My new toy (Bushmaster Law Enforcement M4 A3 Type Carbine)!

BJMFH · Jul 17, 2005

I was in USMC infantry a few years back and have always wanted to get back into shooting. I am not a "gun person" so I had no idea that the assault weapons ban of 1994 had been repealed. I was talking to a buddy of mine and he thinks that the ban is going to go back into effect very soon. I figured if I wanted an assault rifle, now was the time.

Sorry about the bad pic; I've never figured out how to work the camera. Anyone else into guns?

Lagduf · Jul 17, 2005

Nice.

There are plenty of gun people hanging around on these forums. Merc, myself, hellion - just to name a few.

I haven't heard much on the reinstatement of the semi-automatic assault weapons ban. Hope that doesn't happen again soon, as it was more or less worthless anyway in keeping "assault weapons" from the general public anyway.

Darklighterx · Jul 18, 2005

Heh, a Bushmaster. Nice looking gun! Any reason in particular as to why you chose a Bushmaster?
Is this model full auto? If so, what is the rate of fire? How light is it?
I ask because I've mostly used and fired Colts all my life.

galfordo · Jul 18, 2005

I seriously doubt that it's full auto - they're illegal unless you've got a class III firearms license.

Anyway, that's a nice looking rifle, although I kind of doubt that the assault weapons ban will be renewed anytime soon.

HellioN · Jul 18, 2005

galfordo said:
I seriously doubt that it's full auto - they're illegal unless you've got a class III firearms license.

Anyway, that's a nice looking rifle, although I kind of doubt that the assault weapons ban will be renewed anytime soon.

Not true.
If your state alows private ownership of MGs any law abiding citizen can get one.
A thorough back ground check & A $200 tax stamp are all that is really needed...And some patience, It takes about 6 months.
Now this sounds dandy and all but you have to figure in that A "cheap" MG goes for about $5000 - $6000.
Regestered M-16 receivers just broke the $10,000 mark A while back.
The prices will only go up thanks to the '86 MG ban.
You can kind of see my Dissipater in my sig but here is A link to A bigger picture,
http://www.geocities.com/shiro128c@sbcglobal.net/Hellion_Dissy.jpg

ETA: Nice rifle BTW.

galfordo · Jul 18, 2005

HellioN said:
Not true.
If your state alows private ownership of MGs any law abiding citizen can get one.
A thorough back ground check & A $200 tax stamp are all that is really needed...And some patience, It takes about 6 months.

That sounds like a best-case scenario. In many cases, you have to get the permission of the local sheriff in your area, and provide justification for ownership of a machine gun. And considering that lots of cops of complete thugs, personally I'd be uncomfortable with something like that.

HellioN · Jul 18, 2005

galfordo said:
That sounds like a best-case scenario. In many cases, you have to get the permission of the local sheriff in your area, and provide justification for ownership of a machine gun. And considering that lots of cops of complete thugs, personally I'd be uncomfortable with something like that.

Again not quite so.
Permission as you call it is actually recognition.
Tho he can deny you he MUST have just cause to.
Now it might be A bit different where you are But around here, so long as you check out ok, you will get A signature.
I have never hand to ge 'justification' for any firearms purchase.
When they ask why I want it I simply tell them "It is my right" or "Because I can".
& the line about most cops are thugs...I do not agree.
Most Police I have ever encounterd are quite formal & friendly.

shirt · Jul 18, 2005

Too bad the lifting of the ban is worthless if you live in CA.
I just want ONE RIFLE. ONE.
My friend is going to build me an AK while he's out of state but I won't be getting it for over 3 months.

Ely13 · Jul 18, 2005

shirt said:
Too bad the lifting of the ban is worthless if you live in CA.

Why's that? I ask this in complete honesty, as I don't really keep up with gun control laws in CA.

I'm thinking of picking up a USP or M1911 sometime next year, though I'm still mixed on it.

HellioN · Jul 18, 2005

CA has A state level ban on assault weapons.
It has the same rules as the '94 AWB plus some extra strict rules tagged on.
The Death of the Federal ban has no effect on CA's state ban.

Shirt,
Might not want to do that.
The AK in any config is banned in Calli.
Bringing that into CA could spell BIG trouble for you & your friend.

shirt · Jul 18, 2005

HellioN said:
Shirt,
Might not want to do that.
The AK in any config is banned in Calli.
Bringing that into CA could spell BIG trouble for you & your friend.

We'll see. I'll tell him you said so and make sure he still wants to do it. I'm pretty fucking fed up though.
But, since it's being built from scratch, there is no way to prove that it's post-ban.
Also, pump AKs (as retarded as they are) are legal, I saw some at a local gun show.

