3rd Strike - Lag?

SNKJorge · Jul 12, 2005

Wes, Galfordo, all the 3rd Strike LIVE playas, how often do you
get lag on this game? percentage of out of 100% would be nice.
I have a good connection. Just wondering, to see if I can make
decision and start playing it online.....

kiun · Jul 12, 2005

I would say 80% if you are playing against US players.

"Macho Man" Butta Supremo · Jul 12, 2005

Against US players I rarely get lag, at least noticably.

LWK · Jul 12, 2005

In all online games, expect lag all the time. I can play with or without lag, but realize that the better/longer combos you have take a beating online. IE in 2002: I never get my vanessa 100%'s and I can only clear like 70-80% with yamazaki online, as opposed to the dpD hcb a/b/c d rush in sC BC sC re-opener. It just becomes hard because alot of the things I like are tough offline when it comes to timing, online because of lag/delay the timing is always ever changing. The game loves to freeze for short time periods when you enter max. (yay, ugh)

I can't even phathom playing the III series online because of all the stuff I like offline. What if I miss Ken's bmk to shippu jinrai kyaku? Maybe its not a big deal, I don't really play it online. From my personal experience though, KOF is gonna really piss people off when it hits live. Athena in 2002 is super good online because of zoning, rushdown, projectile zoning. All kinds of ridiculous shit that becomes incredibly difficult to work around online. Simple because her game is very solid on all fronts, she can take to air, she can control floored people, she can teleport behind your laggy ass when beat you down when your facing back. These things require alot of prediction that takes a beating.

Realize its not simple lag thats a bitch, is the higher delay lag that ruins the experience sometimes. Don't worry though, eventually you'll roll with it. It won't make a good mai, athena or choi any easier to fight. I give people a real bitch of a time with choi sometimes. Make sure you got a good dpA whore or the like.

Mai and athena I have no strategy with.

If you wanna be a real cunt, use mai, athena and choi exclusively. And get mad good with them, you wont ever loose.

"Macho Man" Butta Supremo · Jul 12, 2005

Live isn't nearly as bad as Kaillera or whatever it's called.

LWK · Jul 12, 2005

buttasuperb said:
Live isn't nearly as bad as Kaillera or whatever it's called.

how can it be any different though? Isnt it the same idea with a cleaner look. I'm retarded to how live works any different, help appreciated..

"Macho Man" Butta Supremo · Jul 12, 2005

Lord Wolfgang Krauser said:
how can it be any different though? Isnt it the same idea with a cleaner look. I'm retarded to how live works any different, help appreciated..

All I know is every time I tried Kaillera, it sucked.

I'm sure the xbl games are written with much better netcode or whatever.

At least some of them, GGXX is laaaag city, and I hope KoF02/03 is better that SvC.

Garou[ryu] · Jul 12, 2005

lag is lag man...... In my experience it varies on the game to game. Sometimes i get great connections ( i play k groove in cvs2 and timeing need to be on hit) where it seems im playing with someone in the same room...and other times its fucking horrible!

from what i hear about live the more people playing means less lag....i read some article about halo 2 that said halo 2 runs better with the more people who are online.

after all is said and done i would say live is well worth it if your a 2d fighting game fan!!!! :buttrock:

!!!!! on the other hand i have never played any other fighting game match up service????

SonGohan · Jul 12, 2005

Out of 100%, I probably get lag somewhere around 15% of the games I play. XBL is a lot better than Kaillera.

galfordo · Jul 12, 2005

You always get lag, it's really just a question of how much, how often. Playing 3rd Strike online will never be the same as playing someone sitting right next to you. The timing in a game like 3rd Strike is just so critical that any little bit of lag changes the experience, particularly if your style of play depends on split second timing. Thankfully, I'm pretty much a 3rd Strike n00b, so it's not really all that big of a tragedy when I get screwed up by lag. My timing is pretty weak on or offline. :kekeke:

Anyway, I personally will get medium lag around 20-25% of the time. By medium, I mean lag that has a substantial effect on gameplay and pretty much makes parrying consistently an impossibility.

So yeah, it'll never be quite the same, but it's worth it just to be able have people to play against and be challenged. Although you will have to deal with punk ass droppers, shit-talking 12 yr. olds, and lag whores. It takes some getting used to, since there are tactics that work with slight lag that might otherwise get murderkilled, but all in all it's worth it I'd say.

