Division sold me a faulty MS1! *RESOLVED*

SuperPang

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Mods: I know this should really be in feedback but I’d appreciate it if this could stay here a while as a lot of people are dealing with this guy and I could do with some opinions on what to do and some advice on the fault as well.

Right, I’ve given you plenty of warning Division but you continue to ignore my pms and email so you leave me no choice.

I recently bought (well part-traded) Division's Japanese Metal Slug 1 home cart. Division shipped promptly and comms were good. I had a bit of an issue with him describing the cart as
”excellent and not near mint because it has faint insertion marks, not bad at all….There are no large cart scratches, just a few very minor ones typical of a NM cart.”
But we resolved this with a few pms.

However, when I come to try out the cart, it has sound glitches. These start with the 5 "cymbal" notes on the how to play screen being replaced with long flat notes that shouldn't be there. Then, from the second level onwards, other parts of the music are scrambled with a bizarre hiccupping type sound. This is a very weird fault indeed, but I have heard the exact same thing before, on a conversion. Tarma can verify this as he sold me it, and he can also verify he didn't notice it when briefly testing it, but they were there and they were serious. I have cleaned contacts but, as before, it won't go away.
Tarma sorted things out amicably as he is a fine seller. Division has not. He has completely ignored pms and email since I told him about this. I've been reasonable as I know first hand it's a fault that can be missed, but it's there and I don't want the cart because of it. Discussing negligible scratches is one thing, but this is serious.

The fault also raises the (already discussed) issue of "is this a conversion". People questioned Divisions MS1 before due to the board colours. Personally that didn't worry me as I'd seen board pics and others, and I thought I'd be able to tell by touch. Division also gave me his word we could reverse the deal if it proved to be a boot.
These sound issues make me more suspicious as I've seen the same thing before on a conversion but then again, there's the possibility it’s a fault conversions can inherit from originals. To be honest, that's no longer the issue. Even if this is legit, it's faulty and no good to me.

I've even offered to send the cart to Ryan from JGN as a reputable third party to confirm the sound fault and compare the game to his originals to see if it's a conversion but Division still ignores me. He's been on the forum daily with no contact.

Division - If you don't want to reply to me, at least reply here to defend your name. You've had good feedback so far but you leave me no choice. I am not going to shut up and be left with a duff cart here. I've tried to settle this sensibly but be warned, people round here don't like to be screwed around with costly deals like this and I will get my money back one way or another.

If anyone has any advice or experiences with similar faults with MS1 please share.
 
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johnno15

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That shits fuck up I hope this prick sorts it out theres been to much of the type of shit recently :oh_no:
 

Rot

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DAMN! This does suck...

SuperPang said:
The fault also raises the (already discussed) issue of "is this a conversion". People questioned Divisions MS1 before due to the board colours.

Hi there boys and girls...

Rot here... anyway, I was the first person to agree to buy Divisions MS 1 Jap AES cart.

Well, I'm the cautious fekker and so I started this thread:

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99371

Well, to cut a long story short... a good friend of mine pm'ed me and suggested that the boards on Division's MS 1 were "white" and not the Standard "Green"... EVEN tho the pics on Division's website shows pics of a green board...

eerr.. white boards = teh likelihood that the Cart is a Boot...

I of course contacted Division and asked if he could verify the authenticity of the cart for me...

Next thing I know... he puts the cart back for trade/sale and sells to Superpang...

I was quite surprised as I still would've taken the MS 1 of his as long as he confirmed it wasn't a fekkin boot... Actual Pics of the board would've done... its not an unreasonable request I feel... ESPECIALLY if your just about to spend/trade $1300 usd...

I understand that most people aren't TOO happy when you suggest that he's selling boots... but if he wasn't a noob seller on the forums and someone I trusted like 2point0, Snake-Eye's, Bulletnyourbutt ;) or Lastblade... etc etc... (Too many to mention)... It really wouldn't have been that much of an issue

Most reasonable guys would've bent over backwards to prove the authenticity of a high value cart...