Mike Shagohod · Jul 18, 2005

BJMFH said:
I was in USMC infantry a few years back and have always wanted to get back into shooting. I am not a "gun person" so I had no idea that the assault weapons ban of 1994 had been repealed. I was talking to a buddy of mine and he thinks that the ban is going to go back into effect very soon. I figured if I wanted an assault rifle, now was the time.

Sorry about the bad pic; I've never figured out how to work the camera. Anyone else into guns?

I'd love to share in your celebration but all I see is a red X instead of a picture.

Been "into" firearms since I was 2 yrs of age (about the time my father helped me aim and hold up a .22 lever action Winchester he'd bought for me when I was 3 months old), and had been attending black powder muzzle loader shoots & rendezvous up in Minnesota @ 6 months because my dad was into all of that outside of his military service. Began my official training with firearms at age 8 and have spent more time with more guns than most will ever see in a lifetime. I know about 25 military assault rifles like the back of my hand, a few MGs here or there and about 12 different SMGs... and through it all the three firearms I'd stake my life on (IMO being the most durable/reliable) are

M-1 Garand
Kalishnikova AK-47
.30WCF M-94 (Model 1894 Lever Action Winchester)

...besides a .45 ACP Colt that's all a man really needs. But if you can only have one, then a damn good shotgun is the way to go.

HellioN said:
Not true.
If your state alows private ownership of MGs any law abiding citizen can get one.
A thorough back ground check & A $200 tax stamp are all that is really needed...And some patience, It takes about 6 months.
Now this sounds dandy and all but you have to figure in that A "cheap" MG goes for about $5000 - $6000.
Regestered M-16 receivers just broke the $10,000 mark A while back.
The prices will only go up thanks to the '86 MG ban.
You can kind of see my Dissipater in my sig but here is A link to A bigger picture,
http://www.geocities.com/shiro128c@sbcglobal.net/Hellion_Dissy.jpg

ETA: Nice rifle BTW.

I didn't know that about the MGs. I was always under the impression you HAD to have a Class III FFL. Interesting. Maybe I'll buy me that MG-42 (or 34) I was looking at a few months back then. But I'd rather fund my Indie film with that money though. Usually for fully automatic fire I have found that it's not worth paying all that money. I can't speak for an MG but on your average assault rifle the AUTO BURST works nicely indeed. I wouldn't call it "True" Autofire in the classic sense, but it's rapid fire pleanty to me. I like the fact I can simply attatch it to my AK-47, or take it off without ever having to do any internal modifications to it.

MERCENARY X99

Lagduf · Jul 18, 2005

If you're not sure about the legality of something in your area, then please don't press your luck! Owning illegal weapons and certain firearms without proper licenses will result in a stiff penalty. In most cases we're talking about extended jail time. Don't go to jail for being stupid.

As for general firearm laws here is a good place to start:

http://www.atf.gov/dcof/index.htm

Here you can order FOR FREE forms, and publications relating to gun ownership/gun laws direct from the ATF.

In the right frame click on "Publications" and make sure you at least get the following:

Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide
State Laws and Published Ordinances-Firearms

I repeat, these are free! The ATF sent these to me via FedEx and i got them about 3 days after i placed an order. The Federal Firearms Reference guide definitely set me straight about what was and was not considered a semi-automatic assault weapon. Good thing the ban is over now anyway

Safe shooting guys!

shirt · Jul 18, 2005

Lagduf said:
If you're not sure about the legality of something in your area, then please don't press your luck! Owning illegal weapons and certain firearms without proper licenses will result in a stiff penalty. In most cases we're talking about extended jail time. Don't go to jail for being stupid.

As for general firearm laws here is a good place to start:

http://www.atf.gov/dcof/index.htm

Here you can order FOR FREE forms, and publications relating to gun ownership/gun laws direct from the ATF.

In the right frame click on "Publications" and make sure you at least get the following:

Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide
State Laws and Published Ordinances-Firearms

I repeat, these are free! The ATF sent these to me via FedEx and i got them about 3 days after i placed an order. The Federal Firearms Reference guide definitely set me straight about what was and was not considered a semi-automatic assault weapon. Good thing the ban is over now anyway

Safe shooting guys!

Yeah yeah. I pretty much loathe my state and am eager to get out. But in the meantime I'm really not willing to settle for something like an M1A for instance. Oh, I can get something with a pistol grip, but it has to have a fucking fixed 10 round mag.

I am going to do my damndest to get around this somehow without getting in trouble.