LWK · Jul 12, 2005

Damn thanks for the help.

Haha I just wish me and Wes were still friends, ashame where things went.

Anyways, if I get on live it will be strictly kof for me. In the SFIII series I'd get fucking killed online, my parry's are very very mediocre. I should invest more time into parrying. I'm not the greatest player ever and my only decent character is stupid ken.

genjiglove · Jul 12, 2005

I don't play anymore, but I don't remember ever having a match where it was completely lag free. But most matches (at least with n-g.com members) were still playable 95% of the time I'd say. I've played random people with horrible connections though. I would usually try to play people from this site most of the time. It's funner playing someone you halfway know at least.

LWK · Jul 12, 2005

genjiglove said:
I don't play anymore, but I don't remember ever having a match where it was completely lag free. But most matches (at least with n-g.com members) were still playable 95% of the time I'd say. I've played random people with horrible connections though. I would usually try to play people from this site most of the time. It's funner playing someone you halfway know at least.

I agree, I play people within my circle of know alot more then others. Like the hispanic crew im a part of called team maniak, used to play LAngel and the like.... all them dudes are cool as hell. To many people on mame are serious assholes. I was gonna play this one dude and he started saying he was the best and shit before we even started playing. Wtf is that shit.

There is only one dude who would shit talk that could seriously back it up, and he was so far ahead of me in skill that he deserved to be a dick. I use a few of my chars in a rip off fashion of how he plays.

2002 is a good game, but idiot chars like athena make the damn game so unfun online, they just dominate. She is like the yun of kof + more problems entirely because of ridiculous zoning.

Fuck it, I'm glad shes good anyways, I'd never have bothered learning choi if she wasnt there.

"Macho Man" Butta Supremo · Jul 12, 2005

Lord Wolfgang Krauser said:
Anyways, if I get on live it will be strictly kof for me. In the SFIII series I'd get fucking killed online, my parry's are very very mediocre. I should invest more time into parrying. I'm not the greatest player ever and my only decent character is stupid ken.

My parry isn't that great either. And I'm not a particularly solid or sharp fighting game player anyways, but it's still fun. You'll find someone with a similar skill level as you and have fun sets. Shit I think me and Wes played to a 23-23 tie once, good times.

You'll also run into people much better than you (I lost to Kiun 17-3 once) but the challenge of having to work your ass off to get a win is koll too.

LWK · Jul 12, 2005

buttasuperb said:
My parry isn't that great either. And I'm not a particularly solid or sharp fighting game player anyways, but it's still fun. You'll find someone with a similar skill level as you and have fun sets. Shit I think me and Wes played to a 23-23 tie once, good times.

You'll also run into people much better than you (I lost to Kiun 17-3 once) but the challenge of having to work your ass off to get a win is koll too.

I'd have to really clean up my game. I'm actually a 2I player before TS. Something as simple as two button throws and hops are something I gotta re-integrate into my game.

Average Joe · Jul 13, 2005

Lord Wolfgang Krauser said:
how can it be any different though? Isnt it the same idea with a cleaner look. I'm retarded to how live works any different, help appreciated..

After playing on Live for a bit, I can honestly say there's not that big of a difference in terms of lag from that found on Kaillera.

Sometime it's there a lot.

Sometimes it's there a little.

And sometimes it's not there at all.

I was honestly expecting some huge jump in connection quality on Live, but up until now, I've yet to see any notable difference.

SNKJorge · Jul 13, 2005

Thanks for all the comments everybody, will take into consideration your
thoughts.

Lord Wolfgang Krauser said:
In all online games, expect lag all the time. I can play with or without lag, but realize that the better/longer combos you have take a beating online. IE in 2002: I never get my vanessa 100%'s and I can only clear like 70-80% with yamazaki online, as opposed to the dpD hcb a/b/c d rush in sC BC sC re-opener. It just becomes hard because alot of the things I like are tough offline when it comes to timing, online because of lag/delay the timing is always ever changing. The game loves to freeze for short time periods when you enter max. (yay, ugh)

I can't even phathom playing the III series online because of all the stuff I like offline. What if I miss Ken's bmk to shippu jinrai kyaku? Maybe its not a big deal, I don't really play it online. From my personal experience though, KOF is gonna really piss people off when it hits live. Athena in 2002 is super good online because of zoning, rushdown, projectile zoning. All kinds of ridiculous shit that becomes incredibly difficult to work around online. Simple because her game is very solid on all fronts, she can take to air, she can control floored people, she can teleport behind your laggy ass when beat you down when your facing back. These things require alot of prediction that takes a beating.

