.

So first, there are a few factors to consider for each party.

Democrats:
This year, the energy is with the Democrats, people are expecting roughly three times more turnout than the GOP. The Des Moines Register had a poll saying Obama managed to nab 35% of the electorate, including a plurality of women, in the caucus votes. Let this not be understated that if this is true this is a HUGE development for the Barry camp considering Clinton's primary fallback has been women, who make up more than 60% of the caucus vote.

Since 1996, the participation in the caucus among Dems has doubled each election cycle, if this happens again Obama will win in a landslide of at least 10%, if not, Edwards and Clinton are neck and neck with Barry.

The Obama, Clinton, and Edwards camps are all providing caravans, babysitters, handicapped and elderly assistance, and plenty of brown nosing.

Also, Kucinich has asked his supporters to vote for Obama should he not be in the running for a caucus win, a not-so-subtle endorsement from a very subtle woodland elf. Kucinich supporters are similar to Ron Paul supporters in their allegiance and tenacity, though they aren't as hygienic and usually aren't members of a militia.

Republicans:
The GOP is expecting low turnout, but Huckabee is expected to cruise through if the turnout is higher than expected. Should Huckabee win, Romney will take a huge hit since he's spent tens of millions compared with Huckabee's...well...1 million.

Also, Thompson and McCain are fighting for third place. McCain doesn't need this to win in NH, but Thompson needs this badly since he is poised to be destroyed in NH...he would have to use his 3rd place underdog momentum to manufacture a win in SC or completely give up. I don't think he'll do it.

Also, I think Giuliani made a serious mistake in not fighting for 3rd in Iowa, he's ceded it to Huck and Mittens, he's ceded NH to McCain and Mittens, and is hoping to make his stand in Florida on the fucking 29th and then use that momentum to win all the primaries on tsunami Tuesday. Good luck paisan.

Finally, there's Ron "The Civil War was unnecessary" Paul, whose supporters will be out in force. The GOP caucus has even weirder rules with some precincts having a 15% approval cap to even be considered...Paul supporters, unlike Kucinich, will not throw their votes to Mittens or Huck, they will leave.

So, here are my unsolicited predictions with number one being the winner:

Dems:
1. Obama
2. Clinton
3. Edwards
4. Biden
5. Richardson

GOP:
1. Romney (by a pinch)
2. Huckabee
3. Thompson
4. McCain
5. Paul

What do you guys think? Am I way off base?

I would say, "don't underestimate the nutters," but you never know, it's possible that the religious conservatives may have grown tired of nominating, and electing, a pastor-in-chief (Bush for example) --- Huckabee's locomotive may lose steam in the final 24 hours.

I like Edwards better than I like the other 2 front runners, but one must never underestimate The Big O.

You will make Richardson very sad with your prediction of 5th place... he really wants at least a strong 4th.
 

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bokmeow said:
I would say, "don't underestimate the nutters," but you never know, it's possible that the religious conservatives may have grown tired of nominating, and electing, a pastor-in-chief (Bush for example) --- Huckabee's locomotive may lose steam in the final 24 hours.

I like Edwards better than I like the other 2 front runners, but one must never underestimate The Big O.

You will make Richardson very sad with your prediction of 5th place... he really wants at least a strong 4th.

I agree with you on Huckabee, I think he peaked too early and his supporters aren't going to want to take off of work on a cold, cold thursday to yell at their neighbors. the polls have him up front, and there's an excellent chance he'll win, but I still think Romney has the most stable and well organized campaign out there. You'd better believe every single LDS church member will be in those caucuses, and many of them are difficult to notice as they look just like humans (kidding!).

See I think Biden will clinch fourth and use it as leverage to come up much stronger in NH, maybe pull in a surprise 3rd place...he could then use that to clinch the Veep seat on a Barry or Hilldog ticket. Richardson can do it, but I think Joe's been doing more legwork than anyone in Iowa other than Edwards.

But, Edwards is still in this, he has the highest percentage of previous caucus-goers...if turnout is low he has a serious shot.
 

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The way I figure America these days, the worst possible candidate will win.

Giuliani has this whole thing in the bag.
 

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I agree, Rudy will fight thuh therrorisths and become Prethident of 9/11.
 