I'm not implying Division is a scammer yet.... BUT it is looking pretty fekkin bad...

I hope things get sorted for you SuperPang matey.

Your Ng.com Vietnamese Alcoholic.
 

RGP

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Wasn’t Division looking for a Metal slug collection just days after your trade? Although I think he now edited that post this morning to cover his tracks
 

SuperPang

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I've discussed with Paypal and I have very good grounds for a chargeback, especially if it proves to be a bootleg. Failing that I'm sure my credit card company would have something to say and I'm not afraid to make enquiries with the police either. He still owes me a Garou on top of that though.
Division, get in touch, I'm still willing to sort this out politely.
 

Rot

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True...

realgameplay said:
Wasn’t Division looking for a Metal slug collection just days after your trade? Although I think he now edited that post this morning to cover his tracks

Yeah... he advertised it on his sig as well.... STRAIGHT after he sold the MS 1... I thought that was a bit dodgy....

**Note: 3 Posts in one day... I R A S P A M M I N H O E !
 

Phix

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Yeah i noticed the fact that he was asking for the slugs in his sig i did think it was odd at the time .
Bad news indeed i really hope you get it sorted
 

NeoLord

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I wish you nothing but the best, SuperPang. I was interested in some of Division's cartridges, but the post you made in his selling thread made me suspicious. It'll be a cold day in hell before I would ever buy anything from him, especially after reading this thread. Some people are real works of art aren't they?
 
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moonwhistle

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So is someone going to open the cartridge and find out for sure if it's legit?
 

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Darn, I hope it all works out for you. It is nothing worse than getting scammed on an expensive NG home cartridge....
 

Zayon

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Well, I suppose I should say that I got my KOF2003 (and the added FFS) and it was in bloody good shape too. However, this does sound fishy indeed. I'm happy I didnt have any problems and I wish you the best of luck too SuperPang.
 

Division

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What we have here boys is a huge case of buyers remorse. This guy got his cart in exactly the condition I described. Yet I get PM's after PM's complaining about a few small cart scratches. Well he very well knew about it, and even when he described them back to me it was exactly what I have written on my site. I described the Insert as NM, the manual as NM, and the cart as Excellent. Right here on the bottom of the page folks:

http://www.storage.animechaos.com/neogeo/

I took pics of everything, front and back of everything. Got a detailed scan of the top of the cart because there was a crease on top that I told him about. And guess what....I TOOK A PIC OF THE BOARDS INSIDE. Remember these?

ms1chips.jpg


Thats a pic of what he got. He can pop it open and confirm it just fine. Its not faulty in any way, I played the damn thing...duh.

So in the end, this bitch is crying to me conjuring up every possible flaw, possibility, etc. that he can to get his money & game back. No way in hell. I don't give refunds for buyers remorse.

Now this prick is out to tarnish my reputation which was spotless untill this post. He's damn lucky plane tickets to the UK are expensive because I so what to kick his ass right now. :very_ang:

And yes, I did just start collecting back in mid July and bought a huge amount of games. But if I want to get my house by November, the games had to go.
 

evasyar

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hhhmmmmm.....

well division, if this is indeed the pics you sent superpang, its quite hard to tell...

...but if superpang did recieve the pics like this, he should have flagged this as questionable tho, and opt not to go through with the sale... :spock: :spock:
 

Division

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Oh, and there are a few other things I sold without any problems:

2 copies each of KoF 94, 95, 96, 97, 98
KoF 99
KoF 2000
KoF 01
KoF 02
KoF 03
Last Blade
Last Blade II
SS, SS2, SS3, SSIV, SSZ, SSZ0
MSX, MS4, MS5
Double Dragon
Super Spy
Magician Lord
AOII
WH2, WHJet
A complete system with debug bios
and plenty more stuff.


NOT ONE COMPLAINT TILL NOW.