HellioN · Jul 18, 2005

shirt said:
Yeah yeah. I pretty much loathe my state and am eager to get out. But in the meantime I'm really not willing to settle for something like an M1A for instance. Oh, I can get something with a pistol grip, but it has to have a fucking fixed 10 round mag.

I am going to do my damndest to get around this somehow without getting in trouble.

Not in CA you won't.
They hate people like you.
As far as that AK peing post ban or what ever it does not matter.
Part of CA's law states that all AW must have been registered by A certen date (I can not remember when but it is long past).
Any un-regestered AWs in CA will win you 10 years I do beleive.
If you want them now, Move.
If you can wait, Get some gun freindly folks elected to office & try and get the laws changed.

MERC,
http://www.geocities.com/shiro128c@sbcglobal.net/colt1911.jpg
My baby. (Yes it is A Colt.)

shirt · Jul 18, 2005

HellioN said:
Not in CA you won't.
They hate people like you.
As far as that AK peing post ban or what ever it does not matter.
Part of CA's law states that all AW must have been registered by A certen date (I can not remember when but it is long past).
Any un-regestered AWs in CA will win you 10 years I do beleive.
If you want them now, Move.
If you can wait, Get some gun freindly folks elected to office & try and get the laws changed.

MERC,
http://www.geocities.com/shiro128c@sbcglobal.net/colt1911.jpg
My baby. (Yes it is A Colt.)

The backwards bullshit of my state is world famous. I have no confidence that anybody will ever see fit to change anything.

BJMFH · Jul 18, 2005

Darklighterx said:
Heh, a Bushmaster. Nice looking gun! Any reason in particular as to why you chose a Bushmaster?
Is this model full auto? If so, what is the rate of fire? How light is it?
I ask because I've mostly used and fired Colts all my life.

Sorry about the crappy, but free, domain dlx free hosting server. I'm only allowed 100 megs for 24 hours.

The name bushmaster does rule though doesn't it (for obvious reasons)? No, it's not fully auto. Even though it is the law enforcement model, it's not fully auto.

In the marines I had the chance to fire just about every fully auto firearm the military uses today. With a few notable exceptions most fully auto guns are only useful for laying down a surpressing blanket of bullets and taking out area targets. In Vietnam the troops used the fully auto M16A1 and wasted millions of rounds. That's why in the mid 80's the military adopted the M16A2 which was not fully auto but could be fired in semi-auto or 3 round burst. The troops, as a result, were far more accurate and conserved ammo at the same time.I prefer shooting a semi auto rifle as opposed to fully auto model. I'm far more accurate. One shot, one kill!

The funny thing is, I walked into the store planning on purchasing a Colt, because like you said, it's all I've ever really fired as well. The people in the shop let me fire both weapons, the bushmaster and the colt. The bushmaster felt better and had a slightly smoother action. The bushmaster had a more heavy duty barrel and came with the izzy flash surpressor. They're practically the same gun though. The shop owners and several other people at the shooting range explained to me that Colt is kinda like the Harley Davidson of guns; you're just paying more money for the name. The price for the law enforcement version of the Colt was around 1500 and the Bushmaster was 1100. That kinda sealed the deal for me right there. I figure I'd rather buy a slightly better gun for 400 less than a name brand gun. I'm not paying a 100 dollars for each letter (c-o-l-t=400 bucks more). Don't get me wrong, Colt still makes a damn fine gun; you're just paying a premium for the name.

Here are the spec's on the gun.

CALIBER: 5.56mm (.223 Rem)
METHOD OF OPERATION: Gas; Direct system; Locking bolt
MAGAZINE CAPACITY: 30 rounds
WEIGHT W/O MAGAZINE: 5.9 lb (2.68 kg)
LENGTH (stock retracted): 29.8 in (75.7 cm)
LENGTH (stock extended): 33 in (83.8 cm)
BARREL LENGTH: 14.5 in (36.8 cm)
MUZZLE VELOCITY: 2900 ft/sec (884 m/sec)
EFFECTIVE RANGE: 600 m
FRONT SIGHT: Adjustable front
REAR SIGHT :Target sight adjustable for windage and elevation
RATE OF FIRE: 700 - 950 rpm

I put about 1000 rounds through it yesterday and it didn't jam once. It's so lightweight, compact. and handles like a dream. I've ordered a 100 round dual snail Beta drum magazine so I can really put down some serious firepower and not have to worry about reloading. I love my gun!

HellioN · Jul 18, 2005

Wow $1100.
I built mine for $535.

galfordo · Jul 18, 2005

HellioN said:
Wow $1100.
I built mine for $535.