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BoriquaSNK said:
Dems:
1. Obama
2. Clinton
3. Edwards
4. Biden
5. Richardson

GOP:
1. Romney (by a pinch)
2. Huckabee
3. Thompson
4. McCain
5. Paul

What do you guys think? Am I way off base?

Edwards will probably do better than third. I expect some people panicking and voting for the white male.

Paul in fourth or third.

Love you Boriq.
 

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Rade said:
The way I figure America these days, the worst possible candidate will win.

Giuliani has this whole thing in the bag.

Well said. Frightening, but well said.
 

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I'm guessing from this thread support for Ron Paul is weak.

I watched some youtube videos of him (followed the link from a financial website) and thought he at least had a plan to deal with all the social spending deficits that could bankrupt the US (medicare, government pensions etc...): scrap them.

I guess that's a better position than to posture and ignore the problems. It will be interesting to see how far that agenda gets him.
 

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http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard

According to this goofy little site, it looks like you're going to have Rudy vs. Hillary.
Sorry democracy, better luck next time.


But this was the same site that claimed John Kerry was 4% in national polls I think....so take it for what its worth (ie: nothing).
 

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BC_Gambit said:
I'm guessing from this thread support for Ron Paul is weak.

I watched some youtube videos of him (followed the link from a financial website) and thought he at least had a plan to deal with all the social spending deficits that could bankrupt the US (medicare, government pensions etc...): scrap them.

I guess that's a better position than to posture and ignore the problems. It will be interesting to see how far that agenda gets him.

Yes, God knows Canada's ruinous healthcare system has destroyed your economy.

So tell me, how's the Canadian dollar doing? Can I have one?

I will not trust government to a man who believes it shouldn't exist. I mean, this is a guy who suggested that rather than fight the civil war to free the slaves, the North should have just BOUGHT them all.

Haha, are you serious?
 

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I keep forgetting that freeing the slaves is what the Civil War was about.
 

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Sp0o/\/?! said:
http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard

According to this goofy little site, it looks like you're going to have Rudy vs. Hillary.
Sorry democracy, better luck next time.


But this was the same site that claimed John Kerry was 4% in national polls I think....so take it for what its worth (ie: nothing).

Those are meaningless national polls, wait until after Iowa and NH and then check out the polls. It will be MUCH closer on the Dem side while the GOP is completely up in the air.

It's an exciting time for political junkies.

PS, Hillary would be an awesome Prez. I think some people here are deluded when they compare her to Rudy.
 

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EDIT: I really should edit the post above....but I deserve to just have it bite me in the ass instead.


I JUST researched Peter F. Paul briefly and now I almost LOVE the Clintons for ruining that guys life.

But still, committing crimes against a crook is still criminal no matter how you slice it.
 
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Sp0o/\/?! said:
BTW, the guy she defrauded was also a shitbag conman...but that doesn't negate my point that she's crooked.

Um, no, I'm not using this thread to bash the piss out of candidates, I'm responding to a typical Paultard who posts stupid youtube clips in a generic political thread.

Are you serious? The best you can come up with is a ridiculous conspiracy theory strummed up by a convicted felon?

In the middle of the stock market tech bubble, this idiot founds a production studio with Stan Lee's name on it and lies his way into a market cap of $400 million, they hire 165 people, run the company into the ground in UNDER A YEAR, and then use nominee accounts to shore up the stock price. Then, after the asshole gets caught, he says the President of the fucking United States is out to get him personally and is behind the destruction of his shitty company (Excelsi-oh no!)...he runs to Brazil and starts even more illegal money laundering operations.

So this misunderstood soul decides to steal money from Merrill Lynch to throw a party for the Clintons...which is attended by hundreds of perfectly honest people who donate money to Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign.

Obviously, this was a dubious trick on the part of Bill and Hillary Clinton, who despite being the two most powerful people in the world, were hell-bent on destroying the lives of this one, poor, defenseless, money laundering, investor defrauding, SEC violating douchebag. Good God Columbo, I think you're onto something.

Also, you're Canadian and you have no idea what you are talking about. Come down to Michigan and break your ankle or something, then you'll see first hand what freedom truly costs (roughly $600 in Hospital fees).

EDIT: I see you used this Google creation to actually do some research AFTER you went all "loose change" on us.
 

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StickmanLoser said:
I keep forgetting that freeing the slaves is what the Civil War was about.

Duh.

Remember in 1860 when Lincoln ran on an abolitionist platform?
 