Again, the cart description was perfectly accurate. The game itself played great. I DON'T GIVE REFUNDS FOR BUYERS REMORSE.

And RoT....I showed you the same pic I posted here of the boards inside. What gives? Anyway, not many more pics I can get now can I?
 

evasyar

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division you gotta understand...

those other games you have mentioned is just not high priced items like MS1. MS1 is almost the holly grail of neo geo aes carts, high priced, heavily under scrutiny if one goes up for sale. suprepang prolly just making sure that he is completely satisfied with his item...
 

evil wasabi

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Division said:
NOT ONE COMPLAINT TILL NOW.

Again, the cart description was perfectly accurate. The game itself played great. I DON'T GIVE REFUNDS FOR BUYERS REMORSE.

Will you chill out.

Superpang, anyway you're comfortable taking pics of the boards yourself?

Only reason is divisions board pics could've easily come from anywhere. Put a piece of paper with Division on it and THAT makes it a good pic. Adding a digital watermark doesn't do much besides stop others from using that pic.
 

NeoCverA

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Seems like a lot of emphasis was put in defending the cart condition but the complaint is more towards the functionality of the cart and the concern of it being a conversion.

seems to me those are the issues that should be more focused on.
 

Dallas_Five

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lithy said:
Only reason is divisions board pics could've easily come from anywhere. Put a piece of paper with Division on it and THAT makes it a good pic. Adding a digital watermark doesn't do much besides stop others from using that pic.
exactly.

hey division, where's the pic you posted originally of the cart with the white boards visible? i'd like to see it again.

kthnx.
 
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Division:

Couldnt you post the pics you gave to Superpang at a greater resolution and without all the photoshop tampering?
 

evasyar

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lithy said:
Will you chill out.

Superpang, anyway you're comfortable taking pics of the boards yourself?

Only reason is divisions board pics could've easily come from anywhere. Put a piece of paper with Division on it and THAT makes it a good pic. Adding a digital watermark doesn't do much besides stop others from using that pic.

kinda edging your observations through paranoia arent you? if we are to scrutinized each pic offered as proof, whats the point of online transactions? would you expect division to videotape a footage of him opening up the cart and closing up to the boards just to show authenticity...

division would only do the best he can to offer proof, with resources he has. if after all of divisions efforts superpang still question the authenticity, then he should have backed out of the deal...
 

Division

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Oh I understand MS1 is much higher priced and totally agree. Collectors are going to be much more picky. However, he got what I told him what he was getting. He knew about the thread posted earlier with the "white" boards...I pointed it out to him myself because I didn't want that coming back on me. There was absolutely nothing more I could have done to ensure this guy had all the facts.


Now about the board pics, Lithy does have a point. They could be from anywhere or any game. Well for one if you check the background of the pic you'll notice the bed sheet. Thats the same as with all the pics of my carts, such as the MS1. Here are some examples.

http://www.storage.animechaos.com/neogeo/neo-ms.jpg
(thats the actual metal slug he bought)
http://www.storage.animechaos.com/neogeo/neo-ss5.jpg
http://www.storage.animechaos.com/neogeo/pulstar.jpg
http://www.storage.animechaos.com/neogeo/neo-msx.jpg

Now if I need to prove those pics are mine. How about this. Tell me to take x amount of forks, x amount of spoons, and x amount of knives from my kitchen utensils, arrange them to try and spell a letter or 2 of your choosing, and place them on the bed with the same background. Hopefully that would show its my pics...lol.

Now as for the boards being the SAME GAME. Only superpang can confirm that. At the same time though, he could take a pic of any other game in his library and post it saying "its not the real one!!! omg!!!111!1". So thats up in the air.
 

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Isn't this the cart that J0e Musashi suspected was a conversion?

Since it's defective you may as well crack that fucker open (carefully) and post pics of the boards.

EDIT: It appears as though it was Mystic Flame who suspected it was a conversion. My memory is poisoned by weed.
 
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