You built one? How do you go about doing that? Are they much cheaper if you just buy individual parts, or is there more to it?

HellioN · Jul 18, 2005

galfordo said:
You built one? How do you go about doing that? Are they much cheaper if you just buy individual parts, or is there more to it?

It depends on the parts you use.
I bought A new manufacture receiver for $100.
Colt upper rec I bought used localy for like $75 or so.
standard DPMS bolt/carrier was $115.
DPMS lower parts kit was like $80 or so.
A1 length stock...I don't remember.
Had A smith help me put it together as I don't have the tools to do it properly with.
Over all it's not to difficult.
The AR-15 pretty much assembels it self.
For more info go to www.ar15.com and click the info library link at the left of the page.
Not all the info is there but you get the jist of it.

Darklighterx · Jul 25, 2005

BJMFH said:
Sorry about the crappy, but free, domain dlx free hosting server. I'm only allowed 100 megs for 24 hours.

The name bushmaster does rule though doesn't it (for obvious reasons)? No, it's not fully auto. Even though it is the law enforcement model, it's not fully auto.

In the marines I had the chance to fire just about every fully auto firearm the military uses today. With a few notable exceptions most fully auto guns are only useful for laying down a surpressing blanket of bullets and taking out area targets. In Vietnam the troops used the fully auto M16A1 and wasted millions of rounds. That's why in the mid 80's the military adopted the M16A2 which was not fully auto but could be fired in semi-auto or 3 round burst. The troops, as a result, were far more accurate and conserved ammo at the same time.I prefer shooting a semi auto rifle as opposed to fully auto model. I'm far more accurate. One shot, one kill!

The funny thing is, I walked into the store planning on purchasing a Colt, because like you said, it's all I've ever really fired as well. The people in the shop let me fire both weapons, the bushmaster and the colt. The bushmaster felt better and had a slightly smoother action. The bushmaster had a more heavy duty barrel and came with the izzy flash surpressor. They're practically the same gun though. The shop owners and several other people at the shooting range explained to me that Colt is kinda like the Harley Davidson of guns; you're just paying more money for the name. The price for the law enforcement version of the Colt was around 1500 and the Bushmaster was 1100. That kinda sealed the deal for me right there. I figure I'd rather buy a slightly better gun for 400 less than a name brand gun. I'm not paying a 100 dollars for each letter (c-o-l-t=400 bucks more). Don't get me wrong, Colt still makes a damn fine gun; you're just paying a premium for the name.

Here are the spec's on the gun.

CALIBER: 5.56mm (.223 Rem)
METHOD OF OPERATION: Gas; Direct system; Locking bolt
MAGAZINE CAPACITY: 30 rounds
WEIGHT W/O MAGAZINE: 5.9 lb (2.68 kg)
LENGTH (stock retracted): 29.8 in (75.7 cm)
LENGTH (stock extended): 33 in (83.8 cm)
BARREL LENGTH: 14.5 in (36.8 cm)
MUZZLE VELOCITY: 2900 ft/sec (884 m/sec)
EFFECTIVE RANGE: 600 m
FRONT SIGHT: Adjustable front
REAR SIGHT :Target sight adjustable for windage and elevation
RATE OF FIRE: 700 - 950 rpm

I put about 1000 rounds through it yesterday and it didn't jam once. It's so lightweight, compact. and handles like a dream. I've ordered a 100 round dual snail Beta drum magazine so I can really put down some serious firepower and not have to worry about reloading. I love my gun!

Thanks, I may look into the 'Bush' then.

HellioN · Jul 25, 2005

Darklighterx said:
Thanks, I may look into the 'Bush' then.

Father has 2 of them.
Exelent rifles.

shirt · Jul 25, 2005

Robinson M96, amazing rifle, and talking to people who own it I can just slap a Fal pistol grip on it.

Can't afford it right away, but as of now I plan to get one of these.

HellioN · Jul 25, 2005

shirt said:
Robinson M96, amazing rifle, and talking to people who own it I can just slap a Fal pistol grip on it.

Can't afford it right away, but as of now I plan to get one of these.

The new ones are good stuff.
The old ones had problems with "launching barrels".
Again Shirt,.CA + Pistol grip = :shame:

But who is to say buy it now, Move then attach it later?

shirt · Jul 25, 2005

HellioN said:
But who is to say buy it now, Move then attach it later?

Yep, exactly.

But when you get to the point where all it takes is a screwdriver and 30 seconds to make a rifle legal, I start to doubt the probability of getting in trouble. My main worry would be some nosy do gooder douchebag at a range who decides it's his duty to report me.

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