Realize its not simple lag thats a bitch, is the higher delay lag that ruins the experience sometimes. Don't worry though, eventually you'll roll with it. It won't make a good mai, athena or choi any easier to fight. I give people a real bitch of a time with choi sometimes. Make sure you got a good dpA whore or the like.

Mai and athena I have no strategy with.

If you wanna be a real cunt, use mai, athena and choi exclusively. And get mad good with them, you wont ever loose.

I get your point, however this thread was intended for 3rd Strike on XBox LIVE,
not KOF on Kaillera, or whatever it's called.

LWK · Jul 13, 2005

xtoo_short20x said:
Thanks for all the comments everybody, will take into consideration your
thoughts.

I get your point, however this thread was intended for 3rd Strike on XBox LIVE,
not KOF on Kaillera, or whatever it's called.

Its the same idea, just takes those concepts and attach them to X game. One game I could probably never play online is vampire savior.

Magician · Jul 13, 2005

Out of the hundreds of matches I've played I really remember two or three occurrences when lag was detrimental to my match and a handful of times where lag caused a "hiccup" mid-round but was a one time thing and didn't affect the match.

Common lag, no. Uncommon, sure. Rare, no.

SonGohan · Jul 13, 2005

Lord Wolfgang Krauser said:
how can it be any different though? Isnt it the same idea with a cleaner look. I'm retarded to how live works any different, help appreciated..

Lag is lag, but more factors come into play when doing Kaillera. CPU performance, resources, and sharing your bandwidth in the background affect stable matches on Kaillera. From playing both extensively, I have far better matches on XBL than Kaillera, but this is not saying that Kaillera is unplayable. It's just a bit harder to find a clean connection between two people.

Also, you don't have to put up with dickheads on XBL crashing your game. The stats are cool (although unreliable via droppers), the friends list is cool, being able to talk is an added bonus, and overall it just feels better.

LWK · Jul 14, 2005

Wes said:
Lag is lag, but more factors come into play when doing Kaillera. CPU performance, resources, and sharing your bandwidth in the background affect stable matches on Kaillera. From playing both extensively, I have far better matches on XBL than Kaillera, but this is not saying that Kaillera is unplayable. It's just a bit harder to find a clean connection between two people.

Also, you don't have to put up with dickheads on XBL crashing your game. The stats are cool (although unreliable via droppers), the friends list is cool, being able to talk is an added bonus, and overall it just feels better.

The issue I have with online gaming is bad belief. If someone complains now, I find it easier to side with them. Considering the BS I've gotten I can totally see there position.

The sucky thing is the second something goes wrong from lag, you gotta teach yourself to just 'let it go' so you can continue to play properly. 90% of my game is confidence and patience. Its really the only damn way you can be when you play someone you know is better then you are. If I let myself get even slightly frustrated, my performance just drags from that point on. You also succumb to stuff and purposely play bad because you get angry at yourself.
I'll stop rambling..

Anyways, I'd probably not be keen on talking, I dont like how my voice sounds through speakers of any kind. Thats kind of a nice feature though because you can tell the person who talks shit to go fuck themselves in real time.

If I get on live, I really dont care if lags as much as mame. My connection has somehow gotten so perfectly steady that its always clean now. My ping is amazing. Maybe one of the neighbors dumped cable.

BTW, you should check kaillera out now, there are so many nicer servers then before. You'd find you'll have better matches. Just realize if you play KOF 2002, some chars shine like crazy with the smallest form of lag. I can get my max's online though, so it really isnt that bad. Just a smidge off, the delay wont matter because its so slight that it doesnt seem to effect me much. The biggest issue I have is doing short hops to quickly and instead of a CX, I get a standing attack. Perfect example is my choi doing a sC instead of cx sC, hcb B, sA etc.

ken_dong · Jul 14, 2005

3rd strike on xbox live is very well done, imo.

I also played svc chaos on live and... well, dunno why, but I always get lag... -_-

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