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BoriquaSNK said:
Yes, God knows Canada's ruinous healthcare system has destroyed your economy.

So tell me, how's the Canadian dollar doing? Can I have one?

I will not trust government to a man who believes it shouldn't exist. I mean, this is a guy who suggested that rather than fight the civil war to free the slaves, the North should have just BOUGHT them all.

Haha, are you serious?

I didn't say I would necessarily vote for Ron Paul, but at least I admire his brass balls.

Most politicians when asked about their plans to "make medicare sustainable" (or insert target social program here) would defer or spin some meaningless answer.

To stand up and say I'd reform it by getting rid of that god damn socialist shit and cutting taxes is just a whole different league of play.
 

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BC_Gambit said:
I didn't say I would necessarily vote for Ron Paul, but at least I admire his brass balls.

Most politicians when asked about their plans to "make medicare sustainable" (or insert target social program here) would defer or spin some meaningless answer.

To stand up and say I'd reform it by getting rid of that god damn socialist shit and cutting taxes is just a whole different league of play.

Mike Gravel has been saying ballsier stuff for more than a year, actually it's damned near close to Paul in terms of policy. Yet he's considered the crackpot because he has no money, meanwhile Ron Paul gets away with the same exact platform plus being senile, a borderline racist, and a homophobe,

Let me make this clear, I like Ron Paul, I think his candidacy is exciting and revolutionary for young Republicans...I think all of the other GOP candidates are far worse than Paul because they could actually be elected. I honestly shudder to think what Giuliani would do to this country in order to appear strong. With Ron Paul, you have a man who has absolutely no understanding of American foreign policy and who has no viable domestic platform...but people give him money anyway and he gets an entertaining soapbox. Everyone wins.

This is exactly what I was afraid of, the entire thread turning into another Paul whackoff.

Back on topic, rumor out of the Biden and Richardson campaigns is that they too are throwing their support towards Obama in the event of a non viability vote (15% or less of the caucus).
 

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BoriquaSNK said:
meanwhile Ron Paul gets away with the same exact platform plus being senile, a borderline racist, and a homophobe,

Let me make this clear, I like Ron Paul

It's perfectly clear.
 

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In Mike Gravel's defense for the "crackpot" title he has stared down a camera before throwing a rock into a pond, done a music video with a director whose last project was about his love for tea spiked with lsd, and appeared on Red State Update in a Santa suit and spiked the punch.

I actually do like Mike Gravel.
 

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StickmanLoser said:
In Mike Gravel's defense for the "crackpot" title he has stared down a camera before throwing a rock into a pond, done a music video with a director whose last project was about his love for tea spiked with lsd, and appeared on Red State Update in a Santa suit and spiked the punch.

I actually do like Mike Gravel.

Mike Gravel is funny as hell, and he's a prime example of a politician who's literally fallen off his rocker.

Way back when, he was a competent, adored, fearless liberal senator from a state that thought liberals were communists. I mean, this is the guy who got the Pentagon papers published for God's sake.

From this:

mike-gravel-3-sized.jpg


To this:

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BC_Gambit said:
I didn't say I would necessarily vote for Ron Paul, but at least I admire his brass balls.

You know why he has such "brass balls"?
No chance of winning. Seriously, it's the greatest elixir for a politician. If he can't win, he says exactly what he wants. It isn't ballsy, it's that there is NO RISK.

Show me a politician who tells you the truth, and I'll show you one whose electoral chances are irretrievably in the gutter. Ron Paul gets to make noise, trot out a libertarian fantasy roster of ideas that will NEVER BE APPROVED BY CONGRESS, and people who aren't politically informed get all excited and start flushing their money down the internet toilet. It's a wonderful process.
 

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Loopz said:
You know why he has such "brass balls"?
No chance of winning. Seriously, it's the greatest elixir for a politician. If he can't win, he says exactly what he wants. It isn't ballsy, it's that there is NO RISK.

Show me a politician who tells you the truth, and I'll show you one whose electoral chances are irretrievably in the gutter. Ron Paul gets to make noise, trot out a libertarian fantasy roster of ideas that will NEVER BE APPROVED BY CONGRESS, and people who aren't politically informed get all excited and start flushing their money down the internet toilet. It's a wonderful process.

QFT

Good lord man, you spelled it out perfectly.
 
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